Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

So, a ton of my posts were deleted, again?

Interesting.

It's 'cause ya don't watch your fvcking mouth, m8.

Oops. Gone in 3... 2... 1...

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by shuriken

Was Steve Barron a fan?
Burtan a fan of Batman, Nolan for that matter?
Donner a fan of Superman?
Your argument is whack dude.
You don't have to be a fan to "Get It"
Like it helps but isn't necessary.

Barron was a fan of the comic book. Listen to the TMNT 1990 commentary. And no my argument isn't whack. I'm not arguing. However some of the best franchise films being made right now, are being made by people who grew up fans of the franchise. That's all.

[DarkLightDragon]

And my point was being fan isn't a privilege nor a free pass for bad directing, producing, writing, etc. To your credit, it's a nice thought, but certainly not necessary for making a good quality product. Just having a basic understanding of the material you've been tasked to adapt will suffice.

And again, you and many others overestimate how being a "fan" really matters when most of what you want to do will likely get turned down by higher-ups.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

And my point was being fan isn't a privilege nor a free pass for bad directing, producing, writing, etc.

To your credit, it's a nice thought, but certainly not necessary for making a good quality product. Just having a basic understanding of the material you've been tasked to adapt will suffice.

Oh I absolutely agree. And by "fan" I don't necessarily mean die hard fanatic, but the team should have passion for the material they are putting on the screen. Or else the heart and soul has a hard time translating. One of the biggest complaints of TMNT 2014, is that the people who made it don't care about the franchise. So let's get some people in there who do care.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by shuriken

Burtan a fan of Batman, Nolan for that matter?
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i think i remember reading that Nolan wasnt a big fan of Batman when he signed on..it wasnt until his brother gave him a few graphic novels that he really became interested in the story



and honestly i feel being a fan is actually almost as bad if you are directing

just cause you are a fan doesnt mean you can direct properly( i know i wouldnt be able to)

also you would still have to follow rules, limits and guidelines and your passions for the franchise may actually hinder you in the long run

[Powder]

Real fans are too biased/invested to be right for such high positions. They should be brought in as consultants, but not have power over an entire crew.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

i think i remember reading that Nolan wasnt a big fan of Batman when he signed on..it wasnt until his brother gave him a few graphic novels that he really became interested in the story



and honestly i feel being a fan is actually almost as bad if you are directing

just cause you are a fan doesnt mean you can direct properly( i know i wouldnt be able to)

also you would still have to follow rules, limits and guidelines and your passions for the franchise may actually hinder you in the long run

Well, I was never implying that just being a fan means you can write and direct.

You do bring up a good point with Nolan. True, maybe he wasn't a die hard fan when he was looking into the project, but after reading the graphic novels and researching the source material, he became a fan. At least enough of a fan to say "Hey this is something I want to be attached to for years and bring to life on the screen authentically." Whereas, if he had read those books and said, "Batman is really stupid, I'm going to change the origin and alter it and get rid of all the stuff I don't like", he wouldn't have been the right writer and director for the job. So my point is simply, you DO have to be a fan of what you are working on. Whether you started as a fan or you became a fan through the pre-production process.

I'm sure Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver weren't die hard Jurassic Park and Planet of the Apes fanatics their whole lives. However, when given the opportunity to write the reboots, they grew a passion for the originals and were able to write the scripts with a true heart and compassion for the original source material. So they were fans. Maybe not to the degree that some of us are on this forum, but fans enough to know what matters and deliver. If they weren't, they would have denied the offer and would have taken other career moves instead. This was clearly not the case with TMNT 2014. They hated the origin. They hated the ninja element. They hated Hamato Yoshi. So they tried to shoehorn the turtles into the movie they wanted to make, and the result was a mess.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by Powder

Real fans are too biased/invested to be right for such high positions. They should be brought in as consultants, but not have power over an entire crew.

Pretty much what I've been trying to get at. Unless the company you work for and entrusted you in such a position are generally lax with mandates and restrictions, you're not always going to do what you want.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It's 'cause ya don't watch your fvcking mouth, m8.

Oops. Gone in 3... 2... 1...

Not this time - and right after I potted the seasons first plant.

Apparently discussing the quality of CG in the trailer, isn't talking about the trailer. Perhaps I need to drop it down to the level we're all accustomed again?

Ga..ga..goo... and stuff.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

Well, I was never implying that just being a fan means you can write and direct.

You do bring up a good point with Nolan. True, maybe he wasn't a die hard fan when he was looking into the project, but after reading the graphic novels and researching the source material, he became a fan. At least enough of a fan to say "Hey this is something I want to be attached to for years and bring to life on the screen authentically." Whereas, if he had read those books and said, "Batman is really stupid, I'm going to change the origin and alter it and get rid of all the stuff I don't like", he wouldn't have been the right writer and director for the job. So my point is simply, you DO have to be a fan of what you are working on. Whether you started as a fan or you became a fan through the pre-production process.
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but then it comes down to what are you using to describe fan?

by how you are describing it, you could say i should direct the next Alvin in the chipmunks movie, since my only enjoyment of them was 1987 The Chipmunk Adventure,i love that movie..it hits me right in the childhood

i enjoyed it and i respect the franchise..but i haven't watched or been interested in anything chipmunks since.

Nolan may have enjoyed the comics at the time, but i don't consider him a "Fan" in terms of what you are trying to explain, Just someone who respected the source material enough to want to do it justice ...i wouldnt be surprised if he hasnt read a batman comic since

but also remember he was an established Director first..something turtles is lacking right now


thats what any movie needs..action,romace,comedy,whatever..and its not just Bats...i am Sure theres many Marvel areas where directors ,maybe even actors and writers, never picked up an issue pass their research for a project..and nothing wrong with that..i just wouldn't consider them a "fan" in the long run

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

but then it comes down to what are you using to describe fan?

by how you are describing it, you could say i should direct the next Alvin in the chipmunks movie, since my only enjoyment of them was 1987 The Chipmunk Adventure,i love that movie..it hits me right in the childhood

i enjoyed it and i respect the franchise..but i haven't watched or been interested in anything chipmunks since.

Nolan may have enjoyed the comics at the time, but i don't consider him a "Fan" in terms of what you are trying to explain, Just someone who respected the source material enough to want to do it justice ...i wouldnt be surprised if he hasnt read a batman comic since

but also remember he was an established Director first..something turtles is lacking right now


thats what any movie needs..action,romace,comedy,whatever..and its not just Bats...i am Sure theres many Marvel areas where directors ,maybe even actors and writers, never picked up an issue pass their research for a project..and nothing wrong with that..i just wouldn't consider them a "fan" in the long run

Yeah, maybe the word "fan" is a strong word. I just mean talented writers, directors, and producers who love the source material enough that they are willing to put in the time, effort, and research to create a film that stays true to the franchise and do it justice. There is so much information out there now because of the internet, including detailed things that hardcore fans want, that there really is no excuse to make a bad movie that's based on a popular franchise. But if they hate what they are writing, they will turn their noses up to it.

[Etsyturtle2]

I liked this trailer a lot. I couldn't care less about quality.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

I couldn't care less about quality.

Your attempts at trolling make that abundantly clear.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

I liked this trailer a lot. I couldn't care less about quality.

By "quality" what do you mean?

To be honest, I really liked the trailer too. It was very well put together and showed everything that I'm sure casual fans of the 80s and kids wanted to see. It doesn't mean that the movie is going to be good or that I like the look of the turtles or anything, but the marketing department did a good job putting together the trailer. I'm just concerned that the trailer may not represent what the movie really is. It's a good trailer, even if the movie turns out to be crap

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

By "quality" what do you mean?

To be honest, I really liked the trailer too. It was very well put together and showed everything that I'm sure casual fans of the 80s and kids wanted to see. It doesn't mean that the movie is going to be good or that I like the look of the turtles or anything, but the marketing department did a good job putting together the trailer. I'm just concerned that the trailer may not represent what the movie really is. It's a good trailer, even if the movie turns out to be crap

I do think they have listened to a lot of the issues fans had with the last one. And seem to at least be steering it it a better direction. The trailer did a great job of hyping this movie. I thought tone-ally it was better then the last one. I love earth to echo it was very good and I think he will do a great job on the next movie.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

I do think they have listened to a lot of the issues fans had with the last one. And seem to at least be steering it it a better direction. The trailer did a great job of hyping this movie. I thought tone-ally it was better then the last one. I love earth to echo it was very good and I think he will do a great job on the next movie.

Yeah, Earth to Echo didn't take the world by storm but it got better reviews than any of Liebesman's previous movies. I don't know if they necessarily listened to fan issues as much as they listened to critics and general audiences. However, I agree that it definitely feels more like Ninja Turtles than the last one and people on the internet liked the trailer for the most part. I'm really hoping they made a better film this time. However, a lot of hardcore fans are still scarred from the last flick which means this film will have to be extraordinary to make up for it. I'll definitely see it but I'm not nearly as excited as I was last time around.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

The trailer did a great job of hyping this movie.

thats literally what trailers are supposed to do

no matter the quality of the movie


most if not all bad movies still have great trailers

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

I liked this trailer a lot. I couldn't care less about quality.

You just doomed the third film to low poly count and 1960s film image clarity. Good job.

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

Yeah, Earth to Echo didn't take the world by storm but it got better reviews than any of Liebesman's previous movies.

I watched Earth to Echo after Green was announced. Fun little movie! Definitely better than anything from Liebesman's work. Green nailed the old Amblin vibe that Abrams seemed so desperate to hit with Super 8.

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I'm really hoping they made a better film this time. However, a lot of hardcore fans are still scarred from the last flick which means this film will have to be extraordinary to make up for it. I'll definitely see it but I'm not nearly as excited as I was last time around.

Same here, though the trailer and discussion on the firmer grasp of tone seem like good signs to me. Careful with that optimism, though. The forum regulars don't seem to take well to it.

[Etsyturtle2]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

You just doomed the third film to low poly count and 1960s film image clarity. Good job.

Originally Posted by sethmartin

By "quality" what do you mean?

To be honest, I really liked the trailer too. It was very well put together and showed everything that I'm sure casual fans of the 80s and kids wanted to see. It doesn't mean that the movie is going to be good or that I like the look of the turtles or anything, but the marketing department did a good job putting together the trailer. I'm just concerned that the trailer may not represent what the movie really is. It's a good trailer, even if the movie turns out to be crap

Originally Posted by Powder

Your attempts at trolling make that abundantly clear.

I messed it up. Whatever. I couldn't care less about mistakes.