Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[CyberCubed]

The movie will be good.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The movie will be good.

strike that - the movie will be AWESOME!!!

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I hate you guys.

But we luuuuuuuuuuv youuuuuuuuuu!

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by myconius

strike that - the movie will be AWESOME!!!

Yes, but in the traditional sense of the word.

[Commenter 42]

I think to be fair, we're all suffering the effects of confirmation bias; some more than others.

I am willing to put money on my prediction, but I'm also confident that no matter what anyone says, some folks just won't eat crow.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yes, but in the traditional sense of the word.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I think you may want to re-read your response. The inference was clear, and you're intentionally being obstinate.

Sorry, my dance cards full.

No I'm not, dude. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That cops' opinions are allowed to be considered fact? That they get a free pass to do what other people can't? I mean, the latter seems to totally be true in their case, but again, it doesn't make sense given the context, so I have no idea what you're even trying to say.

[Commenter 42]

As a professional, one has more insight than the layperson, and might be more critical of the work of other professionals.
Swap Cop for Lawyer, Baker or Candlestick maker, if that suits your sensibilities more.
Film is a business that requires skilled labor, the quality of which can, and should be quantified.

Hope that clears things up.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Shirley, you can't be serious.

[Commenter 42]

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

As a professional, one has more insight than the layperson, and might be more critical of the work of other professionals.
Swap Cop for Lawyer, Baker or Candlestick maker, if that suits your sensibilities more.
Film is a business that requires skilled labor, the quality of which can, and should be quantified.

Hope that clears things up.

It still doesn't seem like a very good comparison since law enforcement and film are so different, as film is more of an art... in which case, a better comparison would probably be something more like chef? But once I've got that cleared up, I think I'm confident in saying, yeah, I'd still tell you the same thing. I don't really know what that MEANS, though. :V

I don't have anything against you, I'm just informing you that your post got me really worked up. I'm still pretty worked up, but also a bit mentally exhausted at the moment.

[Krutch]

Not to butt in here, but since I also referenced working in film, it still feels directed at me as well.

We're just critiquing the craftsmanship behind the movie, having hands on experience to compare it to. Our opinion on if the movie is enjoyable is no more correct than yours. But as far as the work put into it, we may just have a more firm understanding of what we're seeing than most. Saying we work in film doesn't give our opinion any more credibility than anyone else. But as far as the ins and outs of what comprises the product... we may have an edge on what we're talking about

But speaking of opinions, I find it very revealing that you don't like Superman yet love Man of Steel. That almost goes with my opinion that they didn't get Superman right at all What about Man of Steel did you like that separated it from the rest of Superman stuff that you couldn't get into?

[Slade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-...ature=youtu.be



Saw this on another forum, I thought it was interesting, while being a little too informative may be the word. I'm sure SOME of you would just love to tear it apart and say how WRONG it is though..

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Slade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-...ature=youtu.be



Saw this on another forum, I thought it was interesting, while being a little too informative may be the word. I'm sure SOME of you would just love to tear it apart and say how WRONG it is though..

Superman wasn't created to be a Christian Allegory, the creators were Jewish, for a start. Secondly, superimposing jesus was one of the biggest issues I had with the film; there may be parallels, as most hero myths have strong parallels, but that doesn't mean he's automatically a space Jesus. He could be a space Horus, a space Krishna, a space Dionysus, or even a space Odysseus.

I'd mentioned this before; Jesus is Jesus, Superman is Superman; don't be lazy (speaking to Snyder et al. not yourself).

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Superman wasn't created to be a Christian Allegory, the creators were Jewish, for a start. Secondly, superimposing jesus was one of the biggest issues I had with the film; there may be parallels, as most hero myths have strong parallels, but that doesn't mean he's automatically a space Jesus. He could be a space Horus, a space Krishna, a space Dionysus, or even a space Odysseus.

I'd mentioned this before; Jesus is Jesus, Superman is Superman; don't be lazy (speaking to Snyder et al. not yourself).

Except that he's kind of Space Moses.

[Slade]

Yeah I thought it was more interesting with the parallels to child birth.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Not to butt in here, but since I also referenced working in film, it still feels directed at me as well.

We're just critiquing the craftsmanship behind the movie, having hands on experience to compare it to. Our opinion on if the movie is enjoyable is no more correct than yours. But as far as the work put into it, we may just have a more firm understanding of what we're seeing than most. Saying we work in film doesn't give our opinion any more credibility than anyone else. But as far as the ins and outs of what comprises the product... we may have an edge on what we're talking about

Butt in all you like, I don't mind, your response was easy for me to get.

Yeah, see, I'm talking more about opinions than the technical structure of the movie, I guess, if my wording makes any sense. In this thread, it really feels like the people that didn't like MoS keep trying to sway the ones that DO like it into admitting it's terrible. Like. That just really rubs me the wrong way. Just because someone likes a clearly flawed work doesn't give anyone, film industry or not, the right to shove in their faces just how flawed it is, when the information was never asked for. When we feel like digesting that information, we seek it out.

Idk, I say "we" and even though I'm not emotionally invested in the topic of Superman, I know others here probably are. It's just an unnecessarily aggressive way of going about things. I know it couldn't feel great, because I experience much the same way because I like a LOT of clearly flawed and very "inferior" work [my interest in dubbed anime particularly gets people's goats] and it makes me feel isolated and lonely. I'm sure it can't be an intention, but that's definitely how that kind of attitude comes across to some people and should be noted when you're trying to speak about your experience. [I'm not necessarily speaking to you at all or just you or anything btw, I'm just using a general "you"]

Originally Posted by Krutch

But speaking of opinions, I find it very revealing that you don't like Superman yet love Man of Steel. That almost goes with my opinion that they didn't get Superman right at all What about Man of Steel did you like that separated it from the rest of Superman stuff that you couldn't get into?

A combination of factors, really. Superman is a comics-based franchise and I don't really do western comics very much, and that topic by itself is a whole discussion of its own that I'm open to talking about, but here may not be the best place for it. The other main reason is the only big exposure to the character I've had was from the cartoons, which I remember being good, just not entertaining. They didn't really grab my attention but I didn't have anything against them either.

In Man of Steel they very well could have ****ed up Superman's character, and I don't know enough about him in other media to really say, but what I saw I liked because it made him feel more... real, I guess? They presented the character in a way that made me give a **** about HIM, for the first time pretty much ever, for me. Maybe I'm just the sort of person it was meant to appeal to.

[Commenter 42]

MOS superman was almost the antithesis of who Superman has always been. The characterization was of an angry, petulant brat, who would do something great, then mope about because he's different. Superman isn't meant to be just like us with superpowers, he's what we aspire to be; Many people, especially today, love to see only themselves on the screen, and only that reflected. I would argue, there's something to be said for a hero to look up to, instead of across from.

They played the martyr card too, which I find deeply disturbing. Superman typically isn't looking for gratitude, helping others because he can; he's selfless, not selfish.

Add to that the slanted view of science as evil sprinkled throughout the film...it's almost unconscionable.

I'm not sure how to address Netkeeper's post. I think I'll leave that to Krutch, except to say that Filmmaking is very similar to a Magic, once you learn how the trick was done, you'll never watch it the same way again, nor ever again experience that specific magic. It's this trade off that gives the filmmaker a different viewpoint, one might even argue, a more informed opinion.

If you can't reconcile that, I can't help you.

[Turo602]

After reading a lot of these posts, I can definitely see why Leo had an outburst.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm done with this thread, but I came across an extremely detailed article on Forbes regarding this and I figured, what the hell, I'll drop it in as an epilogue.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhugh.../#1bc6ea6770bb

If anything, this whole thread has given me a slight twinge of sympathy for the Platinum Dunes TMNT fans, and their franchise is inarguably and explicitly garbage... but whaddaya gonna do.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Slade

Yeah I thought it was more interesting with the parallels to child birth.

You're going to force me to sit through the whole video then? lol...
ok...fine.

@Cylon ok bye bye then!