Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Page 2

*Krutch* · 02-23-2016, 07:29 AM

*gasp* Is that another female lead?!

I'm sure this will be fun. I don't mind these little one-off adventure movies so long as they leave the Episodic movies alone. I really wish they'd drop this Han Solo movie thing.

A Boba Fett movie about him hunting down bounties would be cool.

A kids movie about a youngling going through Jedi academy could be fun if done right.

I don't know. Its a big fun universe to play in. And they can't avoid the prequels forever. There's a huge chunk of the audience that grew up with those movies and like them more than the OT.

*ProactiveMan* · 02-23-2016, 08:06 AM

The movie will probably be fine, but that image doesn't do anything for me. A lot of people were griping about The Force Awakens feeling like a big budget fan film; I don't agree, but that image of Rouge One looks like a fan film... or a SyFy original show: The Adventures of Drab Squad in the Olive Green Dimension.

It is just a still however, so I'm not going to read too much into it at this stage.

*Foombamaroom* · 02-23-2016, 11:20 AM

Rogue One's the only one of the spin-off's I'm actually excited for. I'm a huge Star Wars fan who's dived into the EU more than most, so it makes me sad that they haven't thought of an Old Republic movie. Hell, MULTIPLE Old Republic movies would be great. With them making everything before Phantom Menace non-canon, it doesn't make sense for them NOT to do 'prequels to the prequels.'

*snake* · 02-23-2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

Rogue One's the only one of the spin-off's I'm actually excited for. I'm a huge Star Wars fan who's dived into the EU more than most, so it makes me sad that they haven't thought of an Old Republic movie. Hell, MULTIPLE Old Republic movies would be great. With them making everything before Phantom Menace non-canon, it doesn't make sense for them NOT to do 'prequels to the prequels.'

C'mon man, you KNOW an Old Republic trilogy is in the works. It's too popular for it to not happen.

*snake* · 02-23-2016, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Except the movies are the real deal. The cartoons and crap don't really matter. Especially when the movies just carry on and don't acknowledge them, nor does one have to watch every episode of the Clone Wars before watching The Force Awakens. This movie series didn't need spin-offs, plain and simple. It's a trilogy. With a prequel trilogy. And now a sequel trilogy. Don't tarnish that with needless spin-offs that risk bombing or making people get sick of the franchise.

I think when you bring back Darth Maul or give Anakin a padawan they do start to matter.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-23-2016, 04:57 PM

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I think when you bring back Darth Maul or give Anakin a padawan they do start to matter.

In the actual movies or what? And also why give Anakin a padawan when nothing is hinted to him every having one in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. It's stupid. Even in Revenge of the Sith, he looked nowhere ready to be training anyone.

I know Star Wars is big, but a lot of movies get comics and cartoons and whatnot. Then the next movie comes out and ignores all that and continues right after the previous movie left off.

Small example. Ghostbusters. Cartoons and comics. Then came Ghostbusters 2. Completely ignores anything that happened in the cartoons and comics and continues after the first movie left off.

*NinjaPug* · 02-23-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I know Star Wars is big, but a lot of movies get comics and cartoons and whatnot. Then the next movie comes out and ignores all that and continues right after the previous movie left off.

Small example. Ghostbusters. Cartoons and comics. Then came Ghostbusters 2. Completely ignores anything that happened in the cartoons and comics and continues after the first movie left off.

This is why Lucasfilm started the Story Group. Everything counts and isn't contradicted by the movies.

*CyberCubed* · 02-23-2016, 07:01 PM

The thing is you can ignore everything but the main movies if you really want to, but by watching the spinoffs it adds to the universe. Not to mention it doesn't really matter.

How many people never read the old expanded universe in the 90's and 2000's but watched the movies? Countless people, so what's the difference now?

*ProactiveMan* · 02-23-2016, 07:04 PM

Nothing counts any more. These movies are all being written and directed by cranky old Star Wars fans, and as far as I can tell, they all hate the prequels.

A lot of them seem to dislike Return of the Jedi too, which is a little distressing to me, but what'ch gonna do?

*CyberCubed* · 02-23-2016, 07:06 PM

Star Wars is basically "pick your own canon."

You can watch/read whatever you want and ignore whatever you want.

*Coola Yagami* · 02-23-2016, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The thing is you can ignore everything but the main movies if you really want to, but by watching the spinoffs it adds to the universe. Not to mention it doesn't really matter.

How many people never read the old expanded universe in the 90's and 2000's but watched the movies? Countless people, so what's the difference now?

Because everyone seems to make such a big deal out of it now, or get all upset if someone dare says said comic book isn't canon with the movies. It kinda wasn't like that before. Again, Ghostbusters. People liked the movie and the cartoon. Noone got upset that Ghostbusters 2 completely ignored the cartoon.

Though I do give credit that they have a studio dedicated to making sure nothing contradicts the movie, even when they really didn't have to.

All I'm saying is noone should have to read a comic or watch a cartoon series to see the movies. We don't need Obi Wan and Anakin to reference some event that only people that read that one comic or that one cartoon episode would understand and leave everyone in the dark. Or have them 'bring back' some cartoon-exclusive character that was never in the movies, leaving half the audience happy, and the other half scratching their heads. As long as they don't pull nonsense like that, then more power to em.

*sdp* · 02-23-2016, 09:25 PM

The new EU of SW is already a small mess and it has only been out for barely a year. The reboot didn't really matter in the end since most of the audience who will buy the new EU is basically the same as the old, casuals who pick up a story here and there and the super hardcore who pick up everything regardless. I already go by the "pick your own canon" route and will continue. Anyone who thinks the EU actually has any say in the movies is lying to themselves.

*CyberCubed* · 02-23-2016, 09:34 PM

Doesn't Han Solo have a black wife in the new comics? All of a sudden we find out Han was married in the middle of Episode 4-5 storywise when there was no mention of her before.

*ProactiveMan* · 02-23-2016, 10:47 PM

You literally cannot pick your own canon; it's a contradiction in terms, so why worry about it. Star Wars is always going to be a mess, because of the sheer volume of content produced. It's a cash cow and they have to feed the machine, but there is no way to produce that much fiction without farming it out to a lot of people, and that makes it very hard to maintain synergy.

*snake* · 02-23-2016, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

Nothing counts any more. These movies are all being written and directed by cranky old Star Wars fans, and as far as I can tell, they all hate the prequels.

A lot of them seem to dislike Return of the Jedi too, which is a little distressing to me, but what'ch gonna do?

Only JJ was an OT pandering purist. Rian likes both trilogies.

*CyberCubed* · 02-23-2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ProactiveMan

You literally cannot pick your own canon; it's a contradiction in terms, so why worry about it. Star Wars is always going to be a mess, because of the sheer volume of content produced. It's a cash cow and they have to feed the machine, but there is no way to produce that much fiction without farming it out to a lot of people, and that makes it very hard to maintain synergy.

Hence why you can pick your own canon.

If you just like the movies, that's all you need to watch and you can ignore everything else. Some people ignore the prequels and pretend they never happened. Hell I'm willing to bet there's some 50+ year old guy out there who hates Episode 7 and doesn't want to admit it exists because Han solo died.

Then there are others who watch the cartoons and comics and take that with the movies. Some ignore the cartoons and only read the comics. Some will like this new movie and the other spinoffs and others not.

Star Wars is "pick your own canon." You don't have to watch/read all of it.

*ProactiveMan* · 02-23-2016, 11:18 PM

You can do that, and it's a good idea... but it's not canon by definition.

*NinjaPug* · 02-23-2016, 11:29 PM

You can pick what you watch or read but you can't determine what is or isn't canon. It doesn't matter if you like something or not - it's still a part of canon.

*Foombamaroom* · 02-23-2016, 11:35 PM

I haven't really dived into the comics because they've added a bunch of unnecessary plotholes (Luke having a confrontation with Vader, Han being married etc.).

I get that these things 'are' canon, but I just don't like to think about them too much. It just makes me get more frustrated at Disney than I should be.

*sdp* · 02-23-2016, 11:42 PM

You guys are missing the point he's trying to make. Not even hardcore SW fans have read all of the old EU and few have read all of the new EU, there's so much media released that it's basically impossible. Everyone chooses to enjoy what they want. Many will continue to enjoy and love the stories that they like and ignore the rest. Hell many have chosen to not care for the new EU and enjoy the old one since there's still so much to consume from it. I personally will continue reading the best SW stories out there regardless of it being old or new EU and enjoy them, of course if they outright contradict a new movie I won't fit it in my headcanon or find a clever way to make it fit in but when you have a bunch of books/stories that will never be contradicted that are great why worry about it?

I and many people take the same approach when reading comics, I mean what is canon in Marvel/DC? Not even the writers seem to know.

02-23-2016, 08:06 AM	#22
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	The movie will probably be fine, but that image doesn't do anything for me. A lot of people were griping about The Force Awakens feeling like a big budget fan film; I don't agree, but that image of Rouge One looks like a fan film... or a SyFy original show: The Adventures of Drab Squad in the Olive Green Dimension. It is just a still however, so I'm not going to read too much into it at this stage. __________________ ProactiveMan!

02-23-2016, 07:04 PM	#29
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	Nothing counts any more. These movies are all being written and directed by cranky old Star Wars fans, and as far as I can tell, they all hate the prequels. A lot of them seem to dislike Return of the Jedi too, which is a little distressing to me, but what'ch gonna do? __________________ ProactiveMan!

02-23-2016, 09:25 PM	#32
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	The new EU of SW is already a small mess and it has only been out for barely a year. The reboot didn't really matter in the end since most of the audience who will buy the new EU is basically the same as the old, casuals who pick up a story here and there and the super hardcore who pick up everything regardless. I already go by the "pick your own canon" route and will continue. Anyone who thinks the EU actually has any say in the movies is lying to themselves. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

02-23-2016, 10:47 PM	#34
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	You literally cannot pick your own canon; it's a contradiction in terms, so why worry about it. Star Wars is always going to be a mess, because of the sheer volume of content produced. It's a cash cow and they have to feed the machine, but there is no way to produce that much fiction without farming it out to a lot of people, and that makes it very hard to maintain synergy. __________________ ProactiveMan!

02-23-2016, 11:18 PM	#37
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	You can do that, and it's a good idea... but it's not canon by definition. __________________ ProactiveMan!

02-23-2016, 07:29 AM	#21
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	gasp Is that another female lead?! I'm sure this will be fun. I don't mind these little one-off adventure movies so long as they leave the Episodic movies alone. I really wish they'd drop this Han Solo movie thing. A Boba Fett movie about him hunting down bounties would be cool. A kids movie about a youngling going through Jedi academy could be fun if done right. I don't know. Its a big fun universe to play in. And they can't avoid the prequels forever. There's a huge chunk of the audience that grew up with those movies and like them more than the OT.

02-23-2016, 11:20 AM	#23
Foombamaroom Lord of Cinder Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,646	Rogue One's the only one of the spin-off's I'm actually excited for. I'm a huge Star Wars fan who's dived into the EU more than most, so it makes me sad that they haven't thought of an Old Republic movie. Hell, MULTIPLE Old Republic movies would be great. With them making everything before Phantom Menace non-canon, it doesn't make sense for them NOT to do 'prequels to the prequels.'

02-23-2016, 07:01 PM	#28
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	The thing is you can ignore everything but the main movies if you really want to, but by watching the spinoffs it adds to the universe. Not to mention it doesn't really matter. How many people never read the old expanded universe in the 90's and 2000's but watched the movies? Countless people, so what's the difference now?

02-23-2016, 07:06 PM	#30
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	Star Wars is basically "pick your own canon." You can watch/read whatever you want and ignore whatever you want.

02-23-2016, 09:34 PM	#33
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	Doesn't Han Solo have a black wife in the new comics? All of a sudden we find out Han was married in the middle of Episode 4-5 storywise when there was no mention of her before.

02-23-2016, 11:29 PM	#38
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	You can pick what you watch or read but you can't determine what is or isn't canon. It doesn't matter if you like something or not - it's still a part of canon.

02-23-2016, 11:35 PM	#39
Foombamaroom Lord of Cinder Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 1,646	I haven't really dived into the comics because they've added a bunch of unnecessary plotholes (Luke having a confrontation with Vader, Han being married etc.). I get that these things 'are' canon, but I just don't like to think about them too much. It just makes me get more frustrated at Disney than I should be.

02-23-2016, 11:42 PM	#40
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	You guys are missing the point he's trying to make. Not even hardcore SW fans have read all of the old EU and few have read all of the new EU, there's so much media released that it's basically impossible. Everyone chooses to enjoy what they want. Many will continue to enjoy and love the stories that they like and ignore the rest. Hell many have chosen to not care for the new EU and enjoy the old one since there's still so much to consume from it. I personally will continue reading the best SW stories out there regardless of it being old or new EU and enjoy them, of course if they outright contradict a new movie I won't fit it in my headcanon or find a clever way to make it fit in but when you have a bunch of books/stories that will never be contradicted that are great why worry about it? I and many people take the same approach when reading comics, I mean what is canon in Marvel/DC? Not even the writers seem to know. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server