What do you consider the first "modern" superhero movie? - Page 3

*CyberCubed* · 03-12-2016, 11:39 PM

Its a shame the young punk kids of today have no respect for the classics. Why back in my day we didn't have explosions every 5 seconds and characters leaping 100 feet into the air destroying buildings and smashing each others faces in with special effects, we had GOOD storytelling with well done characterisation and enjoyable high emotionally charged writing.

The kids of today need to be educated on the classics and brought up to speed.

*Spike Spiegel* · 03-12-2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its a shame the young punk kids of today have no respect for the classics. Why back in my day we didn't have explosions every 5 seconds and characters leaping 100 feet into the air destroying buildings and smashing each others faces in with special effects, we had GOOD storytelling with well done characterisation and enjoyable high emotionally charged writing.

The kids of today need to be educated on the classics and brought up to speed.

Not sure if you're trolling or not.

It's good to know there are a few things on this forum that never change

*chrisdude* · 03-13-2016, 01:17 AM

Superman: The Movie is beyond reproach. But modern? I dunno. As crazy as it sounds, the gap between the Superman movies and Batman movies is really about a small as the gap between the Batman movies and the X-Men movies.

Maybe we should draw the line at reboots? Like Batman Begins. As for answering the question,I feel like the MCU defintely ushered in an era. So I'll have to say Iron Man.

And Cubed, I feel your pain. One of my best friends turned off Superman: The Movie, because he thought it was too slow. He just never finished it. Huge nerd, this guy. We go see comic book movies all the time. Breaks my heart.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-13-2016, 04:56 AM

Well, my girl is younger than me by a few years. She can't be bothered with most CBMs today - and I can't really blame her. Most are style over substance, and as Cubed said, not good stories. Then again, kids today seem to only want hype, BVS being the perfect example. It's about quotable lines and memes.

So she sat through most of MOS, and endured my little tirade after the screening when it was released. I was pissed. "It's all wrong!" I stammered. "they blew it! it's legitimately stupid."

"Superman's stupid though, right?" Her words like knives, "It's silly, just nonsense...". she continued, but I couldn't hear it.

"It's not Superman." I said evenly. "I know you don't read comics, but you remember the original, right? Christopher Reeve"

"Of course I do, but it's pretty old. Kevin Spacey was good but it was boring too. I honestly don't know why you even care! "

I let it go... disillusioned in my life partner, but too exhausted to try to explain. It was late, and we both had an early morning.

A few weeks later, I come home to find her on the couch, watching a movie.
She takes no notice as I hang up my jacket, but a familiar sound hits my ears...

"You're right" she says.

"About?"

"Say Jim, WOOOOO!" "s'cuse me."
The TV interjects..."That's a bad outfit!"

I smile.

"Everything, as usual" She says. "I'd never watched the original. He has so much charisma. This is completely different, and I get it now. People today, they're not like that. They're not kind or sincere. You really believe he's Superman."

"Easy Ms, I've got you"

She hugs me tight. "He reminds me of someone..."

"You've got me; whose got you?"

"Yeah, they cast that other actor because he looked a bit like...."

"No. I mean you."

Boom. a huge compliment. I think of the Indy scene with the grail. No ones ever compared me to Superman; pretty sure they never will again.

Point is, Superman 78 is the Nexus; remove that touchstone and you never get Batman 89, and you sure as hell don't get Spider-man from Ramis.

I would argue that without the huge success of those three films, no one would have considered venturing out to any of what followed. CBM's would still be considered MOW's, and Marvel and DC would likely be changed entirely, possibly dead.

All of that said, it was Iron Man that was proof of concept of a blockbuster based on a comic book with no track record in hollywood. If anything, it's success kicked off the race to a cinematic universe.

*Turo602* · 03-13-2016, 05:23 AM

What are we doing now, fanfics?

~~Amaranthus~~ · 03-13-2016, 05:32 AM

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This is why I love you.

*Blushes heavily*

*Coola Yagami* · 03-13-2016, 09:44 AM

I'd say Iron Man and Batman Begins. Especially Iron Man given that the series still continues today and isn't being rebooted. I mean, technically speaking the avengers movies and civil war are pretty much iron man (and anyone else) sequels.

*sdp* · 03-13-2016, 12:26 PM

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The kids of today need to be educated on the classics and brought up to speed.

Did you watch all the B&W Batman and Superman serials before watching any of the "classic" versions? Guess you weren't educated or brought to speed either.

*CyberCubed* · 03-13-2016, 01:26 PM

No, but I did watch 60's Batman.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-13-2016, 01:33 PM

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Did you watch all the B&W Batman and Superman serials before watching any of the "classic" versions? Guess you weren't educated or brought to speed either.

And gun toting Captain America

*Spike Spiegel* · 03-13-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

No, but I did watch 60's Batman.

That show was apparently meant to be a kind of parody of those old serials. I tried watching it, but it quickly loses its charm after season one.

The Shelley Winters episode in season 2 is what made me quit watching entirely.

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And gun toting Captain America

I think Batman carried a gun in his early comic book appearances. I really like this Bruce Timm version of Golden Age Bats:

*CyberCubed* · 03-13-2016, 02:27 PM

Man I forgot about that short. Was it ever released to DVD?

*Candy Kappa* · 03-13-2016, 02:42 PM

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I think Batman carried a gun in his early comic book appearances.

He did, even killed with guns. But it didn't last too long.

But the Live-Action Captain America 1944 serial, though. Cap didn't use his shield but a gun instead, since using Captain America was a later addition to the show.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 03-13-2016, 08:56 PM

What, no love for Howard?! What about Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD?! I know they were kind of campy but they both introduced aspects of the Marvel comics that haven't been touched since. Madame Viper, LMD's, the Nexus, etc.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-14-2016, 07:05 AM

Howard was a disaster, though. Sure it was Marvel's first proper feature film, but it had so many problems during production, it was super expensive and just a hot mess. But it did give us Pixar, so there's that I guess.

Nick Fury was just a D2V movie, campy fun. But nothing game changing for Superhero movies.

*Krutch* · 03-14-2016, 07:20 AM

Y'know, I kinda want to throw in Batman & Robin and maybe Catwoman as honorable mentions for important steps in the genre. They pretty much served as blueprints on how not to do superheroes. And if B&R didn't go so far into toy selling camp fare as it did, WB might not have been so willing to go completely in the other direction to distance themselves from it with Batman Begins.

*Spike Spiegel* · 03-14-2016, 07:34 AM

What would have happened if Superman Returns was a reboot instead of a pseudo-sequel?

Maybe we might have have gotten something like BvS a lot sooner.

*chrisdude* · 03-14-2016, 11:03 AM

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What would have happened if Superman Returns was a reboot instead of a pseudo-sequel?

Maybe we might have have gotten something like BvS a lot sooner.

I think there were whispers of it. There was a reference to Gotham City in Returns. And there was that Batman Superman sign in I Am Legend. And they were, after all, introduced back to back. They could've beaten Marvel to the cinematic universe.

*shuriken* · 03-14-2016, 11:45 AM

Pretty interesting topic. I'd say that Superhero movies have waves that they go in. The First truly significant Superhero movie has to be Superman (1978 ).
It was successful and it saw superheroes in a positive and somewhat serious light. Robocop (87), The punisher (89), Batman (89), TMNT(90), The Crow(94) sort of kept that serious tone with varying degrees of success.
Steel(97), Judge Dredd (95), Batman and Robin(97) and Spawn (97) sort of killed a lot of the momentum that Superhero movies had going for it, and even though Blade(98 ) was good, the fact that it was Rated R hurt it's chances for being as big of a success as it should have been.
(1978-1994)
The second wave of it would have to be the Spider-man (2002). Yeah X-men came before it, but they were sort of embarrassed about it's roots (All leather outfits, unnecessary redesigns, poking fun at the comics themselves). Spider-man embraced the campiness, but still told an entertaining and somewhat serious story that captured the audience in a way that Superman did, 24 years prior. Spider-man brought in a boom period that sort of fizzled in 2007 with Fantastic four 2 and Spider-man 3.

3rd wave would have to be Iron Man and The Dark Knight movies both released in 2008. Said movies have influenced both of the studious backing both DC based movies and Marvel based movies ever since. So I'd say our "Modern Superhero movies" started in 2008. The Dark Knight was a game changer in a lot of ways (not all of them good) in and of itself. Since then every year has essentially had a Superhero movie released.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 03-15-2016, 09:01 PM

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Howard was a disaster, though. Sure it was Marvel's first proper feature film, but it had so many problems during production, it was super expensive and just a hot mess. But it did give us Pixar, so there's that I guess.

Nick Fury was just a D2V movie, campy fun. But nothing game changing for Superhero movies.

True on both counts. However, both proved that even less well-known characters could carry a movie- a fact that helped lead to Ant-Man and GotG being made. Which might explain the Howard cameo at the end of GotG. Point is, they were among the earliest super hero movies, and deserve recognition for that if nothing else.

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03-14-2016, 11:45 AM	#59
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	Pretty interesting topic. I'd say that Superhero movies have waves that they go in. The First truly significant Superhero movie has to be Superman (1978 ). It was successful and it saw superheroes in a positive and somewhat serious light. Robocop (87), The punisher (89), Batman (89), TMNT(90), The Crow(94) sort of kept that serious tone with varying degrees of success. Steel(97), Judge Dredd (95), Batman and Robin(97) and Spawn (97) sort of killed a lot of the momentum that Superhero movies had going for it, and even though Blade(98 ) was good, the fact that it was Rated R hurt it's chances for being as big of a success as it should have been. (1978-1994) The second wave of it would have to be the Spider-man (2002). Yeah X-men came before it, but they were sort of embarrassed about it's roots (All leather outfits, unnecessary redesigns, poking fun at the comics themselves). Spider-man embraced the campiness, but still told an entertaining and somewhat serious story that captured the audience in a way that Superman did, 24 years prior. Spider-man brought in a boom period that sort of fizzled in 2007 with Fantastic four 2 and Spider-man 3. 3rd wave would have to be Iron Man and The Dark Knight movies both released in 2008. Said movies have influenced both of the studious backing both DC based movies and Marvel based movies ever since. So I'd say our "Modern Superhero movies" started in 2008. The Dark Knight was a game changer in a lot of ways (not all of them good) in and of itself. Since then every year has essentially had a Superhero movie released. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

03-12-2016, 11:39 PM	#41
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Its a shame the young punk kids of today have no respect for the classics. Why back in my day we didn't have explosions every 5 seconds and characters leaping 100 feet into the air destroying buildings and smashing each others faces in with special effects, we had GOOD storytelling with well done characterisation and enjoyable high emotionally charged writing. The kids of today need to be educated on the classics and brought up to speed.

03-13-2016, 01:17 AM	#43
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	Superman: The Movie is beyond reproach. But modern? I dunno. As crazy as it sounds, the gap between the Superman movies and Batman movies is really about a small as the gap between the Batman movies and the X-Men movies. Maybe we should draw the line at reboots? Like Batman Begins. As for answering the question,I feel like the MCU defintely ushered in an era. So I'll have to say Iron Man. And Cubed, I feel your pain. One of my best friends turned off Superman: The Movie, because he thought it was too slow. He just never finished it. Huge nerd, this guy. We go see comic book movies all the time. Breaks my heart.

03-13-2016, 04:56 AM	#44
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	Well, my girl is younger than me by a few years. She can't be bothered with most CBMs today - and I can't really blame her. Most are style over substance, and as Cubed said, not good stories. Then again, kids today seem to only want hype, BVS being the perfect example. It's about quotable lines and memes. So she sat through most of MOS, and endured my little tirade after the screening when it was released. I was pissed. "It's all wrong!" I stammered. "they blew it! it's legitimately stupid." "Superman's stupid though, right?" Her words like knives, "It's silly, just nonsense...". she continued, but I couldn't hear it. "It's not Superman." I said evenly. "I know you don't read comics, but you remember the original, right? Christopher Reeve" "Of course I do, but it's pretty old. Kevin Spacey was good but it was boring too. I honestly don't know why you even care! " I let it go... disillusioned in my life partner, but too exhausted to try to explain. It was late, and we both had an early morning. A few weeks later, I come home to find her on the couch, watching a movie. She takes no notice as I hang up my jacket, but a familiar sound hits my ears... "You're right" she says. "About?" "Say Jim, WOOOOO!" "s'cuse me." The TV interjects..."That's a bad outfit!" I smile. "Everything, as usual" She says. "I'd never watched the original. He has so much charisma. This is completely different, and I get it now. People today, they're not like that. They're not kind or sincere. You really believe he's Superman." "Easy Ms, I've got you" She hugs me tight. "He reminds me of someone..." "You've got me; whose got you?" "Yeah, they cast that other actor because he looked a bit like...." "No. I mean you." Boom. a huge compliment. I think of the Indy scene with the grail. No ones ever compared me to Superman; pretty sure they never will again. Point is, Superman 78 is the Nexus; remove that touchstone and you never get Batman 89, and you sure as hell don't get Spider-man from Ramis. I would argue that without the huge success of those three films, no one would have considered venturing out to any of what followed. CBM's would still be considered MOW's, and Marvel and DC would likely be changed entirely, possibly dead. All of that said, it was Iron Man that was proof of concept of a blockbuster based on a comic book with no track record in hollywood. If anything, it's success kicked off the race to a cinematic universe.

03-13-2016, 09:44 AM	#47
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,717	I'd say Iron Man and Batman Begins. Especially Iron Man given that the series still continues today and isn't being rebooted. I mean, technically speaking the avengers movies and civil war are pretty much iron man (and anyone else) sequels.

03-13-2016, 01:26 PM	#49
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	No, but I did watch 60's Batman.

03-13-2016, 02:27 PM	#52
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,887	Man I forgot about that short. Was it ever released to DVD?

03-14-2016, 07:20 AM	#56
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	Y'know, I kinda want to throw in Batman & Robin and maybe Catwoman as honorable mentions for important steps in the genre. They pretty much served as blueprints on how not to do superheroes. And if B&R didn't go so far into toy selling camp fare as it did, WB might not have been so willing to go completely in the other direction to distance themselves from it with Batman Begins.