Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread - Page 8

~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-23-2016, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This is the end, my beautiful friends. So its been confirmed:

- Wonder Woman movie will have re-writes

- Justice League movie pushed back, likely have rewrites, Synder on the chopping block

- Green Lantern, Aquaman, Cyborg, etc. films all canceled

- Next Superman solo movie will probably not happen for another decade or so

- Batman's solo movie is the only thing seemingly going ahead at this point, but it will be a while so who knows what can change between the.

Its all over. They had one chance, and they blew it. We, the fans, all suffer. I guess it wasn't meant to be.

They blew it with MOS; They blew it when they decided to screw with their billion dollar character.

Snyder's that kid in the sandbox that had no respect for his toys, or anyone else's.

That article from Forbes said it best.

Warner Brothers Destroyed Superman's Brand For Their New Franchise. Will It Pay Off?

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

"Confirmed" means.... "confirmed". Not "I made up what I think will happen".

Actually, he's exactly right.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 03-23-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Snyder's that kid in the sandbox that had no respect for his toys, or anyone else's.

The Hitler video someone posted the other page (that sounds crazy out of context

) said that the DCEU needed a "Joss Whedon" to pull itself together.

What's interesting is that I find Whedon to be exactly like Snyder in that he has no respect for anyone else's "toys". He did whatever the hell he wanted in Avengers 2, regardless of what other films established. Iron Man was in it whole-heartedly, despite Tony getting rid of literally all his suits in Iron Man 3. Cap was enthusiastic when he saw SHIELD's return at the end of the film, instead of being pissed off after all the trouble he went through in The Winter Soldier.

One comment of his I read that really bothered me was that, in his mind, Phil Coulson was still dead even after his TV show started. That is not the mindset you should have if you're participating in a shared universe with lots of other writers and directors, and if that's the way he felt he should never have signed on. I'm so glad he got all the crap he did for Age of Ultron (even if the anger against him was misplaced) and I'm glad it doesn't seem like he'll be returning to the MCU.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-23-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Turo602

You mean Zod's actions.

He talks about battle in Metropolis as a whole.

Also, Snyder thinks that he "grow up" character of Superman:

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In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Snyder admitted he was caught off guard by detractors of Man of Steel. “I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman,” he said. “I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”

From the same interview.

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Jesus, I'm just thinking back to a month and a half ago...

All the anger, all the hate. All the stupid Drama.

Maybe now he'll see the light.

For our fallen Crip.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/...6837-I1nE3.gif

I wish he was still here - meltdown and denial would have been glorious.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 03-23-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

Also, Snyder thinks that he "grow up" character of Superman

Let me guess, Superman is going through his edgy teen phase right now? Is that what's up, Snyder?

*TigerClaw* · 03-23-2016, 05:45 PM

Here is Collider's spoiler free review.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-23-2016, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

The Hitler video someone posted the other page (that sounds crazy out of context

) said that the DCEU needed a "Joss Whedon" to pull itself together.

What's interesting is that I find Whedon to be exactly like Snyder in that he has no respect for anyone else's "toys". He did whatever the hell he wanted in Avengers 2, regardless of what other films established. Iron Man was in it whole-heartedly, despite Tony getting rid of literally all his suits in Iron Man 3. Cap was enthusiastic when he saw SHIELD's return at the end of the film, instead of being pissed off after all the trouble he went through in The Winter Soldier.

One comment of his I read that really bothered me was that, in his mind, Phil Coulson was still dead even after his TV show started. That is not the mindset you should have if you're participating in a shared universe with lots of other writers and directors, and if that's the way he felt he should never have signed on. I'm so glad he got all the crap he did for Age of Ultron (even if the anger against him was misplaced) and I'm glad it doesn't seem like he'll be returning to the MCU.

Alright, I just want to make clear, I'm not a huge fan of Whedon, but I can deal with his style. I didn't love Avengers, the story was weak, but they finally gave us the perfect cinematic Hulk, so there's that.

I'm just a big Superman nerd at the end of the day. If we're being honest, Nolan, Goyer, Snyder; they all had a hand. They should all be held responsible.

Nolan is the least cohesive storyteller around, and should be kept as far away from DC as possible. If you want a big dynamic DCEU, I think George Millar could potentially be a good way to go, but there are definitely many others who should be considered.

I'll be honest though, I'm dancing over here knowing Snyder and his craptastic universe are possibly being scrubbed. Dream come true man.

I want a Justice League, but not this. It's all wrong.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 03-23-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Nolan is the least cohesive storyteller around, and should be kept as far away from DC as possible. If you want a big dynamic DCEU, I think George Millar could potentially be a good way to go, but there are definitely many others who should be considered.

Wait, Nolan isn't a cohesive storyteller but George Miller is?? You realize he has no clue where in the timeline Fury Road takes place, right?

*TigerClaw* · 03-23-2016, 06:08 PM

According to Collider's review, this Batman is vicious and brutal, I always wanted to see Batman kick major ass and give those bad guys what they deserve.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-23-2016, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Wait, Nolan isn't a cohesive storyteller but George Miller is?? You realize he has no clue where in the timeline Fury Road takes place, right?

Lol, sure, but does he have to? Go ahead, explain the internal logic of the 3 Batman films, or MOS. The Prestige, Interstellar, Inception... massive plot holes though out all of them.

Small example of the stupidity in Nolan land. To track Gordon through the rushing sewer water, Bane kills a dude, then stuffs a cellphone in his pocket, and pushes him in.

1. Cellphones don't work so well when wet.
2. Why would the dead corpse float along the exact same trajectory as a living Gordon? And even if we imagine so, is it necessary?
3. Maps.

All of Nolan's films are riddled with this kind of garbage.

Also his idiotic Pretentious "film" crusade. If you know anything about photography, you know he's absolutely full of sh*t.

*Jephael* · 03-23-2016, 06:19 PM

Okay so I just re-watched Man of Steel for the first time since it came out on DVD and the movie is not near as dark, gritty and violent as people are making it out to be. Most of the buildings being destroyed during the fight between Superman and Zod had long since been evacuated at that point in the movie after the whole world engine sequence (which I'm certain was an area no bigger than the portion of New York that was under attack in Marvel's The Avengers). People act like there's no humor in Zach Snyder's story telling, but there's some clever jokes here and there, like when Clark uses his X-ray vision to see Dr. Hamilton through the two-way mirror during the interrogation scene. And who can forget the lovely Carol Ferris (or whatever her name is in the film) at the end when she blushes as she says "I just think he's kinda hot."

I'm hoping to get the same enjoyment from Batman v. Superman that I got from that last movie, and even if I don't I've always got other iterations of my favorite DC heroes to fall back on.

*TurtleTitan97* · 03-23-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

And who can forget the lovely Carol Ferris at the end when she blushes when she says "I just think he's kinda hot."

Uh, that wasn't Carol Ferris.

*Jephael* · 03-23-2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Uh, that wasn't Carol Ferris.

I know, I went back and edited my original post. I think she was intended to be an analogue of Carol Ferris or something.

*Chris* · 03-23-2016, 06:30 PM

After Man of Steel (which I though had some redeeming elements but ultimately was only an average movie and a really bad Superman movie) the best I could muster for BvS was cautiously optimistic. I had no faith in Snyder but hoped Terrio might at least give some substance to Snyder's style. Plus with the promise that the plot would address many of the wrongs of MoS I held on to the hope that Snyder would learn from his mistakes, WB/DC would keep a closer watch on him and restrain some of his bad ideas (like Superman killing Zod), and we could move forward to build a better DCU.

The last few weeks as the hyped built and the early word of mouth was positive I allowed my optimism to grow. Then the flood gates opened.

Based on these reviews and some of the spoilers I've read I'm not even cautiously optimistic. I'm going in tomorrow night with the expectation that it will be terrible. Hopefully with my expectations so low I'll leave pleasantly surprised.

If it really is this bad then Snyder has to go. He's had two chances and it sounds like he's blown both of them. It's not all on him though. WB knew how divisive MoS was and they brought him back not just for BvS but for JL and to spearhead their entire cinematic universe. They could (and should) have kept him under tighter control whilst making BvS. They needed this to be a safe film to launch their universe and the DCEU brand and MoS showed he wasn't the right man for that.

Bring in the Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and the other brains behind the animated universe, bring in Grant Morrison, bring in the creative teams behind their successful TV universe. Not necessarily to direct but to help set the tone and world build as their story group.

Snyder's comments about growing up Superman, his portrayal in MoS and what the reviews say about BvS show he's the wrong guy for Superman. He doesn't get the character. His comments about TV's Flash having the wrong tone for the films is pathetic. These characters and films don't all need the same tone, the TV shows are successful because they all have a tone appropriate for the characters and they still blend well together when they cross over.

*THGhost* · 03-23-2016, 06:59 PM

Seeing this on Friday. The critics aren't being kind to it. Although reactions from early fan screenings were positive, so I'll make up my own mind soon.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Rule #2: No bickering

You feeling okay, Cubed?

*Bry* · 03-23-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

Also, Snyder thinks that he "grow up" character of Superman:

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In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Snyder admitted he was caught off guard by detractors of Man of Steel. “I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman,” he said. “I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”

Oh my god, **** Zack Snyder.

"Trying to grow up their character". The ego on this guy! Does he seriously think that he's got better ideas for the character than 78 years of stories by countless creators across damn near every form of media there is? Like the entire history of the character is inferior and childish compared to Man of Freakin' Steel?

I know it shouldn't upset me. It's just movies. But he's revealing his dismissiveness and contempt for the character and his history here, and that just highlights that he was always the wrong person for the job. I honestly don't think he "gets" or even likes Superman at all. I think he's philosophically at odds with who the character is, and instead of just... not directing Superman movies, he's desperately trying to rewrite the character to suit him, instead of adjusting his sensibilities to suit the character.

Listen. He's a competent director with a distinctive style. I will absolutely give him that. But it's become clear that he thinks he's a waaaay smarter storyteller than he actually is. He may have some potentially interesting ideas, but he's got a pretty terrible track record in executing those ideas with engaging stories and compelling characters. And I think all of this controversy means a lot of people are finally starting to realize it.

DarkLightDragon · 03-23-2016, 08:02 PM

For me, his credibility went down the moment he compared the death toll in the Force Awakens to the one from MoS. I haven't even watched SW: TFA and yet it's easy to see not only how off the mark it really is, but also just resorting to such a fallacy at all should tell anybody how full of himself this guy is.

*Powder* · 03-23-2016, 08:03 PM

I'm not surprised this blows but I am surprised people actually see it for themselves & admit it freely. A step in the right direction. Suicide Squad still looks dope, at least.

*CyberCubed* · 03-23-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I'm not surprised this blows but I am surprised people actually see it for themselves & admit it freely. A step in the right direction. Suicide Squad still looks dope, at least.

Most are going to see this for Batman and Wonder Woman, who are the two highlights of the film.

Darthknuxward · 03-23-2016, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This is the end, my beautiful friends. So its been confirmed:

- Wonder Woman movie will have re-writes

- Justice League movie pushed back, likely have rewrites, Synder on the chopping block

- Green Lantern, Aquaman, Cyborg, etc. films all canceled

- Next Superman solo movie will probably not happen for another decade or so

- Batman's solo movie is the only thing seemingly going ahead at this point, but it will be a while so who knows what can change between the.

Its all over. They had one chance, and they blew it. We, the fans, all suffer. I guess it wasn't meant to be.

Cubed where'd you get your info?

~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-23-2016, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I'm not surprised this blows but I am surprised people actually see it for themselves & admit it freely. A step in the right direction. Suicide Squad still looks dope, at least.

Yeah, kinda shocking tbh. It's strange that didn't happen when PDMT was released.

Weird.

03-23-2016, 05:45 PM	#145
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	Here is Collider's spoiler free review. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

03-23-2016, 06:08 PM	#148
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	According to Collider's review, this Batman is vicious and brutal, I always wanted to see Batman kick major ass and give those bad guys what they deserve. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

03-23-2016, 06:19 PM	#150
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Okay so I just re-watched Man of Steel for the first time since it came out on DVD and the movie is not near as dark, gritty and violent as people are making it out to be. Most of the buildings being destroyed during the fight between Superman and Zod had long since been evacuated at that point in the movie after the whole world engine sequence (which I'm certain was an area no bigger than the portion of New York that was under attack in Marvel's The Avengers). People act like there's no humor in Zach Snyder's story telling, but there's some clever jokes here and there, like when Clark uses his X-ray vision to see Dr. Hamilton through the two-way mirror during the interrogation scene. And who can forget the lovely Carol Ferris (or whatever her name is in the film) at the end when she blushes as she says "I just think he's kinda hot." I'm hoping to get the same enjoyment from Batman v. Superman that I got from that last movie, and even if I don't I've always got other iterations of my favorite DC heroes to fall back on. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

03-23-2016, 06:30 PM	#153
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	After Man of Steel (which I though had some redeeming elements but ultimately was only an average movie and a really bad Superman movie) the best I could muster for BvS was cautiously optimistic. I had no faith in Snyder but hoped Terrio might at least give some substance to Snyder's style. Plus with the promise that the plot would address many of the wrongs of MoS I held on to the hope that Snyder would learn from his mistakes, WB/DC would keep a closer watch on him and restrain some of his bad ideas (like Superman killing Zod), and we could move forward to build a better DCU. The last few weeks as the hyped built and the early word of mouth was positive I allowed my optimism to grow. Then the flood gates opened. Based on these reviews and some of the spoilers I've read I'm not even cautiously optimistic. I'm going in tomorrow night with the expectation that it will be terrible. Hopefully with my expectations so low I'll leave pleasantly surprised. If it really is this bad then Snyder has to go. He's had two chances and it sounds like he's blown both of them. It's not all on him though. WB knew how divisive MoS was and they brought him back not just for BvS but for JL and to spearhead their entire cinematic universe. They could (and should) have kept him under tighter control whilst making BvS. They needed this to be a safe film to launch their universe and the DCEU brand and MoS showed he wasn't the right man for that. Bring in the Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and the other brains behind the animated universe, bring in Grant Morrison, bring in the creative teams behind their successful TV universe. Not necessarily to direct but to help set the tone and world build as their story group. Snyder's comments about growing up Superman, his portrayal in MoS and what the reviews say about BvS show he's the wrong guy for Superman. He doesn't get the character. His comments about TV's Flash having the wrong tone for the films is pathetic. These characters and films don't all need the same tone, the TV shows are successful because they all have a tone appropriate for the characters and they still blend well together when they cross over.

03-23-2016, 08:02 PM	#156
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	For me, his credibility went down the moment he compared the death toll in the Force Awakens to the one from MoS. I haven't even watched SW: TFA and yet it's easy to see not only how off the mark it really is, but also just resorting to such a fallacy at all should tell anybody how full of himself this guy is.

03-23-2016, 08:03 PM	#157
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	I'm not surprised this blows but I am surprised people actually see it for themselves & admit it freely. A step in the right direction. Suicide Squad still looks dope, at least.