Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread - Page 13

*Bry* · 03-24-2016, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Seeing it for free tomorrow! ^_^

I'm thankful I saw it for free.

I can't say I hated it. I didn't like it, either. There were parts of it I genuinely enjoyed, and parts of it I thought were totally awful. It was... kind of a mess? More entertaining than Man of Steel, but kind of equally infuriating in a lot of ways.

Like, I think it absolutely doesn't work as a movie. They tried to cram what probably should have been several movies together, and it just feels overstuffed and disjointed, except they also waste a lot of time on pointless, extraneous stuff that does nothing for the story. Just a bizarre experience. I suppose it is ambitious, but it totally fails at most of what it's trying to do, so... I can't really give it points for that.

As the lynchpin for the entire DC cinematic universe, though? Which is what it was supposed to be? At that, it's a flop.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-24-2016, 11:31 PM

Knowing your opinion going in, your reaction is interesting.

From the trailers, if feels as though the performances were stilted, and a little operatic; Cavill in particular, and at times Affleck. Would you say that's true?

*shuriken* · 03-24-2016, 11:55 PM

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Man, I'm glad I'm not a huge DC fan like other people, because I can see them being absolutely devastated.

Sure had me fooled.
We'll see what the weekend has in store for BVS

*Slade* · 03-25-2016, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

What's your opinion on Batman intending to search for

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His talk with Lex plus

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~~Commenter 42~~ · 03-25-2016, 02:27 AM

Wow...

*Krutch* · 03-25-2016, 04:51 AM

Well... I saw it.

It wasn't a good movie.

It wasn't Man of Steel levels of bad...
...but certainly came close. Multiple times.

Random Thoughts, good and bad

-It's the longest trailer I've ever seen. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was done with more grace in world building, and thats saying something.
-Superman still isn't Superman. That's unfixable at this point due to damage done by Man of Steel, but here his view on humanity is actually worse by the second half of the movie. It's heartbreaking.
-After 2 hours of setup, the big fight between Bats and Supes is one of those things that could have been skipped all together if they talked for 10 seconds first. The fight was also a snore.
-Lois' dialogue was better this time around, but Lois' handling was the same. She can't get out of any jam without Superman's help, apparently.
-Jimmy Olsen was amazing. By far the best part of the movie. How are people not talking about this!?
-Affleck was the bomb, yo.
-Jeremy Irons was great. Kinda wanted more of him.
-Cavil was a lot better in Man of Steel. Not sure what happened between now and then, but he came off really amateur in this flick.
-Wonder Woman stole the show.
-Aquamans cameo was so awkward, slow, and poorly shot. The hell was he even doing?
-The score was tonally all over the place. I thought this would have been one of the high points of the film, but... its just distracting.
-There were a TON of scenes that felt like setup but had no payoff. And I don't mean the scenes that were obviously alluding to future JLA movies.
-So who was the guy in the building that Bruce was talking to at the beginning?
-After Flash warned Bruce that Lois Lane is the key to everything, did he ever follow up on that?
-I suspect the dream sequences were added for two reasons: obvious teasers for JLA movies, and because without them, there'd be no action in the movie for an hour and a half.
-Did that scene with Jonathan and Clark do anything for anybody?
-Jesse Eisenberg made an excellent Riddler.

I have a lot more to say, obviously, but its almost 6am and I should really get some shut eye. In a nutshell, it's still not a good movie, but it deserves to be known as "better than Man of Steel". Take that for what you will.

*chrisdude* · 03-25-2016, 06:41 AM

Forgive me, but, Jimmy Olsen?

*NinjaPug* · 03-25-2016, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

Forgive me, but, Jimmy Olsen?

Jimmy was the guy in Africa with Lois that had the tracker in his camera.

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Originally Posted by Slade

His talk with Lex plus

Spoiler:

~~Amaranthus~~ · 03-25-2016, 06:59 AM

Sorry for the derail, but did Commenter get rid of his avatar or something?

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 03-25-2016, 07:04 AM

Yeesh. Can't say I'm surprised by any of what I'm hearing. Wanted a reason to go see this, but have seen nor heard anything to be impessed or excited by. As much as I've enjoyed past versions of these characters- everything from West to Keaton or Kilmer and Reeve to Cain or Reeves- the trailers did nothing for me and all of what I'm hearing from those who have seen it early just reinforces the first impression of grim-dark "epic" nothingness.

*TigerClaw* · 03-25-2016, 07:14 AM

Here is Angry Joe's non spoiler review.

Technogeek29 · 03-25-2016, 08:59 AM

So world's greatest Detective huh? Can't see the guys in Africa were killed with Guns, and ask himself. Why would a being with Super Strength, flight, Invulnerability and can shoot lasers from his eyes kill people with Guns?

EDIT: For that matter why can't the rest of the world?

*NinjaPug* · 03-25-2016, 09:28 AM

Great article on the many WTF plot points:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/...left-me-asking

Purse Grabbin Puke · 03-25-2016, 09:37 AM

Saw this movie last night, and loved it. I think people go into these movies looking for things to complain about so much that they miss dialogue or plot points or whatever it is that makes them repeat the same drivel in their wannabe professional critic reviews. I had no problem following the story. I had no problem understanding the motivation for Batman, Superman, and Lex. A lot of people seem to not understand why Batman and Superman fight, and I'm guessing it's because they weren't paying attention, or they're not good at watching movies. It's all laid out in the movie. The fight scenes are incredible. The set up for JLA is cool, to counter the negative reaction to how they introduce some JLA characters as "it was crammed in and unnecessary" as I've read countless times...it was creative, original, and it didn't derail the movie, while also nudging another character in a certain direction. It was 2 and a half hours long, it was intense the entire movie. I've read and heard it was boring, and I cannot even begin to understand how someone was bored by this movie unless they have zero interest in comic book movies in any way shape or form. If you have any interest in Batman or Superman you cannot be bored by this movie.

Spoilers to follow.

I began reading comics during Knightfall and Death of Superman, so seeing Bane break Batman in Dark Knight Rises and seeing the death of Superman on the big screen is very cool to me.

Batman/Bruce has been fighting for 20 years, it's clear he's gone off his rocker a bit, he says criminals he's put away are like weeds, you pull one out and another takes it's place. Superman is not like other criminals he's faced. He's determined to save the planet. There's Batman's motivation to fight Superman...some people seem confused on this.

Superman/Clark now 18 months into being Superman is still trying to figure out his morals. He sees what Batman is doing, and he knows instantly this is NOT what he believes in. He confronts Batman telling him to stop, because he understands Batman's intent, but his execution is crossing the line. Right there the two have opposing views. Conflict...not sure what more people were looking for. I guess people wanted them to sit down and have a 30 minute debate.

For people complaining about the JLA character introductions, they are used to further Wonder Woman's decision to help Batman, and in time help Batman and Superman. They don't take away from the movie, and I thought it was pretty cool watching them revealed.

Confusion on the ending...Bruce says he has a feeling something bad is coming, and they show WHY he feels that immediately when Batman confronts Lex in prison, and Lex warns him something much bigger is coming.

If anyone complains about Batman using a gun and killing people in this movie...wow...it was a nightmare of the world he fears where Superman is ruling the world, and Batman has to form some sort of resistance because the world is pretty much over at that point. It's a NIGHTMARE...he is fearing both Superman ruling the planet and him having to kill people.

Bottom line, if you hated Man of Steel, save yourself the energy of writing a negative review of the movie because you'll hate this as well. DC movies obviously aren't for you.

*Slade* · 03-25-2016, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Saw this movie last night, and loved it. I think people go into these movies looking for things to complain about so much that they miss dialogue or plot points or whatever it is that makes them repeat the same drivel in their wannabe professional critic reviews. I had no problem following the story. I had no problem understanding the motivation for Batman, Superman, and Lex. A lot of people seem to not understand why Batman and Superman fight, and I'm guessing it's because they weren't paying attention, or they're not good at watching movies. It's all laid out in the movie. The fight scenes are incredible. The set up for JLA is cool, to counter the negative reaction to how they introduce some JLA characters as "it was crammed in and unnecessary" as I've read countless times...it was creative, original, and it didn't derail the movie, while also nudging another character in a certain direction. It was 2 and a half hours long, it was intense the entire movie. I've read and heard it was boring, and I cannot even begin to understand how someone was bored by this movie unless they have zero interest in comic book movies in any way shape or form. If you have any interest in Batman or Superman you cannot be bored by this movie.

Spoilers to follow.

I began reading comics during Knightfall and Death of Superman, so seeing Bane break Batman in Dark Knight Rises and seeing the death of Superman on the big screen is very cool to me.

Batman/Bruce has been fighting for 20 years, it's clear he's gone off his rocker a bit, he says criminals he's put away are like weeds, you pull one out and another takes it's place. Superman is not like other criminals he's faced. He's determined to save the planet. There's Batman's motivation to fight Superman...some people seem confused on this.

Superman/Clark now 18 months into being Superman is still trying to figure out his morals. He sees what Batman is doing, and he knows instantly this is NOT what he believes in. He confronts Batman telling him to stop, because he understands Batman's intent, but his execution is crossing the line. Right there the two have opposing views. Conflict...not sure what more people were looking for. I guess people wanted them to sit down and have a 30 minute debate.

For people complaining about the JLA character introductions, they are used to further Wonder Woman's decision to help Batman, and in time help Batman and Superman. They don't take away from the movie, and I thought it was pretty cool watching them revealed.

Confusion on the ending...Bruce says he has a feeling something bad is coming, and they show WHY he feels that immediately when Batman confronts Lex in prison, and Lex warns him something much bigger is coming.

If anyone complains about Batman using a gun and killing people in this movie...wow...it was a nightmare of the world he fears where Superman is ruling the world, and Batman has to form some sort of resistance because the world is pretty much over at that point. It's a NIGHTMARE...he is fearing both Superman ruling the planet and him having to kill people.

Bottom line, if you hated Man of Steel, save yourself the energy of writing a negative review of the movie because you'll hate this as well. DC movies obviously aren't for you.

I agree 100%

*Vicky82* · 03-25-2016, 10:12 AM

Looks like people are going to ignore the bad reviews from critics.

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice now
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE took in an estimated $27.7M from Thursday night shows. #BatmanVSuperman

https://twitter.com/BoxOffice/status/713382691396263936

*NinjaPug* · 03-25-2016, 10:14 AM

That's not a shock at all. The box office was always going to be front loaded no matter what the critics said.

*TigerClaw* · 03-25-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Looks like people are going to ignore the bad reviews from critics.

BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice now
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE took in an estimated $27.7M from Thursday night shows. #BatmanVSuperman

https://twitter.com/BoxOffice/status/713382691396263936

That's always the case, no matter if the critics like the movie or not, people will go see it and the movies will make a ton of money, critics are irrelevant.

Anyways, will be on my way to see it.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-25-2016, 10:25 AM

Just got back.

God.

I mean....GOD.

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What a hodgepodge of a movie. No motivation made sense. The spots you see on the likes of the Tonight Shoqw feel like they were specifically made for the Tonight Show and had no place in the movie.

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The first half of the movie is very compelling, I thought they could have really went places after

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, but they use that as a convoluted way to set up the fight scene on Bruce's end (which would have been enough, but no, they had to find a reason for Clark to bite back...and it came in the form of an interesting twist that was not followed up upon...but in later films the issue could arise again.

Appreciated that

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, liked the DKR nod to

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Another line I laughed at

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Oh, and

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can **** off.

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Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

DC movies obviously aren't for you.

Typical butthurt response from someone insecure of his own opinions that they have to lash out at the frighting notion people may not take to the movie because it's just not well structured.

I liked Man of Steel by the way, I think DC trump Marvel every time in regards to just about every aspect of the medium, so stop tar and feathering everyone just because you can't take it. I thought BVS was a half-baked mess. So do plenty of others. And they all have legit reasons.

PS, pick better reading material to start off with than Death of Superman and f*cking Knightfall. I grew up with those stories too, but there's way better than that.

*NinjaPug* · 03-25-2016, 10:36 AM

You didn't like the fact that their first meeting in costume was Superman stopping Batman from capturing criminals and getting away with the kryptonite? So many WTF moments like that.

03-25-2016, 06:41 AM	#247
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	Forgive me, but, Jimmy Olsen? __________________ PSN/Miiverse: MikeFarber

03-25-2016, 07:04 AM	#250
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Yeesh. Can't say I'm surprised by any of what I'm hearing. Wanted a reason to go see this, but have seen nor heard anything to be impessed or excited by. As much as I've enjoyed past versions of these characters- everything from West to Keaton or Kilmer and Reeve to Cain or Reeves- the trailers did nothing for me and all of what I'm hearing from those who have seen it early just reinforces the first impression of grim-dark "epic" nothingness. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

03-25-2016, 07:14 AM	#251
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	Here is Angry Joe's non spoiler review. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

03-25-2016, 08:59 AM	#252
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	So world's greatest Detective huh? Can't see the guys in Africa were killed with Guns, and ask himself. Why would a being with Super Strength, flight, Invulnerability and can shoot lasers from his eyes kill people with Guns? EDIT: For that matter why can't the rest of the world? __________________

03-25-2016, 09:37 AM	#254
Purse Grabbin Puke Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: 'merica Posts: 731	Saw this movie last night, and loved it. I think people go into these movies looking for things to complain about so much that they miss dialogue or plot points or whatever it is that makes them repeat the same drivel in their wannabe professional critic reviews. I had no problem following the story. I had no problem understanding the motivation for Batman, Superman, and Lex. A lot of people seem to not understand why Batman and Superman fight, and I'm guessing it's because they weren't paying attention, or they're not good at watching movies. It's all laid out in the movie. The fight scenes are incredible. The set up for JLA is cool, to counter the negative reaction to how they introduce some JLA characters as "it was crammed in and unnecessary" as I've read countless times...it was creative, original, and it didn't derail the movie, while also nudging another character in a certain direction. It was 2 and a half hours long, it was intense the entire movie. I've read and heard it was boring, and I cannot even begin to understand how someone was bored by this movie unless they have zero interest in comic book movies in any way shape or form. If you have any interest in Batman or Superman you cannot be bored by this movie. Spoilers to follow. I began reading comics during Knightfall and Death of Superman, so seeing Bane break Batman in Dark Knight Rises and seeing the death of Superman on the big screen is very cool to me. Batman/Bruce has been fighting for 20 years, it's clear he's gone off his rocker a bit, he says criminals he's put away are like weeds, you pull one out and another takes it's place. Superman is not like other criminals he's faced. He's determined to save the planet. There's Batman's motivation to fight Superman...some people seem confused on this. Superman/Clark now 18 months into being Superman is still trying to figure out his morals. He sees what Batman is doing, and he knows instantly this is NOT what he believes in. He confronts Batman telling him to stop, because he understands Batman's intent, but his execution is crossing the line. Right there the two have opposing views. Conflict...not sure what more people were looking for. I guess people wanted them to sit down and have a 30 minute debate. For people complaining about the JLA character introductions, they are used to further Wonder Woman's decision to help Batman, and in time help Batman and Superman. They don't take away from the movie, and I thought it was pretty cool watching them revealed. Confusion on the ending...Bruce says he has a feeling something bad is coming, and they show WHY he feels that immediately when Batman confronts Lex in prison, and Lex warns him something much bigger is coming. If anyone complains about Batman using a gun and killing people in this movie...wow...it was a nightmare of the world he fears where Superman is ruling the world, and Batman has to form some sort of resistance because the world is pretty much over at that point. It's a NIGHTMARE...he is fearing both Superman ruling the planet and him having to kill people. Bottom line, if you hated Man of Steel, save yourself the energy of writing a negative review of the movie because you'll hate this as well. DC movies obviously aren't for you. __________________ Oh you don't like my opinion? ----> Last edited by Purse Grabbin Puke; 03-25-2016 at 09:50 AM.

03-24-2016, 11:31 PM	#242
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	Knowing your opinion going in, your reaction is interesting. From the trailers, if feels as though the performances were stilted, and a little operatic; Cavill in particular, and at times Affleck. Would you say that's true?

03-25-2016, 02:27 AM	#245
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	Wow...

03-25-2016, 04:51 AM	#246
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	Well... I saw it. It wasn't a good movie. It wasn't Man of Steel levels of bad... ...but certainly came close. Multiple times. Random Thoughts, good and bad -It's the longest trailer I've ever seen. Amazing Spider-Man 2 was done with more grace in world building, and thats saying something. -Superman still isn't Superman. That's unfixable at this point due to damage done by Man of Steel, but here his view on humanity is actually worse by the second half of the movie. It's heartbreaking. -After 2 hours of setup, the big fight between Bats and Supes is one of those things that could have been skipped all together if they talked for 10 seconds first. The fight was also a snore. -Lois' dialogue was better this time around, but Lois' handling was the same. She can't get out of any jam without Superman's help, apparently. -Jimmy Olsen was amazing. By far the best part of the movie. How are people not talking about this!? -Affleck was the bomb, yo. -Jeremy Irons was great. Kinda wanted more of him. -Cavil was a lot better in Man of Steel. Not sure what happened between now and then, but he came off really amateur in this flick. -Wonder Woman stole the show. -Aquamans cameo was so awkward, slow, and poorly shot. The hell was he even doing? -The score was tonally all over the place. I thought this would have been one of the high points of the film, but... its just distracting. -There were a TON of scenes that felt like setup but had no payoff. And I don't mean the scenes that were obviously alluding to future JLA movies. -So who was the guy in the building that Bruce was talking to at the beginning? -After Flash warned Bruce that Lois Lane is the key to everything, did he ever follow up on that? -I suspect the dream sequences were added for two reasons: obvious teasers for JLA movies, and because without them, there'd be no action in the movie for an hour and a half. -Did that scene with Jonathan and Clark do anything for anybody? -Jesse Eisenberg made an excellent Riddler. I have a lot more to say, obviously, but its almost 6am and I should really get some shut eye. In a nutshell, it's still not a good movie, but it deserves to be known as "better than Man of Steel". Take that for what you will.

03-25-2016, 06:59 AM	#249
~~Amaranthus~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: West-Flanders, Belgium Posts: 1,815	Sorry for the derail, but did Commenter get rid of his avatar or something?

03-25-2016, 09:28 AM	#253
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	Great article on the many WTF plot points: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/...left-me-asking

03-25-2016, 10:12 AM	#256
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,805	Looks like people are going to ignore the bad reviews from critics. BoxOffice ‏@BoxOffice now BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE took in an estimated $27.7M from Thursday night shows. #BatmanVSuperman https://twitter.com/BoxOffice/status/713382691396263936 __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

03-25-2016, 10:14 AM	#257
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	That's not a shock at all. The box office was always going to be front loaded no matter what the critics said.

03-25-2016, 10:36 AM	#260
NinjaPug Foot Elite Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,390	You didn't like the fact that their first meeting in costume was Superman stopping Batman from capturing criminals and getting away with the kryptonite? So many WTF moments like that.