Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread

[ZariusTwo]

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Question for those that have seen it?

Spoiler:

When the Flash visits Bruce doesn't he tell him that Lois is the key and that he must save her? If he said Martha it would've made more sense in context of the film. I'm almost positive he said Lois which makes me think it could be a setup for JL

Spoiler:

That was the Flash? I thought it was Red Hood.

[Krutch]

I still say this Jimmy Olsen is by far the greatest interpretation I've ever seen.

[raph27]

I kept thinking this movie would be bad, but after seeing it today with some buddies I loved it. Great story, did not see that ending coming, and the acting was amazing. Henry Cavill and Amy Adams were a lot better than I remembered from MoS.

[Commenter 42]

I could watch these forever.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by raph27

I kept thinking this movie would be bad, but after seeing it today with some buddies I loved it.

This is one of those circumstances that I think the brutal Rottentomatoes score might actually help the film, with people going in expecting an absolute train wreck and only getting a highway car pile up.

[JTH]

Well the movie kinda represents the current era.

Story can make no sense or be a bore fest, but the movie has great visuals and great action, then that's all that matters for most.

What we call Michael Bay Syndrome

[Commenter 42]

[sdp]

Do we have any real rules on how to use spoiler tags when a movie comes out? I try to put stuff on spoiler tags for at least a week or two after the movie comes out but I see people here posting spoilers hours after the movie without the tag. I don't usually have a problem since I just avoid threads once a movie is out for that very reason but there should be a rule. It's annoying to see someone quoting someone with a spoiler tag and answering without the tag....

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I'm not attacking anyone.

It's the way things are said, I think most of us here are not idiots who can't recognize it and I'm not talking only about here, you can see this everywhere.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Well, look at that. All the PDMT fans are fans of BVS.
The same people who don't care what the story is as long as there's lots of smashy-smash and loud noises, are applauding this.
It's actually the same group of people, with the same defiant attitude saying virtually the same thing.But I called it. It's getting easier and easier to be prophetic 'round here.
I forgot the "You're just not smart enough to understand it" when discussing an unintelligible script. Always a big seller.

Have you even seen the movie?

Why can't you let people enjoy a movie? I don't understand this mentality, its the same you see in gaming forums against Nintendo. You can let others enjoy what they like. It's not that its a "smart" movie, but many things aren't explained very well and if you don't have a decent knowledge of the DCU it might be disjointed. I liked it and found the convoluted plot more interesting than the bland Marvel movies which is a universe I also enjoy, I just happen to like seeing something different I'm sure my attitude would be different if all the DC movies kept being like this one. I understand why people wouldn't like the movie I just don't understand why they don't let others enjoy it or understand how they'll be able to praise a generic movie like Civil War which I'm sure I will also enjoy and if I criticize the films its to show they really aren't all that different from the other. If I really want to have something "smart" I wouldn't be watching a movie since there aren't many that can qualify, I'd grab a book.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

So he's got superpowers in this movie?

Spoiler:

It's more of a premonition than anything or that's what you think it is until you see Flash (which I didn't even know it was Flash until someone pointed it out to me) so I kind of got the idea that he was actually viewing the real thing of what happened.

Originally Posted by Krutch

This is one of those circumstances that I think the brutal Rottentomatoes score might actually help the film, with people going in expecting an absolute train wreck and only getting a highway car pile up.

This is very true, I expected TMNT 2014 to be absolutely trash from the terrible trailers and word of mouth here that when I saw it I was impressed but how much it entertained me even if it wasn't what I wanted. While TMNT 2007 had the opposite effect since I had such high expectations and it never reached them or came close so I now see 2014 as not so bad while 2007 as a boring film. I was also cautiously optimistic about this movie but set my bar low since so many bad reviews no matter how good can't be a good thing and yeah I understand the reviews but it wasn't stuff that bothered me.

[Commenter 42]

Ok you want to know WHY? Is it that hard to understand the WHY????

Because this now defines Superman, and sets terrible groundwork for the entire DCEU. A giant movie damages the brand, when it's wrong; it flat out changes what people expect of that character. It's the same with TMNT. It DAMAGES the brand.

We will never get the TMNT back. We will never get TF back. They're gone, replaced with postmodern deconstructionist BS.

This isn't the comic world, with all kinds of elastic ideas about who or what Superman is, or should be. A movie, good or bad has massive influence on everything. It fixes in the mind of kids who these characters are, and they're now cheap homicidal dickheads.

For a lot of people, these characters are like family. Snyder has done the equivalent of infesting our family with pod people. It's villainous, because now the well is forever tainted, by this WWE, trailer park garbage affliction t-shirt douchey nonsense.

You don't get to like this movie, at the expense of everyone else with common sense. You don't get to tell us to shut up and go home. The lowest common denominator crap is insulting and infuriating.

And I don't care if anyone likes it. They made their bed, the movie is a sack of wet sh*t, and I hope they pay with their careers for it.

DC has loads of money. WB has loads of money. What we need are more Purists, not more Deniers.

[myconius]

might as well make a sub-division of 'the technodrome' forums and call it 'the troll cave'?

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Krutch

I went in with an open mind with a focus on what I thought I'd like. I didn't miss anything. It was actually better than expected, but still a terrible film. Don't assume people want to dislike a movie. Nobody likes to waste their time.

Ok well here's my mentality when it comes to movies. I watch a trailer, and based on the trailer I determine if I'm going to see the movie or not. For instance, I do not like Thor. I do not like Ant Man, but I watched those trailers and they were not interesting to me, so I don't see the movies. I save myself the trouble of being annoyed and writing negative reviews for a movie I know I don't want to see. Now, there is the possibility I'd like the movie. But I'll save my time for something I'm actually excited for instead of "ugh I guess I have to see this so I can go bitch about it online".

Didn't derail the movie? Are you kidding me? You could cut out about 40 minutes and still have a coherent plot that doesn't miss a beat.

It was 2 or 3 minutes in the whole movie, and it was to set up JLA. It did not derail the movie at all.

You can if both Batman and Superman are unrecognizable beyond their wardrobe.

This is just rediculous.

So two movies into the DC universe and Superman still doesn't have a clue who he should be. Why is this acceptable? If this were Batman people would be going apesh*t.

Bruce Wayne trained for YEARS. YEEEEEEARS. It is obvious when Superman loses his powers he has no fighting skills what so ever. This is a guy who spent his whole life NOT fighting. Also, maybe you missed it, he was having an internal struggle, being the man his Father wanted him to be vs being the man HE wants to be. You lose all credibility with me when you expect the guy to put on the cape and immediately become the perfect hero. This is a preference, but I prefer some realism in these movies. It's not a comic book, it's a movie with real flesh and blood people. If this happened in real life, Snyder's movies would be much more likely to happen than what it seems most people who dislike the movie, want.

But that's not what the fight ends up being about. It was a hostage situation. Making Superman an extension of Lex cheapens the fight. The fight would be so much more meaningful if it came from a clash of ideologies instead of a cheap ticking clock plot device. Also, it doesn't dismiss the fact that they could have had a 60 second chat and skip the fight altogether.

The fight is exactly what Batman wants it to be. Bruce is an insane person. He trains children to fight for him. He brutally beats criminals. Superman is not that guy. So even if he was going to fight Batman because Batman disobeyed Superman's order to stop being a vigilante, he isn't going to kill Batman, and the fight would probably go the same way it went in the movie. I can't stand when someone doesn't like the direction a plot goes so they call it "cheap" or "ticky tacky" or whatever else you want to call it. Luthor had been playing up Batman v Superman for months. He sent those photos to Clark, he was trying to get Bruce to help him weaponize Kryptonite. So kidnapping Martha goes hand in hand with what Lex was doing all movie.

So you're saying Wonder Woman would have bailed when Doomsday showed up if she hadn't gotten Bruce's email?

Based on what she said at the end of the movie about not fighting for mankind? Yes.

Unlike the time when he kills all those people in the cars, the grenade he chucks at the henchmen, and the guy with the flamethrower he sent to his death?

Well you're either going to be ok w/ this or not. I personally don't care, because the character has done this over and over in movies.

This is the kind of narrow minded mentality that makes discussions impossible. Regardless of how many facts are presented, they're dismissed as butthurt. I'm ten times over a DC guy over a Marvel. I have a clear vested interest in DC movies. That doesn't mean I have to like what they're giving me.

Ugh..Yaawwwnnn...The MOVIES have set a certain tone. If you don't like them, then don't watch them. I don't understand seeing a movie you'll know you'll hate.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

>Eisenberg offered Riddler role
>Turns it down
>Offered role of Luthor
>Accepts
>Role of Luthor written like Riddler

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman...iddler-a132539

The first line of this article is "This is complete speculation by me" Why are you posting this?

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

That was Flash in the boom tube??? I was confused by that scene. I was thinking it was one of the Robins (Jason as Red Hood perhaps)....He said "You can save us..."

I too thought it was Red Hood, and I'll have to go see it again, but if it's The Flash, I'm sure it'll be a plot point from JLA where Flash bends time to send that message to Bruce. Could be that in the JLA movie he goes too far back in time? We'll just have to wait and see.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by myconius

might as well make a sub-division of 'the technodrome' forums and call it 'the troll cave'?

Typical response, from a typical apologist.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Ok you want to know WHY? Is it that hard to understand the WHY????

Because this now defines Superman, and sets terrible groundwork for the entire DCEU. A giant movie damages the brand, when it's wrong; it flat out changes what people expect of that character. It's the same with TMNT. It DAMAGES the brand.

We will never get the TMNT back. We will never get TF back. They're gone, replaced with postmodern deconstructionist BS.

This isn't the comic world, with all kinds of elastic ideas about who or what Superman is, or should be. A movie, good or bad has massive influence on everything. It fixes in the mind of kids who these characters are, and they're now cheap homicidal dickheads.

For a lot of people, these characters are like family. Snyder has done the equivalent of infesting our family with pod people. It's villainous, because now the well is forever tainted, by this WWE, trailer park garbage affliction t-shirt douchey nonsense.

You don't get to like this movie, at the expense of everyone else with common sense. You don't get to tell us to shut up and go home. The lowest common denominator crap is insulting and infuriating.

And I don't care if anyone likes it. They made their bed, the movie is a sack of wet sh*t, and I hope they pay with their careers for it.

DC has loads of money. WB has loads of money. What we need are more Purists, not more Deniers.

Do you ever actually see the movies you bash on this forum?

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Typical response, from a typical apologist.

typical defense of a troll.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Typical response, from a typical apologist.

btw .... you shame the memory of one of music's most brilliant visionaries by using his likeness on your profile.

you're no moonage daydreamer.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by myconius

btw .... you shame the memory of one of music's most brilliant visionaries by using his likeness on your profile.

you're no moonage daydreamer.

You know nothing. You want to play with me? Step up your game kid.
Argue the subject, and I'll show you some respect; you're swinging wildly, and missing.

A Troll, by nature, wants to be contrary just because. I ****ing hate these films. Learn the difference.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

That was Flash in the boom tube??? I was confused by that scene. I was thinking it was one of the Robins (Jason as Red Hood perhaps)....He said "You can save us..."

Glad I wasn't the only one.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Ok well here's my mentality when it comes to movies. I watch a trailer, and based on the trailer I determine if I'm going to see the movie or not. For instance, I do not like Thor. I do not like Ant Man, but I watched those trailers and they were not interesting to me, so I don't see the movies. I save myself the trouble of being annoyed and writing negative reviews for a movie I know I don't want to see. Now, there is the possibility I'd like the movie. But I'll save my time for something I'm actually excited for instead of "ugh I guess I have to see this so I can go bitch about it online".

I think what I can make out of that is: "Why see a movie you know you won't like?"
Lots of reasons, the main one being I don't know that I don't like it until I've actually seen it. I want to like the movie regardless of how after having seen all the marketing material my gut is telling me it will be awful. I still want to give it a chance, so I'm giving it a chance.

Also, just to have an informed opinion.

Carrying your logic forward, I guess once a band/director/author comes out with an album/movie/book you don't like, you should never listen/watch/read them again.

I like Superman and I like DC universe. Of course I'm going to check out what their big movie event is all about. Just because Superman was in the worst movie I've ever seen doesn't mean good Superman movies cannot exist.

It was 2 or 3 minutes in the whole movie, and it was to set up JLA. It did not derail the movie at all.

No, it did, actually. Honest

This is just rediculous.

It's an opinion, so, no. It's not. (Also, you spelled ridiculous incorrectly )

Bruce Wayne trained for YEARS. YEEEEEEARS. It is obvious when Superman loses his powers he has no fighting skills what so ever. This is a guy who spent his whole life NOT fighting. Also, maybe you missed it, he was having an internal struggle, being the man his Father wanted him to be vs being the man HE wants to be. You lose all credibility with me when you expect the guy to put on the cape and immediately become the perfect hero. This is a preference, but I prefer some realism in these movies. It's not a comic book, it's a movie with real flesh and blood people. If this happened in real life, Snyder's movies would be much more likely to happen than what it seems most people who dislike the movie, want.

What I'm saying is what if in these movies, Batman, two movies in, was still in his Year One phase mentally, despite running around in the Batsuit. Two movies in and he's still going "I don't know how I'm supposed to help people, or if I even should, Alfred. Are these people even worth it?" Of course, I can make an argument that Superman should know who he is long before he puts on the cape, but I understand thats just my own preference. It still fundamentally changes Superman into a character who is completely lost and aimless, and goes against what Superman stands for. But because its Superman, not the "cool one", its okay to take such extreme liberties with the character and people will call it "realistic."

I can't stand when someone doesn't like the direction a plot goes so they call it "cheap" or "ticky tacky" or whatever else you want to call it.

But it IS cheap. Ask yourself, what sounds more emotionally compelling? One guy reluctantly has to fight another when it could be completely avoided or two guys who know they have to fight because neither of them are going to budge in their ideologies, and the only way to end it is if one of them goes.

Luthor had been playing up Batman v Superman for months. He sent those photos to Clark, he was trying to get Bruce to help him weaponize Kryptonite. So kidnapping Martha goes hand in hand with what Lex was doing all movie.

I didn't say Lex wasn't acting out of character so I'm not sure where this is coming from. I'm saying that having the fight take place by extension of Lex robs the actual fight of pathos. It's not a battle of standing by your beliefs in the face of opposition as it is "Do it, or else!!"

Based on what she said at the end of the movie about not fighting for mankind? Yes.

Our heroes, ladies and gentlemen!

Ugh..Yaawwwnnn...The MOVIES have set a certain tone. If you don't like them, then don't watch them. I don't understand seeing a movie you'll know you'll hate.

The tone established in Man of Steel works a lot better for Batman, so, considering his involvement in this movie, wouldn't that actually be a reason to see it? And again, I don't know I'll hate it until I've actually seen it.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

You know nothing. You want to play with me? Step up your game kid.
Argue the subject, and I'll show you some respect; you're swinging wildly, and missing.

A Troll, by nature, wants to be contrary just because. I ****ing hate these films. Learn the difference.

you've done nothing but rag about this movie for months.

what a shock that you didn't like it.

if you hate these films the way you claim, then why waste your time and energy?

have you nothing better to do with your time?

i'm guessing probably not?

but it doesn't matter, it's your life and you can do what ever you wish.

still though, David Bowie is one of the greatest musical artists of our time.

it's just a shame his memory is being disgraced.