Batman/Superman Dawn of Justice movie review thread

[Cure]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Word of mouth is still a pretty powerful thing it seems, even in today's social media-driven world.

I don't get what you're trying to say. Wouldn't word of mouth be a powerful thing ESPECIALLY in today's social media driven world, not despite it?

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

They didn't explain how Lex knew Clark was Superman - my guess was the ship told him even though that doesn't really make sense. The bigger question for me is how Lex knew Bruce was Batman?

Lex found out by tracking Louise with the tracker that was put on her. I mean common how man times did he save her

Also I don't recall Lex knowing Bruce Wayne was Batman...... I might have just missed it. The movie was a lot to take in.

But anyway just saw the movie and it was freaking awesome loved it!!!!!

I get why it has been getting bad reviews and I get why super-man fans are upset. But Ben Affleck as Batman was awesome, Love the new Alfred and Wonder-Woman was probably the best surprise of the movie. She was freaking awesome!!!

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Jesus...ultimately he used the situation to further damage Superman's reputation. You are the one harping on the friggin bullets. Lois' digging into the situation is what opens up Lex being linked to these acts just before it's revealed Lex has been pitting Bat's and Superman against each other. He is not calling Batman and saying HEY LOOK WHAT I DID, he's leaving breadcrumbs so the "master detective" can fall into the trap.

...Do I really need to ask this question again?
Sorry, honestly, please don't take this personally, it just feels like my answer has not being given a straight answer.

"Whyyyyyy leave evidence when you don't have to?"

While we're on the topic of this scheme anyways, I want to make sure I understand the jist of it correctly:

Lex setup some kind of scenario in Africa that he was hoping Superman would interfere in. And he just hoped it'd be Lois that Perry sends over. Okay, fair enough, so he lucked out there. Which means Superman is kind of listening in and overseeing how it goes and when he hears the gunshot(to the legendary Jimmy Olsen), he let's him get shot before acting. Okay, fair enough: Maybe he's too far away to stop that. So he comes in, grabs Lois, and takes off. After he leaves, Lex's men go into down and start shooting up the villagers. And people think that Superman shot these people? Like, with guns? ...Okay, wait, no, because "not all the details were released." So basically, the only story that got out was "An incident in Africa involving local rebels and arms dealing got out of control. Superman got involved to rescue an american reporter covering a scoop. People got hurt. He managed to rescue Lois Lane." Is that it? That was Lex's plan? A really strange overly vague story that nobody in their right mind should draw any conclusions to with so little details provided? That's not me taking the piss, that's me actually asking if I understood that right.

Not to mention Lois is also told Lex also had private security contractors at the desert compound. So that's two massive pieces of evidence linking Lex to this incident that Batman, if he were half the detective he's supposed to be, should have been able to find out, realize this is all a big conspiracy, and set his sights on Lex.

Batman is like the smartest man in DC. What benefit is it to leave incriminating evidence behind when you don't have to?

Look, what I'm trying to say is this. Either Lex is trying to remain invisible so he can cast doubt on Superman and pit Batman against him and doing a terrible job at it OR He's intentionally leaving "breadcrumbs" for the worlds greatest detective for no other reason than to incriminate himself when he doesn't have to.

Ultimately I'll have to see the uncut version because I believe there will be a scene where Clark finds out about Bruce's parents. If he finds that out, then he purposefully used the name Martha.

And when/if thats the case, I'll happily withdraw my critique Until then, it's cheap convenience. Anything else is just spin.

First of all NOBODY has been on that ship because Lex had to use the peeled off fingerprints of Zod to get in. Secondly I think during a major attack, it's safe to assume it's Kryptonian based on the reasons I've listed. In the heat of the battle I think Batman's first instinct it's Kryptonian, and he's right. So in your scenario, Bat's should have just not tried to get the spear?

First, nobody knows who's actually been on that ship because its been hidden under a giant tent. Secondly, more evidence points that its a metahuman than it is specifically Kryptonian. I'm sorry but Lois saying "it came from the direction of the ship" doesn't hold up when you know Lex Luthor, the guy you just found out has been playing you all along, has access to the ship, has been experimenting on metahumans, you've been visited by people from the future, have had visions of demons, have recently met up with a woman who seems immortal by Lex's intel, and the thing looks absolutely unlike anything Kryptonian you've seen.

I think he maybe should have weighed his options before dragging Doomsday over to his home turf that he's sworn to protect, yeah. Wonder Woman's sword ended up being able to cut off limbs, her lasso seemed to hold him, too. He still had some Kryptonite grenades with him if he wanted to try it out first. How the hell is his instincts not to keep the unstoppable monster as far away from Gotham as possible?

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

you are REALLY reaching with these insane arguments. Do you have a personal vendetta against someone in the cast/crew? your view on this is so diluted and set in stone you wont listen to logic or reason.

I'm just providing my opinions based on facts from the script. I'm not reaching at all.

Look, you forget that I want to like this movie more than I do. Why wouldn't I? Just because I despised Man of Steel doesn't mean that this movie wasn't a few steps in the right direction. There's things I really liked about it (as I've already said.) But plot holes are plot holes and characters who are supposed to be masterminds making massive dumb decisions shouldn't go unnoticed. I'm not telling you to like it any less than you are. But be objective, at least

[turtlefanforever]

name all the superhero movies with absolutely no plot holes or bad/annoying parts or actors whatsoever.

[Krutch]

Can't off the top of my head. Sorry, when did I say those exist?

[Commenter 42]

Lol, how many CBM's cost 250 million and took 3 years to make?

I'm curious; how many of the Pro-DC movie are Trump supporters?

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

New Forbes article cleverly points out that the response to BVS is very telling of the times we live in.

'Batman v Superman' Is A Blockbuster For The Trump Era

"...There is something about the market’s utter indifference to the profound shortcomings of this particular film, combined with fans’ angry rejection of the critical response, that echoes some of the other trends going on in American politics and society at this moment.

In other words, forget quality: It may be that a defiantly awful Batman movie is just the ticket to make a billion in the age of Trump."

No one could argue with this, but I'm sure they will try.

No one has to argue this. Only a dumbass would buy into this stupid sh*t. You just have a stick so far up your ass when it comes to this movie that you'd find any nonsensical bullsh*t and pretend it holds any validity because it somehow reinforces your thoughts about this movie.

[Jephael]

I dunno which is more entertaining, the movie or this thread!



Granted some of you make excellent points about what should and shouldn't have happened. I personally feel Jessie Eisenberg should've been cast as Jimmy Olsen. I feel that role would've better fit him as he's got the right kind of quirky personality (see Adventureland)

[AT-Man]

Originally Posted by Jephael

I dunno which is more entertaining, the movie or this thread!

This thread is more entertaining.

[plastroncafe]

Plus this thread has the benefit of not having a body count or an ever increasing property damage total.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Turo602

No one has to argue this. Only a dumbass would buy into this stupid sh*t. You just have a stick so far up your ass when it comes to this movie that you'd find any nonsensical bullsh*t and pretend it holds any validity because it somehow reinforces your thoughts about this movie.

So that's a yes on Trump?

The butthurt is strong in this one. You're only proving my point; you get that, right?

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

So that's a yes on Trump?

The butthurt is strong in this one. You're only proving my point; you get that, right?

The only thing I proved is how moronic and pathetic you are. Honestly, you say so much stupid sh*t you might as well be supporting Trump.

[AT-Man]

I just remembered, that the music was bad in the movie.

[Commenter 42]

That's not very Christian of you, King of Kings...

Anyway, so yeah, you're totally that guy.
Anyone wanna take the over under on next weekends B.O.? I'm going to go with 62%.

This won't make the B.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by JTH

And it was the 4th highest opening worldwide grossing movie of all time.

What about that is underwhelming, a failure, flop, or were people expecting 550 million right out the gate?

The fact that they're building a universe, and the success of future films depends, in part, on people's opinions of this movie? Spider-Man 3.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Batman v Superman' Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic

"According to the figures I’ve compiled from Boxofficemojo.com, Batman v Superman has set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern North American box office history. In dropping 55% from its $82 million Friday debut to its $37 million gross on Sunday, it pummeled all prior records for weakness in theatrical staying power. It even beat the nearly universally reviled and now long-forgotten Fantastic Four reboot, which dropped a comparatively modest 48% across its opening weekend in the summer of 2015."



Who was it that wanted to bet on the success of this steaming pile?
Lol...it's even underperforming my expectations.

Movie opened on a Thursday night. It made a TON of money those first two nights. If it opened on a Friday, Friday and Saturday would have been the strongest days. The dip is probably from people already seeing in on Thursday or Friday.

Originally Posted by Krutch

...Do I really need to ask this question again?
Sorry, honestly, please don't take this personally, it just feels like my answer has not being given a straight answer.

"Whyyyyyy leave evidence when you don't have to?"

While we're on the topic of this scheme anyways, I want to make sure I understand the jist of it correctly:

Lex setup some kind of scenario in Africa that he was hoping Superman would interfere in. And he just hoped it'd be Lois that Perry sends over. Okay, fair enough, so he lucked out there. Which means Superman is kind of listening in and overseeing how it goes and when he hears the gunshot(to the legendary Jimmy Olsen), he let's him get shot before acting. Okay, fair enough: Maybe he's too far away to stop that. So he comes in, grabs Lois, and takes off. After he leaves, Lex's men go into down and start shooting up the villagers. And people think that Superman shot these people? Like, with guns? ...Okay, wait, no, because "not all the details were released." So basically, the only story that got out was "An incident in Africa involving local rebels and arms dealing got out of control. Superman got involved to rescue an american reporter covering a scoop. People got hurt. He managed to rescue Lois Lane." Is that it? That was Lex's plan? A really strange overly vague story that nobody in their right mind should draw any conclusions to with so little details provided? That's not me taking the piss, that's me actually asking if I understood that right.

Not to mention Lois is also told Lex also had private security contractors at the desert compound. So that's two massive pieces of evidence linking Lex to this incident that Batman, if he were half the detective he's supposed to be, should have been able to find out, realize this is all a big conspiracy, and set his sights on Lex.

Batman is like the smartest man in DC. What benefit is it to leave incriminating evidence behind when you don't have to?

Look, what I'm trying to say is this. Either Lex is trying to remain invisible so he can cast doubt on Superman and pit Batman against him and doing a terrible job at it OR He's intentionally leaving "breadcrumbs" for the worlds greatest detective for no other reason than to incriminate himself when he doesn't have to. [

And when/if thats the case, I'll happily withdraw my critique Until then, it's cheap convenience. Anything else is just spin.

You're the one who thinks Lex was "hiding" or whatever. He SO clearly was not hiding his intentions about Superman.

How about instead of Lex "hoping" Lois would be assigned, he FOUND OUT Lois was assigned and that's when he came up with his plan.

This is what happened in the movie, because I was watching, maybe you weren't. Jimmy Olsen is killed, and then KGBeast and his black ops guys start killing everyone, and then they get out of there. In the meantime, Lois is being held hostage and that's what gets Superman to come and find her. The woman at the trial says all she knows is Superman showed up, they heard a loud boom and everyone was dead. There is nothing in the movie about Superman shooting people. The black ops guys didn't go into any town after Superman left.

First, nobody knows who's actually been on that ship because its been hidden under a giant tent. Secondly, more evidence points that its a metahuman than it is specifically Kryptonian. I'm sorry but Lois saying "it came from the direction of the ship" doesn't hold up when you know Lex Luthor, the guy you just found out has been playing you all along, has access to the ship, has been experimenting on metahumans, you've been visited by people from the future, have had visions of demons, have recently met up with a woman who seems immortal by Lex's intel, and the thing looks absolutely unlike anything Kryptonian you've seen.

You are literally just saying you're right because you say so. You are living in a delusion. Something came from the KRYPTONIAN ship NOBODY has been on in 18 months, and you think Batman's first instinct is to think "hmm it came from the ship from Krypton...no no no, can't be kryptonian, has to be a meta-human. That Kryptonite spear won't work. I'll just go use my human, non super power body to go fight that giant beast in the streets of Metropolis. I won't ever even THINK that it's possible the thing that busted out of the Kryptonian ship, from KRYPTON, is....Kryptonian...nope nope nope...HAS to be Meta-Human. HAS TO BE!"

You are so right, that would have been MUCH better.

I think he maybe should have weighed his options before dragging Doomsday over to his home turf that he's sworn to protect, yeah. Wonder Woman's sword ended up being able to cut off limbs, her lasso seemed to hold him, too. He still had some Kryptonite grenades with him if he wanted to try it out first. How the hell is his instincts not to keep the unstoppable monster as far away from Gotham as possible?

I'm just providing my opinions based on facts from the script. I'm not reaching at all.

I think maybe he weighed his options after his first encounter with Doomsday shot lasers out of his eyes JUST like those other 2 Kryptonians Bruce has seen...oh what's their names...Zod and...

He watched Superman fight Zod in Metropolis, so you think after seeing that destruction, he should have STAYED in Metropolis and fought Doomsday instead of bringing him to an abandoned area in Gotham? Gotham is a sh*thole, it's very plausible that an entire area of the city is abandoned. Look up Detroit...it's a real thing.

And he had one Kryptonite grenade left. He talks about that with Superman and Wonder Woman. He shoots it just before Superman stabs Doomsday with the spear.

Look, you forget that I want to like this movie more than I do. Why wouldn't I? Just because I despised Man of Steel doesn't mean that this movie wasn't a few steps in the right direction. There's things I really liked about it (as I've already said.) But plot holes are plot holes and characters who are supposed to be masterminds making massive dumb decisions shouldn't go unnoticed. I'm not telling you to like it any less than you are. But be objective, at least

I'm not going to like it any less. When I hear or read a reason the movie was bad, or a plot hole and I disagree with the "plot hole" I'm going to say my piece. I've already concieded a few parts in the movie I have no explanation for. But there are only a few perfect movies out there, and just because there are 2 or 3 things I didn't like or question, I'm not going to blast the movie like it's the biggest pile of trash ever put in the theaters.

Even the people who really like it feel like they have to say "it's not the greatest movie ever" or "it isn't ground breaking" who the eff said it was going to be those things...it's an effing comic book movie. I find those remarks so idiotic.

[AT-Man]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

That's not the reason they fight...wow.

I know that, but Superman comes to Batman wanting his help, and Batman just decides he doesn't want to listen. Batman's an idiot. Superman is an idiot too because he could definitely just disarm Batman and make him listen.

What was it with those letters that Luthor sent to Wayne? How was he supposed to manipulate Batman into killing Superman by blaming him on his parents' murder? Did I miss something?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Cure

I don't get what you're trying to say. Wouldn't word of mouth be a powerful thing ESPECIALLY in today's social media driven world, not despite it?

What I'm saying is, despite the rampant advertising on TV, billboards, and especially now in the age of the Internet, with pop-up ads and company social media accounts, etc., the voice of companies saying how good their product still is beaten by the voices of normal people.

I was kinda tired when I initially wrote that, so...

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm not saying that this film is perfect or anything, but some of the fans seem to be taking its shortcomings way too seriously.

For better or worse, this is the post-Michael Bay action film market. You need something that entertains people and makes a lot of money in order to finance stuff that's actually good. Sure the Transformers movies suck, but look at all the new action figures and the quality of Transformers Prime. TMNT '14 sucks, but a lot of fans appreciate the current animated series, which is sure to have a longer shelf life with a film franchise alongside it. And don't get me started on the mediocrity of Disney's Marvel movies...which have still introduced a lot of people to the comics.

I know this is stepping on people's nostalgia, but '89 Batman has a lot of holes in it that people like to overlook. It was a big, dumb action film in a lot of ways...and it also gave us the DCAU.

However, I don't think this movie is as terrible as people are saying it is. I think the online discourse adds to the hyperbolic nature of this conflict.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by Jephael

I personally feel Jessie Eisenberg should've been cast as Jimmy Olsen.

Hey now, don't go changing my favourite part of the movie!

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

You're the one who thinks Lex was "hiding" or whatever. He SO clearly was not hiding his intentions about Superman. How about instead of Lex "hoping" Lois would be assigned, he FOUND OUT Lois was assigned and that's when he came up with his plan.

...I'm just going to stop asking lol. I'm tapping out. I've asked about five times, five different ways for someone to explain to me: Why leave a trail of incriminating evidence that leads directly to you for no reason? And instead I keep being provided with reasons as to why he wasn't caught, or that he had no intention of staying in secret; which goes against the very idea that he's orchestrating anything. You can't try to pit two sides against each other while intentionally leaving behind evidence that says "This poorly staged frame job is brought to you by Lex Luthor" without a reason, otherwise he'd of provided standard bullets and hired help under another alias besides Lex Luthor. I'm giving up. Consider the subject dropped.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

How about instead of Lex "hoping" Lois would be assigned, he FOUND OUT Lois was assigned and that's when he came up with his plan.

Okay, but again, that's just giving the script more benefit of the doubt. We never see or hear that he has a plant inside the Planet or anything of the sort.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

You are literally just saying you're right because you say so. You are living in a delusion.

Everything I've stated I've supported with facts provided by what actually happened in the movie. Not benefit of the doubt, not theory, not assumptions.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I think maybe he weighed his options after his first encounter with Doomsday shot lasers out of his eyes JUST like those other 2 Kryptonians Bruce has seen...oh what's their names...Zod and...

He also saw Wonder Woman and The Flash both move at beyond human speeds. I guess that makes them 100 percent Kryptonian too, right? Because they shared a similar power? I haven't even touched on the fact that Batman's been doing this for like 20 years and co-exists in the same universe as people who look like Killer Croc and can do things like Enchantress... Look, we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. I've given you a ton of reasons that I feel are valid and you're sticking to your "but it came from over there!" argument. That's fine All good.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

And he had one Kryptonite grenade left. He talks about that with Superman and Wonder Woman. He shoots it just before Superman stabs Doomsday with the spear.

How about this: throw you kryptonite grenade at him first before luring him towards your home town? If it works, then you can assume he's kryptonian and head for the spear.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

I'm not going to like it any less. When I hear or read a reason the movie was bad, or a plot hole and I disagree with the "plot hole" I'm going to say my piece. I've already concieded a few parts in the movie I have no explanation for. But there are only a few perfect movies out there, and just because there are 2 or 3 things I didn't like or question, I'm not going to blast the movie like it's the biggest pile of trash ever put in the theaters.

As have I I open these questions to the board because I'm hoping someone will shed more light on my understanding, which you have on some things that I've stopped asking about. I don't know why everyones taking things so personally around here.

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

Even the people who really like it feel like they have to say "it's not the greatest movie ever" or "it isn't ground breaking" who the eff said it was going to be those things...it's an effing comic book movie. I find those remarks so idiotic.

I think it's due to the fact the movie presents itself as being an intelligent movie with real gravitas, so it opens itself up to this sort of criticism that would otherwise be glossed over or forgiven. This movie(well, this and MoS) has a real aura of self importance to it that might rub people the wrong way. I'm all for taking things seriously. But with that comes the responsibility of it actually being judged seriously. Especially when they try to spin it as being "too smart" for the typical movie goer.