Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[TigerClaw]

Black Nerd just posted his review of the new trailer.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I see a lot of people pointing to that one episode where Mikey becomes human. However, the entire plot of the first season of the OT Series involved the turtles trying to obtain a device from Shredder to turn Splinter back into human form. We can blame the writers for coming up with a lame idea, but it's directly lifted from Season one of the OT show as are many elements of this movie.

if they indeed did pull this idea from the show its just another example of how much they don't understand anything. Trying to turn splinter back into a human made sense in context in the show. In this movies universe where they all started out as regular animals the idea that a mutagen can turn them human is just plain stupid.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I'd read them more if I could afford to go to the LCS every month, but I'm a busy badger

I do have some of Batman/TMNT though.

You can find the TPBs for about 30% off of cover price on Amazon.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Gunpowder

So Pete Ploszek is voicing Leo this time, right? Is that confirmed? Because I definitely don't hear Knoxville.

Me either, and his jackassery butt isn't in those written credits on YouTube either. (If that was him, then he's had voice acting classes because there is an obvious improvement in Leo's voice acting. Hardly even acting last time since Knoxville was just being himself.)

If it's Pete, then honestly it's a credit to how good of a fit that he is for Leo then that it is not even jarring in the least, it sounds like a natural fit. So much more variation and personality in his voice and tone, something I was really hoping would happen this time.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

if they indeed did pull this idea from the show its just another example of how much they don't understand anything. Trying to turn splinter back into a human made sense in context in the show. In this movies universe where they all started out as regular animals the idea that a mutagen can turn them human is just plain stupid.

Oh I agree. I'm not saying it's a great concept. I doubt the ooze can turn them human but the possibility that it could and the turtles struggling with making that choice could be an interesting angle if done right. I think the writers watched the first season of the show and tried to wedge in as many elements as they could most likely without understanding anything. That being said, this movie definitely looks closer to the source material than the last one, even if they still haven't done it justice and the film is terrible.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Me either, and his jackassery butt isn't in those written credits on YouTube either. (If that was him, then he's had voice acting classes because there is an obvious improvement in Leo's voice acting. Hardly even acting last time since Knoxville was just being himself.)

If it's Pete, then honestly it's a credit to how good of a fit that he is for Leo then that it is not even jarring in the least, it sounds like a natural fit. So much more variation and personality in his voice and tone, something I was really hoping would happen this time.

Pete was never recast with Johnny Knoxville because of ability, he was recast because #1, Nobody cares about Pete or would miss him, #2, They thought they could reach some of Knoxville's fans.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Pete was never recast with Johnny Knoxville because of ability, he was recast because #1, Nobody cares about Pete or would miss him, #2, They thought they could reach some of Knoxville's fans.

Exactly! Even Johnny Knoxville didn't understand why they chose him. He shrugged and said quote: "Now they have a big hillbilly playing Leonardo". If they knew that the film would end up grossing 400M, they probably would have made it closer to turtle lore. But I don't think Paramount had any faith that anyone cared about the turtles, which explains the vast changes, human centric plot, eliminating the Japanese element, last minute script changes and reshoots do to backlash, and shoehorning a big star into Leonardo even though he wasn't right for the part. They didn't even use Knoxville for any of the marketing, so what was the point?

[neatoman]

So is purple ooze a modified version of the green ooze or is this a kryptonite thing where different versions just happen to exist for some reason?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So is purple ooze a modified version of the green ooze or is this a kryptonite thing where different versions just happen to exist for some reason?

It's a "we want to bring in Bebop and Rocksteady because Bebop and Rocksteady and we don't care about the properties of the mutagen in the last movie" thing.

[sethmartin]

The last batch was made by scientists in a lab, this batch probably comes from Dimension X. It's funny how the green stuff was called mutagen and the purple stuff is called ooze.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Pete was never recast with Johnny Knoxville because of ability, he was recast because #1, Nobody cares about Pete or would miss him, #2, They thought they could reach some of Knoxville's fans.

Yup, and fully agree with that sentiment. Which irked me even more about it. I mean wtf... why Leo of all characters? Left me feeling like the decision was made half-assed like it didn't matter. They could have just given Knoxville a bit part or cameo instead if they wanted him in there.

But, water under the bridge now, hopefully.


That hillbilly comment was in video after an interviewer asked if he did any research or put on any kind of voice. His answer... knowing that did not help my opinion on it. Good riddance, and best of luck to him in other things that actually suit him.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's a "we want to bring in Bebop and Rocksteady because Bebop and Rocksteady and we don't care about the properties of the mutagen in the last movie" thing.

And to save money CGI for a few scenes it would seem.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Powder

If you don't think at least Noel Fisher is gonna have an on-screen appearance, you're nuts. They've been pushing their facial resemblances since day one, & now can't help but take it one step further. Be it a temporary de-mutation, a dream sequence, whatever, I'd bet we'll see one or all of their human actors pop up.

I've been saying this forever. It's going to happen.

C'mon Pete, SAY SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So is purple ooze a modified version of the green ooze or is this a kryptonite thing where different versions just happen to exist for some reason?

I wonder what red ooze does

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Yup, and fully agree with that sentiment. Which irked me even more about it. I mean wtf... why Leo of all characters? Left me feeling like the decision was made half-assed like it didn't matter.

Yes! It was the strangest casting decision ever. Why not cast Seth Rogen as Raph and Kevin Hart as Donnie? So dumb

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Pete was never recast with Johnny Knoxville because of ability, he was recast because #1, Nobody cares about Pete or would miss him, #2, They thought they could reach some of Knoxville's fans.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Yup, and fully agree with that sentiment. Which irked me even more about it. I mean wtf... why Leo of all characters? Left me feeling like the decision was made half-assed like it didn't matter. They could have just given Knoxville a bit part or cameo instead if they wanted him in there.

I don't really care either way, even if the last movie was good (it's not). TMNT fans in general get really, really worked up about voice actors and that's always been pretty strange to me. Though I guess it's a little different (embarrassing?) when you're an actor in a mo-cap suit "playing" one of the four Turtles next to three other actors also in mo-cap suit "playing" the other three Turtles... and all of their voices were used but not yours.

They were hoping word would spread to Knoxville's Jackass fans, or that he himself would be inspired to talk about his involvement in the movie and spread word virally (which he did).

[TigerClaw]

The ooze that mutated the Turtles in the 80s cartoon was purple.

[TrickOrTreater]

Booooooo.

Just...f*cking boooooo.

Oh good. The "we could be human/normal" subplot/cliche. Cool.

And hearty L-O-L to anybody here who thinks this friggin stupid movie will handle that idea of the Turtles "wrestling with wanting to be normal" with any kind of depth of emotion or nuance or anything resembling actual character development.

It's just yet another subplot in a movie already packed to the gills with subplots that they'll touch on for a minute and then promptly forget about because these people suck.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

The ooze that mutated the Turtles in the 80s cartoon was purple.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090420021210

Uh, yeah. That's probably why they chose that color, seeing that's where the idea of the ooze turning humans into animals came from, what's your point?

Also, I'm pretty sure it was green in most episodes after season one.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Turns Megan Fox/April into Venus

Don't give them ideas! lol

That, or them turned into humans, it's like Bay films are just begging for Mikey to have his chance.

Of which she either A) stares at him vacantly while never agreeing or disagreeing to a date, or B) she is like that stupid voiceless woman in the film Pixels, without being mute.




Well... I suppose they could have gone one step worse and morphed Casey into being Mikey as a human. Surprise! Just go full ridiculousness.