Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So considering how dumb the "we could become humans" idea is, were there really no better stories they could have come up with?

Of course, but why would they care. And hey, 4 variant "human" Turtle action figures can hit the shelves, win win for the corporation!

[plastroncafe]

I reject the notion that stupid plot = bad movie.
Some of my favorite things have ridiculous plots.

*cough*TMNT*cough*

That doesn't make them bad movie material.
What makes them bad movie material is when they're executed horribly.
There, and now I feel better about my 10+ year long fanfics.

Having said that, this movie looks like it's going to be more of the same.
If you liked the first one, I wish you the very best in enjoying this one.

[Mew]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yes, Mew. Now go play.

Excuse me, but my TMNT 2 action figures aren't here yet.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I reject the notion that stupid plot = bad movie.
Some of my favorite things have ridiculous plots.

Right, but it's still a lazy idea regardless.

[IndigoErth]

For the time being, I'm just going to assume the human thing is a small, passing idea the Turtles were intrigued by, but doesn't go anywhere. If they actually managed to go into it despite a larger storyline happening I'd be surprised.

My guess, it's simply a plot devise to make them appreciate who they are by the end of the film; à la hagosha plot devise to connect April to them.

Why either actually needs to happen...



...but seems to be how these writers work. I suppose it's an attempt at character development.

Though if it ended on a successful message of accepting who you are, that might be okay.... Do I trust that will really come through enough, not really.




Personally, I find the "human version" stuff (as done sometimes by fans) to be rather boring. You hear me, movie people? It takes so much of their specialness away and ignores the fact that they can still be very relatable, and still be like adopted members of humanity in a way and similar to us to a large degree, without having to look and be exactly like us.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by neatoman

OK so basically the plot is:

• Turtles are sick of hiding
• Shredder has somehow obtained Purple Mutagen
• Makes Bebop and Rocksteady and intends to make more mutants
• Turtles want to use PM to turn human

But how the hell does Kraang fit into this? He has already been shown in the trailers, so why isn't there any more info on how he fits into the plot?

"Plot". Ha! That's a good one.

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

"Why won't Shredder Senpai notice me?"

Weeabaxter?

Originally Posted by neatoman

So considering how dumb the "we could become humans" idea is, were there really no better stories they could have come up with? Hell, they didn't even have to come up with a new plot (not that this is new plot for TMNT to begin with), they could just have lifted something out of previous TMNT material and nobody would have cared.

Seriously. Could they not, like, just read some comics? Watch some better TV episodes? There are so many good-to-great TMNT stories that would be crowd-pleasers and would do so much more to build up the characters and their world. Instead we get... this. It's mind-boggling.

[ProphetofGanja]

I'm just strollin through the comments like



People seriously enjoyed the first one enough to even entertain the idea of another film in this series??

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Krutch

That's the dream... And a 99.9 percent chance a dream it will stay, most likely.

Honestly it wouldn't be worth the pandora's box it opens.

Besides it's kind of hard to imagine more traditional turtles in these movies were everything is bigger and bolder etc. Not that I think it will happen either as they are not going to come up with new 3D models from scratch.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Hey, it could be a worse TMNT 2. It could be like the poster for the Imagi sequel with Mikey having mad cap adventures saving all of his retromutagenned brothers from the Shredder.

Wait, no. I'd actually rather watch that. And I hate that.

Well that could have been good. I mean The River had the inverse of one turtle getting de-mutated and the others having to procure the mutagen to make him restore him and that's a great story. Of course given that Imagi seemed intent on going even more light hearted for the sequel I imagine you're take to have been more likely. Still I imagine Kevin Munroe would have tried to inject some drama into the idea.

Heck this could still be good. In fact it's somewhat reminiscent of X-Men: First Class (a very underrated comic book movie) and that used that idea to great effect with Beast but I can't picture the guys responsible for this movie to pull it off in the same way. The whole idea of them having to accept who they are in this context would be rendered moot if their transformation had adverse affects but then if it doesn't then the execution of this that a tiny drop can instantly transform mutant to human then why do they even have to choose? A good stash of mutagen and they could go back and forth however much they want.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm loving the tags so far... who put that "finger" tag?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm loving the tags so far... who put that "finger" tag?

not sure but I take credit for the captain obvious one it just had to be made.

[sethmartin]

The concept of the turtles wishing they were human so they could be part of society and not have to live in a sewer as vigilante freaks is understandable. Why wouldn't they? Where it falls apart is this new purple ooze gives them the power to do so! It's gone from being a dream or a longing to fit in to an actual reality! So why the hell wouldn't they do it??? They can't be human and fight crime at night like Casey Jones, or just live a normal life without being in constant danger for being a freak? NO! Because based on Leo's logic, they are turtles whether they like it or not. Well... Not really. They are 7 foot tall, mutated, turtles who have teeth, speak English, eat pizza, and fight crime. They far more identify with being human than being turtles! So is Leo's message that they shouldn't change what they were meant to be??? Well, it wasn't their fault they were mutated and grew up as one of a kind freaks in a sewer! Why not use the mutagen to turn back into regular turtles!!!

Once again, the concept of them longing to be human so they can escape a life of being a gross super mutant is fine. Where it falls apart is that one shot where Donnies hand grows five fingers. You've taken an unrealistic dream that they have to accept is never going to happen, to an actual possible reality. If I was Raph, I'd kick Leo's ass, become human, and live a normal life. After all, why are they fighting crime again??? Oh yeah, because Splinter knew they would need to defend themselves from ridicule. Ok? Turn human! Problem solved.

[IndigoErth]

How sad would it be if three of them decided to turn human and leave. Leaving Leo feeling abandoned because he is more of a purest who believes in being true to himself, embracing the cards life handed to him, and won't abandon his father. There's a potentially heartbreaking story right there.


I'd prefer to see them work on just gaining acceptance by slowly increasing their circle of trusted friends and allies. Including people who can help give them careful outlets to experience a little more to life. Like tickets to that basketball game (lets not forget we have that to complain about), and get them disguised and sneak them in early. (And naturally, when all hell breaks loose they are there to try to do something about it.)

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

How sad would it be if three of them decided to turn human and leave.

I think that would be a lovely way to go. Full-on embrace how ghastly these new movies are, thus giving Viacom/Paramount no choice but to completely reimagine things.

[CyberCubed]

If they become human wouldn't they turn into the actors who play the Turtles themselves? Those guys are hideous.

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think that would be a lovely way to go. Full-on embrace how ghastly these new movies are, thus giving Viacom/Paramount no choice but to completely reimagine things.

smart move

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If they become human wouldn't they turn into the actors who play the Turtles themselves? Those guys are hideous.

they could just use Taylor Lautner four times but still have the voice actors do their voices

[AquaParade]

Christ, that human finger effect was truly off-putting.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

How sad would it be if three of them decided to turn human and leave. Leaving Leo feeling abandoned because he is more of a purest who believes in being true to himself, embracing the cards life handed to him, and won't abandon his father. There's a potentially heartbreaking story right there.


I'd prefer to see them work on just gaining acceptance by slowly increasing their circle of trusted friends and allies. Including people who can help give them careful outlets to experience a little more to life. Like tickets to that basketball game (lets not forget we have that to complain about), and get them disguised and sneak them in early. (And naturally, when all hell breaks loose they are there to try to do something about it.)

Yeah but why can't Splinter turn human too? And watch his sons grow up in a normal environment where they won't be alone and miserable? This whole thing makes no sense! All because of that one shot where Donnie's hand mutates. If it was more hypothetical, like Donnie says "Hey, what if" and then they struggle with the idea that they should try even if there are potential risks, you could have an interesting story. But giving them the actual ability to do so is like giving Batman a time machine where he can go back and stop his parents from being murdered, or giving Bruce Banner a pill that would stop him from becoming the Hulk. What makes a great super hero is that they are stricken with some type of burden that makes them an outcast and they learn to accept it and use that burden to do good. Once you give them an "easy way out", you ruin the motive and make the characters come off foolish. I have gone from being pumped to shaking my head all because of that damn Donnie hand shot... Sigh

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I'm loving the tags so far... who put that "finger" tag?

*shyly raises hand*

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, they made it way too easy. And Donnie just casually tests it on himself? (Also, those fingers are all way too uniform in length.)

Anyone remember that time when mutagen remained existing in their blood? (Does it even need to be there?) And now this magic one that just casually, painlessly changes you in an instant.

Okay, the real solution... Turtles, you be human now, and the humans, who are all tired of being boring old humans, will be what ever they each want. Now you're the only four humans; you can't win.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

The concept of the turtles wishing they were human so they could be part of society and not have to live in a sewer as vigilante freaks is understandable. Why wouldn't they? Where it falls apart is this new purple ooze gives them the power to do so!

It reminds me of Secret of the Ooze in a way. In that movie they also felt isolated and wanted to be a part of the city they'd saved. And Donnie also struggled with what he is and how he came to be. And I'd never call SotO a great film by any stretch, but it's practically freakin' Shakespeare compared to this dreck. Even dancing with Vanilla Ice doesn't make me cringe as much as magic mutagen that turns the Turtles into people and Donatello with a human hand. At least a dumb, dated celebrity cameo in itself doesn't completely break the rules of their universe. This thing is gonna do both.

Originally Posted by sethmartin

Once again, the concept of them longing to be human so they can escape a life of being a gross super mutant is fine. Where it falls apart is that one shot where Donnies hand grows five fingers. You've taken an unrealistic dream that they have to accept is never going to happen, to an actual possible reality. If I was Raph, I'd kick Leo's ass, become human, and live a normal life. After all, why are they fighting crime again??? Oh yeah, because Splinter knew they would need to defend themselves from ridicule. Ok? Turn human! Problem solved.

And here's their mishandling of the concept coming home to roost. They bungled their origin, dismantled the motivations that drive the characters, and now have given them an "out". There's no understandable reason for them not to take it. Not with the versions of the characters they're working with. They don't even really have a reason to be ninjas. They're not following a family tradition, they're not following a culture they were raised into. It's all just window dressing with no depth or meaning, to the story or to the characters. And because of that, it falls apart the minute you think about it beyond the surface.