Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[nellyp]

Raph wanted to turn human but Leo said no. He's the leader so case closed, they don't change. Seriously though Wouldn't it be cool if Raph did mutate into a human and turned into Brock Lesnar? He could give Kraang like 3 F5's and then its roll credits time.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by nellyp

Raph wanted to turn human but Leo said no. He's the leader so case closed, they don't change. Seriously though Wouldn't it be cool if Raph did mutate into a human and turned into Brock Lesnar? He could give Kraang like 3 F5's and then its roll credits time.

If they turned into humans briefly, they will look like the actors who did the motion capture.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by neatoman

So what? Basically a remake of that movie with Kraang replacing Vanilla Ice?

Sold. I'm buying tickets right now. "Ninja - ninja - rap! BLORRRGGGGG!"

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by nellyp

Raph wanted to turn human but Leo said no. He's the leader so case closed, they don't change. Seriously though Wouldn't it be cool if Raph did mutate into a human and turned into Brock Lesnar? He could give Kraang like 3 F5's and then its roll credits time.

Yeah, but WHY did he say no? Donnie proved they could turn human, Casey proves you can be a good looking human, get the girl, and still fight crime, and Splinter's entire reason for teaching them ninjutsu in the first place was so they could protect themselves from ridicule! What reason does Leo have not to do it? Is he happy being a freak? Does he like living in a sewer? Now maybe the movie will explain it better, but here it's not explained well. Just because he's the leader doesn't mean they need to follow his illogical advice.

Just to clarify, I do not want to see the turtles turn into humans, but with what they have presented here, why wouldn't they do it???

[Roseangelo]

I just have to say that after this trailer made me very angry with nerd rage this morning, it is very comforting to come and see that virtually everyone else shares the same rage (or, at least, disappointment/disapproval).

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I just have to say that after this trailer made me very angry with nerd rage this morning, it is very comforting to come and see that virtually everyone else shares the same rage (or, at least, disappointment/disapproval).

I think its silly to argue about the Turtles turning human, They are obviously not, cause if they did a 3rd film, it would be Teenage Ninja Humans.

I think the retromutagen will play a key role against Shredder's plans for a mutant army, Donnie made some retromutagen that turned Rahzar and Tokka back to regular animals in Secret Of The Oooze.

Also the Retromutagen thing is a part of TMNT lore.

[IndigoErth]

Where is it claimed that it's retromutagen?

[Bry]

Retromutagen would actually make some sense. This isn't that. This is apparently some magic mutagen that turns anything into humans. The Turtles were never human to begin with, so that's the only explanation here.

Which is dumb as hell. Par for the course.

I have an issue with retromutagen itself, even -- having that kind of thing be possible, or common, takes the stakes out of mutation. If it's that easily reversible, and there's always a way out of it, then it's hard to care when it happens. Especially for a movie series, there should be some actual permanence about this sort of of thing.

But humanizing-mutagen is even worse. Every time the Turtles feel isolated, like freaks, now has no impact or meaning. Because there's a way out of that too. Congratulations, nothing matters.

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I think its silly to argue about the Turtles turning human, They are obviously not, cause if they did a 3rd film, it would be Teenage Ninja Humans.

I think the retromutagen will play a key role against Shredder's plans for a mutant army, Donnie made some retromutagen that turned Rahzar and Tokka back to regular animals in Secret Of The Oooze.

Also the Retromutagen thing is a part of TMNT lore.

They most likely won't turn into humans. They will probably use the new ooze to turn Bebop and Rocksteady back into humans at the end. The retro mutagen thing is a different issue, though. Tokka and Rahzar started out as animals and were changed back to animals at the end. That retro mutagen would have change the turtles back to regular turtles. That's completely different than some magic potion that can some how turn them human.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Where is it claimed that it's retromutagen?

Retromutagen has been a part of the original series and other incarnations, eveven the Nick series deal with it.

its normally a separate thing, but the movie seems to combine the mutagen and retromutagen into one, but instead of the idea of the turtles turning back into normal ones, the side affect would turn them human, but I have a feeling its gonna play a crucial part in the movie, where they have to decide between using it on themselves, or using it to save the city they love. I think it will be the latter.

[IndigoErth]

If it presumably has to work alongside the addition of DNA from the selected species in order to turn two humans into two different anthropomorphic animal people... I want to know how the Turtles went about it with getting the human DNA to use with it. Sure, they have human friends, but that has to be an awkward request. Or an uncomfortable level of being sneaky.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Retromutagen has been a part of the original series and other incarnations, eveven the Nick series deal with it.

Yeah, no kidding.

its normally a separate thing, but the movie seems to combine the mutagen and retromutagen into one...

Based on... assumption? I haven't caught where they've actually suggested this.





Third movie: the Turtles now have mind powers that enable them to camouflage themselves as humans thanks to this mutagen. Or some other mutagen. Again. Maybe a blue one.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

If it presumably has to work alongside the addition of DNA from the selected species in order to turn two humans into two different anthropomorphic animal people... I want to know how the Turtles went about it with getting the human DNA to use with it. Sure, they have human friends, but that has to be an awkward request. Or an uncomfortable level of being sneaky.



Yeah, no kidding.


Based on... assumption? I haven't caught where they've actually suggested this.

Who knows, Maybe Donnie is working on retromutagen to counter Bebop and Rocksteady, and just happen to test it on himself and noticed the strange side affect.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Third movie: the Turtles now have mind powers that enable them to camouflage themselves as humans thanks to this mutagen. Or some other mutagen. Again. Maybe a blue one.

As long as they're plumbing the absolute worst depths of TMNT lore for material, they might as well just do this:

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I think its silly to argue about the Turtles turning human, They are obviously not, cause if they did a 3rd film, it would be Teenage Ninja Humans.

I think the retromutagen will play a key role against Shredder's plans for a mutant army, Donnie made some retromutagen that turned Rahzar and Tokka back to regular animals in Secret Of The Oooze.

Also the Retromutagen thing is a part of TMNT lore.

This is not retromutagen - which has never been a big part of TMNT lore anyway - that has always been used to de-mutate, undo mutations, return a mutant to their original form. This "purple mutagen" is being used to make mutants which have never been human instantly transform into humans.

Everyone knows that the movie is not going to end with them as humans (although I'm sure at least one of them will turn human in the course of the movie) why fans hate this is about the huge pandoras box of crap this opens.

There's not many ways you can take this - the movie is about acceptance which would be undermined if it turns out the the purple mutagen has adverse affects that they have to stop using it. Thus it robs them of realizing that they want to be mutant turtles.

More likely there isn't any adverse effects of the purple mutagen and by the end of the movie the turtles accept that they are better off as mutants and remain that way...but why? Making the transformation so damned easy it wouldn't it better to keep it and use it and switch back and forth?

Is the idea an intriguing one? Maybe if executed well which it likely wont be and even if it was is it enough to justify throwing the basic mythology out the window?

[Technogeek29]

I'm confused here, wasn't the point of being accepted was to be accepted as who there are? Not being something else? Maybe I'm remembering this wrong?

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

I'm confused here, wasn't the point of being accepted was to be accepted as who there are? Not being something else? Maybe I'm remembering this wrong?

It's what I was believing. And where I figured it is going based on Leo rejecting the idea. But as others are saying, making the option so easy to change who they are... Meh.

Granted I want to be fair and consider that we don't know everything there is to this, in which case I hope there is a legit reason for them to decide it's not a good idea after all. Though I suspect it may simply come down to no longer being able to do all that they do. And losing their purpose in life, should they want to keep what they have, since humans can't just devote all their time to vigilanteing.

Either that or the idea of paying taxes, bills, etc is a turn off.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Who knows, Maybe Donnie is working on retromutagen to counter Bebop and Rocksteady, and just happen to test it on himself and noticed the strange side affect.

Well, if we're just suggesting speculation as facts, then I speculate the Turtles tend a secret garden of daises and honeysuckle on a rooftop, surrounding a secret door to either Dimension X or Narnia, but we'll never see it because it isn't Bay-cool enough. (I hear they also grow some awesome tomatoes for homemade pizza sauce.)

Originally Posted by Bry

As long as they're plumbing the absolute worst depths of TMNT lore for material, they might as well just do this:

http://www.doubledumbassonyou.com/wp...MNT-Shells.jpg

Give it time. By the end of this series of films they're bound to be famous. Probably a hiphop Christmas album available for free download with the purchase of that final movie around the holidays.

[nellyp]

Originally Posted by Bry

As long as they're plumbing the absolute worst depths of TMNT lore for material, they might as well just do this:

http://www.doubledumbassonyou.com/wp...MNT-Shells.jpg

Ugh...please no! I am trying to forget that ever happened. Shredder already looks a lot like Next Mutation Shredder, that's enough. I am already hoping the movie doesn't do a setup for a sequel where the turtles find a magic time sceptre at the end

[DioLeo451]

The becoming human element sounds dumb but I'll gladly see how it's handled
glad Leo is against it though

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

I'm confused here, wasn't the point of being accepted was to be accepted as who there are? Not being something else? Maybe I'm remembering this wrong?

I'm sure that by the end of the movie the turtles will be accepted for 'who they are' despite the fact that I doubt there will be little reason for them to do so.

You know it strikes me that the time it will take them to cover this story might have been time given to adjust that origin. Imagine scenes of the turtles debating whether to turn human could be swapped to scenes of Splinter telling them of their real origin.

Yknow, something that they know fans would like. I mean even with how much they fail to 'get' the franchise they would at least suspect that this plot point wouldn't go over well with people.

[AquaParade]

I actually think this looks worse than the 2014 movie. I actually like some aspects of that film, despite it's flaws.

Bebop and Rocksteady look terrible, imo. I'd like to imagine two fierce 7 ft. mutants squaring off against the turtles in a dark alley at 2 am, while the rest of New York chugs on, blissfully unaware.
Of course, I didn't go to film school, so what do I know?