Anyone else been ROYALLY disappointed with Season 4 thus far?

[Ninjinister]

It's still better than any other cartoon on right now.

Good lord there's a lot of crap.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

I hope he's voiced by Gilbert Gottfried. If John Dimaggio can do two different villains, so can he.

[sdp]

This show was never particularly great, it was just overhyped as being amazing. I'm not saying the show is bad either but its just kind of "good enough" and while I haven't seen much past the first few episodes of S3 from what I've seen it looks to be the same quality as it was when it first started, the question is if you liked it or not when it started.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I bet when Season 5 begins and the Turtles go on what seems to be an Asia and European tour you guys will complain again. We already know Dracula is appearing next season, so I bet you guys won't like that either.

Vampires have appeared in the Mirage comics so I don't see the difference.

Dracula? Ugh.

Having vampires is one thing (not a fan but workable) however to have Dracula that's just silly, he's too much of a fictional icon to take seriously and its like having Santa Claus appear.

An European or Asian tour would be great however.

[Powder]

Dracula & other famous monsters (as well as creatures inspired by them) have appeared in various different incarnations. The OT, Archie, TMNT Magazine, The Next Mutation, Mirage, it goes on & on. There is a precedence for it, at least.

[CyberCubed]

The writers love horror movies and creatures, so its no surprise. Almost every kind of monster or horror movie creature has appeared on the show already in some form.

[Prototype]

I like the space arc better than the farmhouse ordeal.

[Foombamaroom]

It's just that this show pays way too much homage to other things, and it doesn't really have its own identity anymore

Season 1 was fantastic, Season 2, in my opinion, is equally as good (The bad's bad, but the good's REALLY good.).

3 was absolute trash, and 4... I used to really enjoy watching this show. Now I just watch the episodes when I've got nothing better to do.


And Cubed, the thread's asking for opinions because I want to hear people's thoughts. Don't like it, don't comment on it. You're not obligated to comment on every thread here.

[Commenter 42]

I slowly lost interest after the season premier, but got excited all over again for the x-over.

It, kind of sucked, retreading so much of TF. Maybe I juts had high expectations, I don't know.
Last two eps were boring af.

They need to end the space arc; could have been cool, but, not on this budget.

[Powder]

If I'm not mistaken, this coming weekend will be the last episode of the arc.

[JH24]

I hate to say it, but I can't shake the feeling of disappointment either.

It just feels...Well, it feels unsatisfying. It feels they're only scratching the surface. They put in several action-packed episodes, but it still feels...empty somehow. It feels as if this series, at the moment, doesn't have its own identity. It feels rushed, going through the motions. The writers keep making those strange choices regarding character behavior (or abuse). Not to mention, having villains that turn out to be very shallow like Armaggon or Dregg, despite both having so much potential.

My main gripe is that this whole "Earth being destroyed and going back in time to stop it" plot feels so grand, so ridiculous in a sense, that it just doesn't fit into this kind of series. The way it's executed feels so out-of-place that I can't feel emotionally invested for some reason. It just feels like a plot twist to make the series more "cool," but that exactly isn't what this series needed. And if you're going all out with this concept, it probably would have worked better as a full season. So you have more room for establishing new environments, character development and internal struggles, interactions between characters, plot twists, exploring new worlds, etc. I don't always like to think fondly about Fast Forward, but they did dedicate an entire season to the future story arc.



To be honest, the farmhouse arc was even worse. But I do have to admit that both the farmhouse arc and space arc at least had a few gems of episodes for me personally. "Foot to big" (comedy, fun) "Speed Demon" (Donatello/Casey development) "Chimaera" (April/Leo development) "Vision Quest" (character development) Space Arc had episodes like "Wyrm" (comedy) "Arena of Carnage," "Transdimensonal Turtles," "Revenge of Triceratons."


But still I can't seem to understand why I kind of dislike the more action-packed episodes in this season. I guess in a way because it feels cliché, the story feels thin and superficial, the episodes do what's expected storywise, wrapping it into a layer of action scenes to cover it up.

The worst thing for me is that I want to love this series again. When I see scenes like the turtles meeting their sensei again in "Transdimensional Turtles," an emotional Leo struggling for words when talking to Splinter, the turtles saying goodbye to Splinter and later to their counterparts, etc. When I see the episode where a mutated Karai wanted to meet the turtles one last time to say goodbye, Karai thanking Leo for the first time in the series and falling into the vat of mutagen, Slash on a rampage and brutally attacking Raph and his brothers, Karai's vendetta, Donatello feeling responsible for Timothy and wanting to save Mutagen Man.

Or for example Leo desperately trying to save Karai and make her a part of his family, the first desperate battle against Shredder, Splinter's struggle about his identity and against the Rat King, Donatello feeling conflicted about himself being a mutant, or even a freak, and his feelings/insecurity towards April, Leo struggling about the concept of mercy as a ninja in season 1, Donatello and Casey's interactions before and after they defeated Speed Demon, Leo and April struggling together to overcome their limits and handicaps in the farmhouse arc, all those moments remind me how awesome this series can be.

This series thrives on character development and interactions, it thrives on the turtles and Splinter acting as a family, and how their family grows and changes with the inclusion of April and Casey, yet the writers often choose to put it aside for mutants, aliens and time-travel. And that's a shame.


As for Casey. At the moment he's one of the worst characters in the series. Obnoxious, arrogant, always spouting one-liners like "awesome, this is so metal, etc," poking at things, ruining stuff for the others by charging in, being a klutz, and the last episode added something new as well. Just being plain mean. (And I mean his behavior towards Donatello. Sometimes Donatello deserves a bit of payback from Casey if he's getting snarky, but in this case Donatello was actually trying to make some conversation before being shoved and later laughed at despite his condition)


And that's what I dislike about Casey. His character has so much potential but the writers keep bouncing his character all over the place. In one episode he's likeable, in the other a loudmouth and a klutz, then he's obnoxious and full of himself, then an episode where he finds everything awesome, and then one where he comes across as a bully. I really hope the writers can look at this character one day, and make him more consistent (and mature) across the board. They seem to be doing it for Mikey (without him losing his goofy side) so why not Casey?

[CyberCubed]

I'm kinda confused what people are complaining about? The space arc has moved at a good pace, given us both plot episodes and fun fillers, new interesting villains, and also allows different locations since we're in space and alien planets and not in NYC all the time.

Yeah the Mona Lisa shipping is awful and Casey feels out of place, but I don't know what else. The fact that the space arc was 13 episodes and it breezed by said a lot. Even with these rerun breaks I'm surprised its over already.

[Turtle-X]

i really like this season. i was getting a bit tired of the Kraang showing up over and over. this is a nice change.

[Eiko]

I'm really enjoying this season

[Vicky82]

It's been ok but I haven't enjoyed the space arc that much because I'm not into Space SCFI and Time Travel. The Space arc has started to drag for me because it's lasted 14 episodes and the breaks too.

I can't wait for them to be back in New York and just focus on Shredder, Karai ect but I have a feeling that wont be for a while yet because it looks like we going on hiatus after Earth's Last Stand because of the movie.

[VaughnMichael]

While I'm not a fan of every episode, I've enjoyed a majority of the series so far and this one is a welcome change of pace.
I'm loving all the aliens and new characters.

[myconius]

i find this season incredibly dull.

there have been a few good episodes here and there, but for the most part it's just not all that entertaining.

most of the attempts at humor feel SO forced- "that's SO metal!"

a lot of the environments look pretty "blah"

the Triceritons are under-utilized.

and add in Raphael completely head over heals for a boring lizard character.
zero chemistry between the two of them.

yeah, i'm not digging much of this season at all.

Fugitoid as well as the cross-over episode were some of the few parts of this season i actually enjoyed.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

It's still better than any other cartoon on right now.

Good lord there's a lot of crap.

I actually like Miraculous LadyBug more....It's also CGI but the city feels so much more full and colorful and the characters look very appealing. Though the show can be kinda repetitive (with it's same problem over and over again)
....but since I enjoy the characters more than TMNT right now it beats it

course I'm a sucker for superhero stuff (and they have cool superhero ideas) XD and magical girls....so...

also I heard Star Wars Rebels is pretty awesome (I still need to watch)

[snake]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

It's still better than any other cartoon on right now.

What is Star Wars Rebels?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by snake

What is Star Wars Rebels?

Alex Trebek is a tool.

[snake]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Alex Trebek is a tool.

You gave away an answer numbnuts