Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[Sumac]

Certainly looks like a live version of FW series.
I am...divided.

I mean it's not like it will be a good movie in any capacity, but as a dumb fun...

Also, this needs to have Ninja Rap or something like it. If you want to embrace cheese you can just go full throttle.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

From the looks of it, it seems like there really will be some conflict between the turtles, mostly with Leo.

The only part of the 'human' thing I'm curious about, with him being adamantly against the whole idea.

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

So, Fox is apparently pregnant again, but she's not with Green anymore.

Originally Posted by Powder

Michelangelo, obviously.

Quick, film some early parts of the next one now so April can have Mikey's kid midway through it after all this Turtles-turned-human stuff.

Spoiler:

After those "doesn't sleep with her husband anymore" articles, way to make the likely cheating really obvious, Megan.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Certainly looks like a live version of FW series.
I am...divided.

I mean it's not like it will be a good movie in any capacity, but as a dumb fun...

Also, this needs to have Ninja Rap or something like it. If you want to embrace cheese you can just go full throttle.

Their biggest advantage right now is that they are embracing the cheese. Turtles could work as a dark property that has a well thought-out story. It just can't be accomplished by these producers. They're good at making things go boom. The best chance they have is making this movie intentionally stupid so the critics don't rip it apart.

Think of the 4th Transformers movie; they try to make it this larger than life drama, but it doesn't work. The writing's atrocious, there's so many plotholes, etc.

Now, I'm not saying that they have an excuse to have all of that stuff in here, I'm just saying that critics/audiences will most likely cut them a little slack if it's supposed to be cheesy.

[Galactus]

^^^

yes I think Critics and the audience may end up being somewhat kinder to this way for playing up the extreme camp as it's harder to negatively comment on something which isn't aiming to be in any way serious. Not to mention after so many bad versions of this property it's now not only seen as acceptable but to some degree laudable for it to be stupid.

There is a big catch 22 though. If it's very successful we're stuck with loads more of the same approach. If it isn't all that much more successful than the last we may end the series with this, maybe one more before it disappears for a very long time. The sad part is I'm coming around to the idea I'd prefer that. Just last night I was wondering how they could still fit Hamato Yoshi in this and if they did...yeah it'd be nice but it would be a good part of what is sure to be a bad movie. I think suggesting ways they can improve and hoping the act on genuine feedback in the vain hope that by movie 4 or 5 we might have an actual TMNT movie is a fools errand.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

The only part of the 'human' thing I'm curious about, with him being adamantly against the whole idea.

Makes sense that Leo would be against it. Like in FW, the turtles are superpowered, and their strength and abilities are tied to their mutation. Turning human would forfeit their ability to protect the city. Of course, they could, like, not live in the sewers. They're grounded for life teenagers, cut off from society. It could be a very compelling story. It's already more interesting than anything I expected to come out of this movie. Funny and exciting? Yes. But I never expected interesting.

[DarkLightDragon]

I do find it funny how Raph is obviously taking issue with Leo's stance on being human even though we just had him go through a 'respecting Leo's authority' development last movie. It's like these people are trying to make up for the lack of focus of said development there in this film, but here it just feels tacked on. Not only is this blatantly rehashing that Leo-Raph conflict that's practically overdone by now, but it also just s*its on whatever special "character development" Raph was supposed to get last film just so we can still have him as the one-note rebel of a group that's already one-note across the board.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

The best chance they have is making this movie intentionally stupid so the critics don't rip it apart.

Think of the 4th Transformers movie; they try to make it this larger than life drama, but it doesn't work. The writing's atrocious, there's so many plotholes, etc.

Now, I'm not saying that they have an excuse to have all of that stuff in here, I'm just saying that critics/audiences will most likely cut them a little slack if it's supposed to be cheesy.

The critics will rip this movie apart regardless whether it's cheesy or not. Having an intentionally cheesy tone didn't stop them from giving Joel Schumacher's Batman films poor ratings.

Originally Posted by chrisdude

They're grounded for life teenagers, cut off from society. It could be a very compelling story. It's already more interesting than anything I expected to come out of this movie. Funny and exciting? Yes. But I never expected interesting.

That is what's frustrating about this movie. You have a somewhat (I use that term loosely) interesting story idea used in an otherwise non-serious TMNT film.

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

I do find it funny how Raph is obviously taking issue with Leo's stance on being human even though we just had him go through a 'respecting Leo's authority' development last movie. It's like these people are trying to make up for the lack of focus of said development there in this film, but here it just feels tacked on. Not only is this blatantly rehashing that Leo-Raph conflict that's practically overdone by now, but it also just s*its on whatever special "character development" Raph was supposed to get last film just so we can still have him as the one-note rebel of a group that's already one-note across the board.

To be honest, for any credibility Raph gives his brothers, he's soon to have another conflict with them. Although the contradicting aspect of him is when after he lectures Mikey about moving in the shadows, he suddenly wants to become human to blend in with others. "Uhhh Raph, what part of moving in the shadows don't you understand"?

[DarkLightDragon]

^Yes, that's the other thing. He gives Mikey s*it for wanting to try and blend in just for one time where they would blend in yet he seems to be first on board with turning human.

Getting so many confusing directions here. Pretty much sums up what the film is aiming for really.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

To be honest, for any credibility Raph gives his brothers, he's soon to have another conflict with them. Although the contradicting aspect of him is when after he lectures Mikey about moving in the shadows, he suddenly wants to become human to blend in with others. "Uhhh Raph, what part of moving in the shadows don't you understand"?

It's hard to move in the shadows when you're the size of Bruce Banner after coming home from a day of failed Anger Management classes to catch Betty Ross in bed with Tony Stark...

[chrisdude]

If they go human, they're giving up being heroes. And they don't have a reason to hide. So stealth is a moot point.

[IndigoErth]

If they went with this human thing, then they should at least be realistic and delve into all the legal ramifications of doing that and suddenly finding themselves as born citizens without any legal documents pertaining to their existence and citizenship. No social security numbers, no birth certificates, no high school diplomas, not much to put on the resume other than being trained in martial arts... Trying to get jobs without those documents, let alone be able to test to get their GED's. Having bills, taxes, etc to worry about... Being human has some serious drawbacks, Turtles; esp new humans who mysteriously have no history of said human life.

Like that picture of the 1990 Turtles showing up sad at April's door... now it's human former-Turtles who are now really really lost and no idea what to do from that point. (Could be interesting if they were not the center of a 32-year-old franchise and no one was attached to them being the TMNT that they are.)

[ToTheNines]

The Gang's All Here may the be the absolute worst episode of the Fred Wolf cartoon. That's saying something.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The Gang's All Here may the be the absolute worst episode of the Fred Wolf cartoon. That's saying something.

I dont know, It was a fun episode.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I dont know, It was a fun episode.

Oh sure. It was a whole bottle of laughs all right. So much fun I forgot to smile.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I dont know, It was a fun episode.

Yeah, I got it on DVD bra. I'll never watch it again though, so you might as well edit your post since it's a violation of forum policy.

Or just log off and never post again. Either way.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I dont know, It was a fun episode.

It seems to be pretty disliked among fans which would make the idea that they purposefully drew from that episode sadly ironic. In a movie series which has sidestepped adapting many great TMNT stories and discarded some of the basic and important parts of the mythology one aspect they do use is from an episode hardly any fan likes.

For my part I don't think it's the worst episode of the show but I do think the part with Bebop and Rocksteady was one of those moments as a kid I felt the show was turning to silly and the idea that Michelangelo would lose his capacity to do martial arts if he's human is the kind of idiocy I have to roll my eyes at and hey at least the show didn't make transformation from mutant to human so easy, the whole instant human hand from a drop of mutagen is one of the stupidest things since...well learning ninjutsu from a book.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Galactus

It seems to be pretty disliked among fans which would make the idea that they purposefully drew from that episode sadly ironic. In a movie series which has sidestepped adapting many great TMNT stories and discarded some of the basic and important parts of the mythology one aspect they do use is from an episode hardly any fan likes.

For my part I don't think it's the worst episode of the show but I do think the part with Bebop and Rocksteady was one of those moments as a kid I felt the show was turning to silly and the idea that Michelangelo would lose his capacity to do martial arts if he's human is the kind of idiocy I have to roll my eyes at and hey at least the show didn't make transformation from mutant to human so easy, the whole instant human hand from a drop of mutagen is one of the stupidest things since...well learning ninjutsu from a book.

Given how humans would weight less then the Turtles, Mikey would probably break those bones as a human while pulling off those stunts.

[ToTheNines]

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Given how humans would weight less then the Turtles, Mikey would probably break those bones as a human while pulling off those stunts.

Are seriously justifying something as stupid as that??

I get the feeling you'd defend just about anything related to TMNT no matter how dumb it is.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Are seriously justifying something as stupid as that??

I get the feeling you'd defend just about anything related to TMNT no matter how dumb it is.

I'm just gonna ignore all that, since people will argue over anything and jumping off topic.