Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[METALHEAD]

i love the trailer. movie looks to be badass. the whole human thing i'm not pissed because there was an episode of mikey in the original episode who turn human from anti-mutagen. i figured thats where they got that from, sort of a nod to it.

definitely gonna see this on opening day with my chick.

can't tell you how excited to see this movie. as megan fox stated, 'more turtle focus' and less human focus. i hope this is true. sometimes it feels surreal that we're gonna get bebop and rocksteady and krang! its an awesome feeling.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

No one wants to see that movie.

No kidding, that's why it was sarcasm.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

i love the trailer. movie looks to be badass. the whole human thing i'm not pissed because there was an episode of mikey in the original episode who turn human from anti-mutagen. i figured thats where they got that from, sort of a nod to it.

We know about that episode, it was not a good plot back then either. It's worse here because the second movie in a series made today on a massive budget, should not have to resort to using the same idea as a 30 year old saturday morning cartoon made on a shoestring budget and an absurd time table, especially when it was episode 41.

[METALHEAD]

Originally Posted by neatoman

We know about that episode, it was not a good plot back then either. It's worse here because the second movie in a series made today on a massive budget, should not have to resort to using the same idea as a 30 year old saturday morning cartoon made on a shoestring budget and an absurd time table, especially when it was episode 41.

:/ yeah you see, i'm just seeing it as a nod. like they did with transformers dark of the moon had a nod to the episode the ultimate doom. i can appericate these little things like that.

but to each his or her own i guess. i just find it stupid to complain over small details instead of enjoying a film for what it is. the first movie had its flaws. but even i know the origin story needs some change after 30 some years of the same story. things needs to be updated, and in 26 years a guy who grew up with this film is gonna remember fondly of these films just as we remeber fondly of the first 3 films. eh.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

the first movie had its flaws. but even i know the origin story needs some change after 30 some years of the same story.

In 78 years, how many times has Superman not been sent to Earth from the doomed planet Krypton, taken in by a kindly couple of Kansas farmers, and used his powers to fight for truth and justice?

In 77 years, how many times has Batman not had his parents murdered in front of him by a criminal, then trained his body and mind to become a vigilante decidated to fighting crime in Gotham City?

In 54 years, how often has Spider-Man not been bitten by a radioactive (or genetically altered) spider, only for his uncle to be killed due to his selfish inaction, learning that with great power there must also come great responsibility?

...I can go on. The same origin has worked for those characters, across countless different versions and iterations, for a lot longer than TMNT has existed. And nobody thinks those origins need to change.

There's a difference between updating/tweaking the origin and wholesale throwing out the motivating impetus of the characters and their story. Which is exactly what BayTurtles did.

[slingtheory]

Change for the sake of change man. That's all it is. There's nothing so wrong with the origin that it needed to be altered so radically.I think even the most devoted supporters of the bay verse would agree

[Bry]

The fact that they thought a Yoshi/Saki rivalry would be "too complicated" tells you exactly what they think about their audience.

To say nothing about leaving so many movie-breaking plot holes and basic story inconsistencies in the movie without even trying to fix them. Folks should find that insulting, if anything.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

:/ yeah you see, i'm just seeing it as a nod. like they did with transformers dark of the moon had a nod to the episode the ultimate doom. i can appericate these little things like that.

but to each his or her own i guess. i just find it stupid to complain over small details instead of enjoying a film for what it is. the first movie had its flaws. but even i know the origin story needs some change after 30 some years of the same story. things needs to be updated, and in 26 years a guy who grew up with this film is gonna remember fondly of these films just as we remeber fondly of the first 3 films. eh.

These are not small details. Certainly the turtles turning human aspect looks to be a big part of the movie hence highlighting it in the trailer. Like SethMartin pointed out a few pages back the likelihood this was drawn specifically from The Gang's All Here seems low but if it was then what does it say about their understanding of the franchise when ditching so much stuff fans feel is essential in favor of drawing from an episode that is divisive at best.

Also the the idea that origin needs changing is the biggest lie Hollywood has ever tried to force on fans of comic book movie proven wrong but the current glut of highly successful comic book movies that stay faithful to the source. Ask yourself a question; Would you dislike a TMNT movie that had a faithful origin?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

the first movie had its flaws. but even i know the origin story needs some change after 30 some years of the same story. things needs to be updated

By that insane logic, Hollywood should just radically change the origins of characters of Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, etc. considering they've been around longer than that.

Gimme a break.

[chrisdude]

I think it all comes back to the old cartoon going nuts with the origin and everyone loving it. Makes everything seem malleable. Like, if that cartoon can work, what could possibly be sacred? I'm not saying it's the right way to think, but I can understand drawing the conclusion.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I think it all comes back to the old cartoon going nuts with the origin and everyone loving it. Makes everything seem malleable. Like, if that cartoon can work, what could possibly be sacred? I'm not saying it's the right way to think, but I can understand drawing the conclusion.

As much as the old show deviated a lot from the comics I wouldn't say they went nuts with the origin. Other than Splinter actually being Yoshi it's the same basic set up.

They missed the Tang Shen aspect but not in a way that if they were ever inclined to revisit the origin in greater detail they could add that in if they were inclined just like the '03 show did which initially had just 'Saki' killing Yoshi but later added in the Shen aspect with the A Tale of Master Yoshi episode.

[Myko]

Well the biggest flaw with PDTMNT changing the origin is that they still kept things around that no longer make sense. As has been mentioned many times.

Also I can forgive a lot of changes if it makes the movie better, this is definitely not the case for the 2014 movie. Like how the first Burton Batman made Joker the Waynes' killer. That worked for that movie, at least as a confined entity, maybe not for the Batman universe as a whole.

Turning Splinter into Yoshi is a good example of how to simplify the origin while still keeping the big strokes intact. Although I assume this was done to remove the deaths of Yoshi and Tang Shen for a younger audience, and not in order to simplify it. Merging Nagi and Saki is another simplification that feels acceptable.

[Zulithe]

Well I'm certainly glad most people are warming to this interpretation of the turtles now that the second film looks like it will be an improvement.

I had my reservations for sure, but it's way more fun when most of us have some level of interest in it rather than taking turns beating it with a baseball bat!

(There may yet be plenty of that, we'll see.)

[marcelangelo]

Originally Posted by Bry

"The fandom is split because some people won't just eat their garbage with a smile!"

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This place sometimes, I swear.

This blind fan loyalty thing. This "I like [Thing], so I have to like and defend every part of [Thing]" mindset. Completely irrational. This property has existed for 32 years. Anything that goes on that long, and through this many iterations and variations, is going to have some awful stuff in the mix. The idea that anyone would actively defend the worst material the property has to offer, even deny it's even bad at all, is just mind-boggling.

Like, I understood wanting to "support the property" when it was independently owned by he creator/creators. That much I get. But it's not anymore. It's part of a massive corporate portfolio now. And they've already made money hand over fist -- more money than any of us can properly conceive of -- out of their investment. Defending the property no matter what doesn't help the Ninja Turtles at this point, it just helps give the executives at Viacom maximum profit for minimal effort.

The corporation doesn't care about the fans. They dont even care about the property, really. They just care about you giving them your money. If you're gonna throw it at them no matter what, then they never, ever have to try harder.

Tank You so much, man!....totaly agree with you here

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

just as we remeber fondly of the first 3 films. eh.

Who the hell remembers TMNT III fondly?

[Powder]

About half of this forum, at the very least.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

By that insane logic, Hollywood should just radically change the origins of characters of Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, etc. considering they've been around longer than that.

Gimme a break.

Can you imagine the outrage if the Next Superman movie used the origin from Stan lee's Just Imagine... series of Supes?

A stranded Space-Cop named Salden that uses a flying harness, and the only reason he's a superhero is so that Earth can spend their resources on space travel technology over war, and eventually have the technology where Salden can eventually travel home.

[graphic_content]

What bothered me most about the change to the origin was Splinter's natural disposition to Asian culture.

1) He wasnt the pet of ninja master.
2) He wasnt Hamato Yoshi turned rat.
3) He wasnt the spirit of Hamato Yoshi reincarnated as a rat.

Nothing about him connected him in any way to asian culture, and somehow he ended up donning the 'persona' as it were, in dress at least, long before he discovered the ridiculous 'Ninja for Dummies' book in the sewers.

Ive been on these forums for quite some time, and have defended the reboot on more than several occasions, but certain things, like the origin change I cannot understand, nor defend.

Clearly, Eric Sachs was always meant to be the Shredder, which would have given the Shredder persona a much stronger tie to the Turtles themselves, and would have made the fight with Splinter mean more. Funny how they shot themselves in the foot (pun intended) with that one.

***CORRECTED***

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

2) He wasnt Oruku Saki turned rat.
3) He wasnt the spirit of Oruku Saki reincarnated as a rat.

Uhhhh... who? lol Let's not make the film people more confused than they already are. (Although Saki becoming an evil ninja rat opposite Splinter would certainly be different.)



I wish they'd have just gone with the Yoshi turns into Splinter version, it would at least have smoothed out some other things that have no valid reason to work, esp the Asian stuff.

[Etsyturtle2]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

What bothered me most about the change to the origin was Splinter's natural disposition to Asian culture.

1) He wasnt the pet of ninja master.
2) He wasnt Oruku Saki turned rat.
3) He wasnt the spirit of Oruku Saki reincarnated as a rat.

Nothing about him connected him in any way to asian culture, and somehow he ended up donning the 'persona' as it were, in dress at least, long before he discovered the ridiculous 'Ninja for Dummies' book in the sewers.

Ive been on these forums for quite some time, and have defended the reboot on more than several occasions, but certain things, like the origin change I cannot understand, nor defend.

Clearly, Eric Sachs was always meant to be the Shredder, which would have given the Shredder persona a much stronger tie to the Turtles themselves, and would have made the fight with Splinter mean more. Funny how they shot themselves in the foot (pun intended) with that one.

you mean yoshi, right?