Anyone else been ROYALLY disappointed with Season 4 thus far?

[ToTheNines]

[CyberCubed]

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

[ToTheNines]

Are you like... attempting poetry or something?

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

I haven't complained about any of those things apart from the space arc.

[TMNTInsighter]

So far I've yet to see anyone complain about the Fugitoid.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

Oh I'm sorry, guess people can't be entitled to share their thoughts? Congrats for generalizing yet again for your own tastes Cubed.

In all honesty, the space arc isn't disappointing as I found Northampton more irritating to sit through because I'm not as fascinated with horror compared to sci-fi. I will say though that it's just dragging as the villains are not that engaging and it's not sitting well. Leo and Fugitoid are doing perfectly fine as the latter is a good character and Leo's struggles with Splinter's "demise" are heartwrenching. The rest of the cast just isn't working, specifically Raph's stupid romance, Casey continuously flip flopping, Don's lack of focus, etc. Add in rather unengaging characters despite their popularity and somewhat rushed plots and it's frustrating.

Arena of Carnage and Transdimensional Turtles are examples of really good stories when handled properly. The rest just seem to be missing something; even with fantastic settings, there's something not in it for me.

[JH24]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

So far I've yet to see anyone complain about the Fugitoid.

Fugitoid is one of the few characters I have no complaints about at all. I find him entertaining and interesting. I also like how he has chemistry with Donatello.

[ABrown]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

So far I've yet to see anyone complain about the Fugitoid.

Originally Posted by JH24

Fugitoid is one of the few characters I have no complaints about at all. I find him entertaining and interesting. I also like how he has chemistry with Donatello.

He's hilarious. This version of the Fugitoid is the only thing that's made this season watchable.

To answer the question, I'd honestly have to say no. I haven't really been disappointed. Can't really be disappointed when you're expectations are down the toilet.

[CyberCubed]

What are you even complaining about?

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I actually like Miraculous LadyBug more....It's also CGI but the city feels so much more full and colorful and the characters look very appealing. Though the show can be kinda repetitive (with it's same problem over and over again)
....but since I enjoy the characters more than TMNT right now it beats it

course I'm a sucker for superhero stuff (and they have cool superhero ideas) XD and magical girls....so...

I had forgotten that Ladybug had actually started, so I will asterisk my statement to amend that it's the best thing I've seen

Originally Posted by snake

What is Star Wars Rebels?

Absolutely boring.

[ABrown]

What is Star Wars Rebels?

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Absolutely boring.

Ok. I'll admit, the character episodes in the middle of the second season were a little on the boring side. But the two part season premiere (Seige of Lothal) and the two part season finale (Twilight of the Apprentice) blow away anything that they've done in Nick's TMNT series. SW Rebels is at least an ACTION cartoon. Whereas Nick's TMNT is just a piece of garbage that pretends that it's anywhere near as good as the original TMNT cartoon was.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Alex Trebek is a tool.

Every time I watch that life insurance commercial for seniors that he's the spokesperson for, I crack up thinking of the Saturday Night Live skits with Will Ferrell as Trebek. Classic.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by ABrown

Whereas Nick's TMNT is just a piece of garbage that pretends that it's anywhere near as good as the original TMNT cartoon was.

You mean the same cartoon where the Turtles barely used their weapons, had no story arcs or major character development, and Shredder and his goon squad weren't even all that intimidating, amongst other things??

Look, I appreciate the OT for its place in TMNT history, but this is like comparing the Batman of the Silver Age to the modern version. Out of all three cartoons, it's definitely the weakest interpretation.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Look, I appreciate the OT for its place in TMNT history, but this is like comparing the Batman of the Silver Age to the modern version.

I would say it's a more accurate analogy is a comparison of Super Friends to Brave and the Bold.

A boring and sloppy cartoon that is still remembered by a lot of people, compared to a fun cartoon that kind of lacks depth.

Spoiler:

And let's face it, like Brave and the Bold, probably not going to be talked about much after it ends.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Absolutely boring.

Have you seen Season 2? Just out of curiosity. I, too, thought Season 1 was incredibly boring, but imo Season 2 did great things for the show left and right on just about every front. (Seriously, this show has some of the smartest writing I've seen in an action series since Avatar).

As for the question, YES. I thought the Northampton arc in Season 3 was near unbearable, but at least that arc didn't have all the fun in the Turtles, April, and Casey sucked out of them.

The writing, for one, has gotten incredibly jerky and awkward. Many times there have been scenes where something to do with exposition gets addressed, which is fine. We don't want something that needs to be addressed not get addressed, right? The problem is, it's done in such an incredibly forced way almost every time. One example that jumps at me is at the beginning of Transdimensional Turtles (the only episode of this season I've felt like rewatching besides The Arena of Carnage so far), where, in a scene that completely slows down the flow of the episode, even if for a couple seconds, Raph awkwardly tries to work into the conversation why they even need all four black hole pieces. It was something that needed addressing, really, but it almost feels like they had a full episode, but decided to add that extra little bit in there in a random location.

Sounds like a small complaint, but it happens so often in this season so far it kills me.

The writing on the characters has gotten pretty bad, too. I'm going to use Raph as my example, here. I realize he's gotten the short end of the stick pretty much the entirety of the show, but it sticks out like a short thumb now that they're sort of trying. Raph's arc this season (yeah, a character other than Leo gets an ARC in this show. Crazy, right?!) is his romance with Mona Lisa. This romance is pretty terribly written (partly due to how awkward it is), but besides that, it shows Raph's soft side. A good idea in theory, to be sure. But if this Raph would just, even once in awhile, just kick some a$$, like, y'know, the character of Raphael, it would make the character interesting.

It's incredible, you know? They're actually trying to make this character interesting, but forgot the part where they're supposed play up his damn personality. The last time I saw Raph kick any a$$ (other than last week's episode, which was kind of a cop-out and felt extremely annoying, since he had to suffer through an entire episode of not being able to fight and only fighting in the end because "Awww Mona loves him." Writers, this is what you're SUPPOSED to do with Raphael, just not like this), was, I believe, Vision Quest. One, that was a whole season ago. And two, every Turtle kicked a$$ in that episode, and honestly, Raph seemed kinda like a fizzle in comparison.

They act like anyone watching this show would know Raph's temper from previous episodes, but it doesn't show in previous episodes (unless you want to go ALL THE WAY BACK to Season 1). They act like they're being so clever with the jokes towards Raph, and yet they forgot the first half of their joke.

And that's just ONE CHARACTER. That could be applied to every existing character. Hell, I feel they even screwed up Dregg and sort of screwed up Armaggon. I mean, I could go on and on, but this post is already way too long. Basically, my point is, Season 4 of this show feels like the final nail in the coffin of what had the potential to be a truly great show at one time.

[snake]

I'd take rebels over post S2 turtles anyday. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy turtles, but Rebels is taken much more seriously (most of the time).

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

The writing, for one, has gotten incredibly jerky and awkward. Many times there have been scenes where something to do with exposition gets addressed, which is fine. We don't want something that needs to be addressed not get addressed, right? The problem is, it's done in such an incredibly forced way almost every time. One example that jumps at me is at the beginning of Transdimensional Turtles (the only episode of this season I've felt like rewatching besides The Arena of Carnage so far), where, in a scene that completely slows down the flow of the episode, even if for a couple seconds, Raph awkwardly tries to work into the conversation why they even need all four black hole pieces. It was something that needed addressing, really, but it almost feels like they had a full episode, but decided to add that extra little bit in there in a random location.

How has the writing gotten awkward? Literally every episode of the space arc follows proper structure and storytelling. I don't care for the Mona Lisa shipping, but even that didn't majorly affect more than one episode.

And that's just ONE CHARACTER. That could be applied to every existing character. Hell, I feel they even screwed up Dregg and sort of screwed up Armaggon. I mean, I could go on and on, but this post is already way too long. Basically, my point is, Season 4 of this show feels like the final nail in the coffin of what had the potential to be a truly great show at one time.

LOL, what? How did they screw up Dregg or Armaggon? Both have been interesting and entertaining villains. I'm baffled what it is you're complaining about. Armaggon is a bounty hunter and Dregg is an alien (or robot?) that wants revenge on the Turtles and does a good job at doing that.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Words

I gave it my three tries I give every show when it started. If it can't hook me in 3 episodes, I have better things to do.

It doesn't help that I find 90% of Star Wars boring anyway.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

I gave it my three tries I give every show when it started. If it can't hook me in 3 episodes, I have better things to do.

It doesn't help that I find 90% of Star Wars boring anyway.

Ah, fair enough.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How has the writing gotten awkward? Literally every episode of the space arc follows proper structure and storytelling. I don't care for the Mona Lisa shipping, but even that didn't majorly affect more than one episode.

Well, seeing as how I went into a paragraph or two on exactly how the writing has gotten awkward, "How has the writing gotten awkward?" is a pretty ignorant question to ask. Also, I never said the structure was awkward, just the writing in general. I even went through examples and everything, man. Come on. It's no wonder you seem to be ignorant to everyone's arguments. You don't even bother to read them.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

LOL, what? How did they screw up Dregg or Armaggon? Both have been interesting and entertaining villains. I'm baffled what it is you're complaining about. Armaggon is a bounty hunter and Dregg is an alien (or robot?) that wants revenge on the Turtles and does a good job at doing that.

There's a difference between "interesting ideas" and "interesting executions." Simply put, Dregg just isn't a menacing villain, his motive is paper-thin, and there really just isn't much to his character outside of "he's evil and he wants revenge on the Turtles." Armaggon, while handled a lot better than Dregg (and most new characters on the show recently), doesn't really have much going for him outside his debut episode. Notice how he was basically reduced to a Tiger Claw level of "Not doing a goddamn thing" last episode? Might just be me, but I think those are pretty lazy wastes of overall potentially great characters.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Well, seeing as how I went into a paragraph or two on exactly how the writing has gotten awkward, "How has the writing gotten awkward?" is a pretty ignorant question to ask. Also, I never said the structure was awkward, just the writing in general. I even went through examples and everything, man. Come on. It's no wonder you seem to be ignorant to everyone's arguments. You don't even bother to read them.

Not really, most of your post was about Raph/Mona Lisa. I understand not liking that, but if you're talking about the plots of the actual episodes, what happens in them, etc...what is it you're complaining about? Most of the space arc episodes are also quite varied from one another too.

There's a difference between "interesting ideas" and "interesting executions." Simply put, Dregg just isn't a menacing villain, his motive is paper-thin, and there really just isn't much to his character outside of "he's evil and he wants revenge on the Turtles."

He's shown to be the head of an insect race that holds siege on other planets (like the salamander world), and his grudge against the Turtles which started off simple evolved into something much more when they kept ruining his plans.

Armaggon, while handled a lot better than Dregg (and most new characters on the show recently), doesn't really have much going for him outside his debut episode. Notice how he was basically reduced to a Tiger Claw level of "Not doing a goddamn thing" last episode? Might just be me, but I think those are pretty lazy wastes of overall potentially great characters.

He's basically a bounty hunter. The writers didn't adapt the time travel element Armaggon had from the Archie comics, so there's not much else they can do with him. He has a good personality and fun design (swimming as a shark in space), so I'm not sure what else they could do with him.

[ABrown]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

You mean the same cartoon where the Turtles barely used their weapons, had no story arcs or major character development, and Shredder and his goon squad weren't even all that intimidating, amongst other things??

And yet here we are, a community that still loves discussing the show nearly 20 years since its final episode aired. Seems to me that they did something right, something that Nickelodeon desperately wishes that they could duplicate.