Anyone else been ROYALLY disappointed with Season 4 thus far?

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I... see no pun.

It's rumored that Dracula will show up next season.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

I was thinking, maybe it might have been better if they simply tied the space arc with searching for April's mom instead of time travel. That way all of those episodes would feel like they have a point instead of something that might feel like it's only set to be undone once they have all of those HoD pieces.

They come across the Utroms while searching for April's mom. They piss off the Triceraton Empire while searching for April's mom. And they have some of their (not all, since not all seem that good) zany adventures whilst searching for April's mom.

Not a time travel arc that will feel pointless once they get the final piece and possibly undo whatever transpired within the last 6 months.

I don't feel it's pointless. I mean the Turtles are seeking out the heart of darkness pieces so they can prevent history from occurring. But we know history will have to repeat itself when all is said and done. The Turtles will lose the heart of darkness to the Triceraton's and the Triceraton's will attack earth with it. But this time, we are seeing a side that we never witnessed beforehand.


Kinda like the climactic moment of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. There is one side of the story the main trio witness and they think things have happened a certain way. Ending with Harry's life being saved by someone who he assumes is his father. But then Harry and Hermoine go back in time several hours and Harry realizes he had saved himself.


One point of history reoccurring is Transdimensional Turtles. The point when the Turtles return to earth in that episode is actually set during the Turtles in Time/ Tale of the Youkai episode.

In Tale of the Youkai the turtles wanted to prevent Tang Shen's death, they wanted to save Karai from being abducted by the Shredder. But the only person they could save was Splinter.

So sadly Tang Shen was meant to die and Miwa had to become an enemy for a time. If one or both of them had remained, Splinter would have had no need to journey to New York and/or acquire the Turtles. He had only traveled to New York because it was a place Tang Shen had mentioned she had wanted to see and there was nothing tying him to Japan anymore except painful memories.

But this also conveniently gets the Turtles of Present out of the present time line. While the Future Turtles arrive in New York to prevent their dimensions destruction. Future Leo has a moment where he tries to warn Splinter about the events that will occur. But is interrupted when there is a screech coming from the lab courtesy of Donatello.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

*high five* Nice someone else likes puns here.

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

It's rumored that Dracula will show up next season.

I like puns as much as the next guy, probably even more, but I was definitely not making one.

[Technogeek29]

That makes it even better.

[Zulithe]

It's had ups and downs, but I think this season was really necessary to change the pace. So once the turtles finally do get back to earth again, things will feel fresh again.

I don't think the execution of Turtles in Space has been as strong as I'd hoped... but it has given us some good new characters and villains like Wyrm and Mona.

[Diorm]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What were we getting back in NYC? Mostly mutant of the week episodes inbetween the big Shredder episodes. So what's the difference?

OMG I was so tired of that! If only there was strong human characters that never mutate that would be great. Making it more... Ninja like episodes or gangs in the streets... But that would not be kid friendly and they couldnt sell more mutant toys...
I miss the 4kids show

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Aside from the Mona Lisa shipping, I've yet to see anyone provide any real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. People keep claiming "fillers" yet there were only like 2-3 real fillers at most, like the Wyrm ep, maybe the Bellybomb ep, etc. and they weren't bad eps at all.

You won't listen to a single person here when they give you a real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. Hence why you can't think of one.

[Splinter the boss]

I haven't been disappointed with the season, just Dregg, he is not that threatening. I miss Shredder, the triceratons on the other hand are doing fine.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

I haven't been disappointed with the season, just Dregg, he is not that threatening. I miss Shredder, the triceratons on the other hand are doing fine.

Yeah, Dregg had a great design but he's been crap. I've totally hated him ever since the "go Dregg go" malarkey from last week.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if the Dregg from last week was a robot. The one in today's episode made no mention of being mechanical or anything. Also this version of Dregg is less competent than the OT version, but does it matter? Its a different take on the character. I like him well enough

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

You won't listen to a single person here when they give you a real reason why the space arc hasn't been executed well. Hence why you can't think of one.

I have read all the posts, and I still don't get it. Every episode of the space arc provided something new, had well done plots, and good landscapes/enviornments because each planet was fairly different. We get spaceship battles, laser gun fights, etc. we couldn't get on Earth.

The Mona Lisa shipping was the only real bad part of this arc, other than that I have no complaints.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I have read all the posts, and I still don't get it. Every episode of the space arc provided something new, had well done plots, and good landscapes/enviornments because each planet was fairly different. We get spaceship battles, laser gun fights, etc. we couldn't get on Earth.

The Mona Lisa shipping was the only real bad part of this arc, other than that I have no complaints.

Well maybe some people don't feel like those plots are done well...maybe some people don't like the way some characters are being developed or portrayed...maybe some people would rather the show concentrate on a well written story than laser battles and fights....maybe just cause something is new doesn't make it better for some people....maybe people are tired of space?? XD

we all have different opinions.

It's okay not to agree......

[Powder]

Ellipsis ahoy!

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Powder

Ellipsis ahoy!

Yup I like using them

[FlawedCoil82]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people don't know what you want.

You complain about too many mutant episodes in NY. Then you complain about too many Kraang episodes. Then you complain about the Northampton arc. Then you complain about the space arc. Next you'll be complaining about Season 5's traveling arc.

You people don't know what you want.

I know exactly what I want. I want to see loveable ninja turtles fighting and testing their skills against equally talented martial artists. I have said over and over on this forum that I do not like seeing the turtles battle monsters, robots, mutants or superheroes because in all those cases, their ninja fighting skills have less impact and are not nearly as interesting to watch when the enemies can not respond back the same way. Sure, aliens have technology for ray blasters and such, but unless those rayblasters can turn the aliens into skilled ninjas then I have no interest in seeing it. I was bored when the turtles went to space in the 4Kids show, I was bored when the IDW comics sent the turtles to "Planet Neutrino" and I am bored when Nickelodeon sent the turtles to space. I simply find the turtles fighting anything less than other ninjas very boring. Episodes where they fight Shredder or Karai always seem to be the highlights because the turtles are fighting enemies that are equally on par with them and you know the fight can go either way, which makes it much more exciting to watch.

The first several episodes of Seasons 3 and 4 have both been brutal in terms to how little they match with what I know I want to see. The only positive I can give is that at least Season 4 has had a couple episodes sprinkled in that were interesting, whereas Season 3 was utterly unwatchable until "Vision Quest".

[Powder]

Originally Posted by FlawedCoil82

I simply find the turtles fighting anything less than other ninjas very boring.

There's not a whole lot of TMNT media that matches up with that. A few Mirage comics, the first film, little else. How into the property can you be when they've been fighting monsters & robots for 30 years?

[FlawedCoil82]

Originally Posted by Powder

There's not a whole lot of TMNT media that matches up with that. A few Mirage comics, the first film, little else. How into the property can you be when they've been fighting monsters & robots for 30 years?

I guess I should have said "other fighters". If the enemies the turtles are fighting can actually put up a good fight with their own fighting techniques that arent necessarily the exact same martial arts (without hiding behind ray blasters, guns, being a much larger size, superpowers, ect.) then it can hold my interest more. But Shredder, Karai, Hun, Chris Bradford (pre-mutation) and The Foot (before they were robots) are most definitely the characters who give the turtles the best challenges that I enjoy watching.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by FlawedCoil82

I know exactly what I want. I want to see loveable ninja turtles fighting and testing their skills against equally talented martial artists. I have said over and over on this forum that I do not like seeing the turtles battle monsters, robots, mutants or superheroes because in all those cases, their ninja fighting skills have less impact and are not nearly as interesting to watch when the enemies can not respond back the same way. Sure, aliens have technology for ray blasters and such, but unless those rayblasters can turn the aliens into skilled ninjas then I have no interest in seeing it. I was bored when the turtles went to space in the 4Kids show, I was bored when the IDW comics sent the turtles to "Planet Neutrino" and I am bored when Nickelodeon sent the turtles to space. I simply find the turtles fighting anything less than other ninjas very boring. Episodes where they fight Shredder or Karai always seem to be the highlights because the turtles are fighting enemies that are equally on par with them and you know the fight can go either way, which makes it much more exciting to watch.

The first several episodes of Seasons 3 and 4 have both been brutal in terms to how little they match with what I know I want to see. The only positive I can give is that at least Season 4 has had a couple episodes sprinkled in that were interesting, whereas Season 3 was utterly unwatchable until "Vision Quest".

That's pretty weird then. As Powder said, in every TMNT series the Turtles spent more time fighting aliens, mutants, monsters, etc. than other martial artists. Even in Mirage there aren't many Foot fights outside the big issues.

In 4kids outside the big Shredder episodes they were always fighting creatures.

[picassotheninjaturtle]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

It's rumored that Dracula will show up next season.

Oh yeah, an episode titled "The Crypt of Dracula" wont have anything to do with Dracula...

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by picassotheninjaturtle

Oh yeah, an episode titled "The Crypt of Dracula" wont have anything to do with Dracula...

Thank you for telling me, Next time try to be less of an asshole about it.

[Powder]

All the 14 year olds on this forum are going through their asshole phase right now. Puberty hits like an abusive father.