The Space Arc Being a Stable Time Loop?

matteso586 · 04-18-2016, 07:42 PM

Since about the start of season 4, I've been thinking that the whole arc is one of those stable time loops (like in Futurama). Do you think that it could be true?

In case you don't know what a stable time loop is, here's a link that explains it. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...StableTimeLoop

tmntsplinterfan1997 · 04-18-2016, 07:57 PM

You do know that a black hole prevents time travel.

~~TMNTInsighter~~ · 04-19-2016, 07:12 AM

I thought "Tale of the Yokai" already established this.

matteso586 · 04-19-2016, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

I thought "Tale of the Yokai" already established this.

True, but the Space arc could be another one. Remember how there are different causes of time travel in Futurama?

*Utrommaniac* · 04-19-2016, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by matteso586

True, but the Space arc could be another one. Remember how there are different causes of time travel in Futurama?

You could be the consort of the Queen of England!

So far, they seem to be doing fairly okay, since they've basically just shown us how the Triceratons got the pieces in the first place.

Splinter the boss · 04-19-2016, 02:40 PM

I voted yes, however if it is a time loop, how did the Triceratons not recognize the turtles when they attacked in the first place?

*victory_angel* · 04-19-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Splinter the boss

I voted yes, however if it is a time loop, how did the Triceratons not recognize the turtles when they attacked in the first place?

That was probably what that amusing information was. Seeing the Turtles battling on earth, so Mozar realizes the Turtles trying to stop them are a copy from the future where Earth has been destroyed.

matteso586 · 04-19-2016, 07:45 PM

Here are my reasons for thinking it could be a time loop.

1) Bishop somehow knew that the Triceratons are coming to Earth in Annihilation Earth. He probably learned that in The War for Dimension X. Could Bishop possess that kind of foresight?

2) The ending scene in Transdimensional Turtles implies that Tiger Claw used the portal gun to get back to his dimension.

3) Mozar somehow knows that human beings (some actually) pollute their own planet, without the use of mutagen.

4) Most confusing of all. If Earth was destroyed, how are Renet, Lord Simultaneous, and Savanti able to exist? We may be under the presumption that the Heart of Darkness is not what it seems.

matteso586 · 04-19-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

You could be the consort of the Queen of England!

I remember that one. The only time travel episode that doesn't have that kind of time loop.

~~ABrown~~ · 04-20-2016, 12:50 PM

So wait. Are we asking if this is going to end with the Earth does actually get destroyed and Splinter dying? Because if that's the case, then no. Absolutely not. The Earth will not ending up getting destroyed, and Master Splinter will not be dead.

*neatoman* · 04-20-2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

You could be the consort of the Queen of England!

Not so sure that's something anyone wants, just look at her.

Spoiler:

*Vicky82* · 04-20-2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

So wait. Are we asking if this is going to end with the Earth does actually get destroyed and Splinter dying? Because if that's the case, then no. Absolutely not. The Earth will not ending up getting destroyed, and Master Splinter will not be dead.

No that's not what the poll is asking.

It's about if the Space arc is on a stable time loop but as i'm not a time travel fan and no expert someone else who is a time travel fan can explain.

*Vicky82* · 04-20-2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Not so sure that's something anyone wants, just look at her.

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There's nothing wrong with her, she is 90.

~~ABrown~~ · 04-20-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

No that's not what the poll is asking.

It's about if the Space arc is on a stable time loop but as i'm not a time travel fan and no expert someone else who is a time travel fan can explain.

I'm definitely not a time travel expert. But everything that I'm reading in that link would lead up to the turtles not having changed anything:

"Through Applied Phlebotinum, Functional Magic, or some other means, our heroes travel back to the past. In the past, they wind up being responsible for the very events that underpin their own "present." This creates a chicken-and-egg scenario, in which the looping sequence of events has no clear beginning. "

"This is also the basic premise of how Time Travel would work, according to Albert Einstein. Simply put, even if it were possible to travel back in time, you would not be able to change any events in the past, because they've already happened. No matter what your intentions, everything that you did would only fulfill the past. The only thing that would change is your perception of the events."

*neatoman* · 04-20-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

There's nothing wrong with her, she is 90.

Well, not for a 90 year old woman but would you honestly want to be consort of someone who's 90?

*Vicky82* · 04-20-2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Well, not for a 90 year old woman but would you honestly want to be consort of someone who's 90?

Well it depends how much money they have

Chabrendeki · 04-22-2016, 08:40 AM

The new clip and the gifs confirm that the "space arc turtles" meet with the "pre-space-arc turtles" in the next episode. So there will be 8 turtles.

A) What happens if the 8 turtles succeed in preventing the launch of the Black Hole Generator (BHG)?

1) For the rest of the series we will have 8 turtles. (Would be uncomfortable.)
2) the "space arc turtles" will be "fading away", as he don't have any cause anymore in the past for being. (Would be too "Back to the Future")
3) in the fight one version of the turtles has to sacrifice his life. (Would be a forced solution to the real problem.)

B) What can happen if the doubled turtle power isn't enough to stop the Triceratons to launch the BHG?

1) Earth blows up, the pre-space-arc turtles will be rescued by the pre-space-arc Fugitoid and we get a repeat of the space arc forever and ever. (Would be fun. No.)
2) Earth blows up, pre-space-arc turtles go with Fugitoid, but we follow the space arc turtles who go through the "black hole" to another world (another dimension, or a journey beyond, like a Turtle Comedy (cf. Dante...) (Would be cool, but they don't dare)
3) BHG blows up, pre-space-arc turtles follow Fugitoid, but because of some operation or wathever, after the blow the earth is still unharmed, status quo is restored (Splinter dead or alive?). (I think this will happen.)

Remark to B1: after this episode should follow a rerun already... what if they make a rerun of the space arce but instead of this ending after the rerun with a different ending? You know what I mean? Making the rerun steady part of the show as the "history" repeats itself...

(No, they don't dare, would be too postmodern.)

matteso586 · 04-22-2016, 01:34 PM

There goes my theory about the Space arc being a time loop.

~~TMNTInsighter~~ · 04-22-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

So wait. Are we asking if this is going to end with the Earth does actually get destroyed and Splinter dying? Because if that's the case, then no. Absolutely not. The Earth will not ending up getting destroyed, and Master Splinter will not be dead.

It doesn't have to end 100% that way to be a stable time loop. It can still happen but with a few things switched around, not to mention the repercussions/consequences will remain the same.

Bitsy83 · 04-22-2016, 10:00 PM

I'm really confused about past Turtles meeting space Turtles. If the BHG is shut down and everything is back to normal, then the space arc never happened, the space team will fade, and the past team won't know of Mona Lisa, Chompy, and of course, Fugitoid, which is pretty unfair if Fugitoid is the character that will die.

Unless some weird deux ex machina paradox happens which would merge past and space teams together so that the memories of the space turtles are planted in the heads of the past turtles...just seems like a waste for the Turtles to have no memory of the space events.

Not only that, but April's training and amulet will have been wasted potential....

View Poll Results: Do you think the Space Arc is a stable time loop?
Yes	10	71.43%
No	4	28.57%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

04-18-2016, 07:42 PM	#1
matteso586 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 712	The Space Arc Being a Stable Time Loop? Since about the start of season 4, I've been thinking that the whole arc is one of those stable time loops (like in Futurama). Do you think that it could be true? In case you don't know what a stable time loop is, here's a link that explains it. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...StableTimeLoop

04-18-2016, 07:57 PM	#2
tmntsplinterfan1997 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Oakley, CA Posts: 206	You do know that a black hole prevents time travel. __________________ "Focus on the goal at hand." -Master Splinter / Hamato Yoshi

04-19-2016, 02:40 PM	#6
Splinter the boss Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: USA Posts: 938	I voted yes, however if it is a time loop, how did the Triceratons not recognize the turtles when they attacked in the first place? __________________ "I am absolute, lower your head!"

04-22-2016, 08:40 AM	#17
Chabrendeki Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 265	The new clip and the gifs confirm that the "space arc turtles" meet with the "pre-space-arc turtles" in the next episode. So there will be 8 turtles. A) What happens if the 8 turtles succeed in preventing the launch of the Black Hole Generator (BHG)? 1) For the rest of the series we will have 8 turtles. (Would be uncomfortable.) 2) the "space arc turtles" will be "fading away", as he don't have any cause anymore in the past for being. (Would be too "Back to the Future") 3) in the fight one version of the turtles has to sacrifice his life. (Would be a forced solution to the real problem.) B) What can happen if the doubled turtle power isn't enough to stop the Triceratons to launch the BHG? 1) Earth blows up, the pre-space-arc turtles will be rescued by the pre-space-arc Fugitoid and we get a repeat of the space arc forever and ever. (Would be fun. No.) 2) Earth blows up, pre-space-arc turtles go with Fugitoid, but we follow the space arc turtles who go through the "black hole" to another world (another dimension, or a journey beyond, like a Turtle Comedy (cf. Dante...) (Would be cool, but they don't dare) 3) BHG blows up, pre-space-arc turtles follow Fugitoid, but because of some operation or wathever, after the blow the earth is still unharmed, status quo is restored (Splinter dead or alive?). (I think this will happen.) Remark to B1: after this episode should follow a rerun already... what if they make a rerun of the space arce but instead of this ending after the rerun with a different ending? You know what I mean? Making the rerun steady part of the show as the "history" repeats itself... (No, they don't dare, would be too postmodern.) __________________

04-19-2016, 07:12 AM	#3
~~TMNTInsighter~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: South Carolina Posts: 429	I thought "Tale of the Yokai" already established this.

04-19-2016, 07:45 PM	#8
matteso586 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 712	Here are my reasons for thinking it could be a time loop. 1) Bishop somehow knew that the Triceratons are coming to Earth in Annihilation Earth. He probably learned that in The War for Dimension X. Could Bishop possess that kind of foresight? 2) The ending scene in Transdimensional Turtles implies that Tiger Claw used the portal gun to get back to his dimension. 3) Mozar somehow knows that human beings (some actually) pollute their own planet, without the use of mutagen. 4) Most confusing of all. If Earth was destroyed, how are Renet, Lord Simultaneous, and Savanti able to exist? We may be under the presumption that the Heart of Darkness is not what it seems.

04-20-2016, 12:50 PM	#10
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	So wait. Are we asking if this is going to end with the Earth does actually get destroyed and Splinter dying? Because if that's the case, then no. Absolutely not. The Earth will not ending up getting destroyed, and Master Splinter will not be dead.

04-22-2016, 01:34 PM	#18
matteso586 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 712	There goes my theory about the Space arc being a time loop.

04-22-2016, 10:00 PM	#20
Bitsy83 Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: My house Posts: 266	I'm really confused about past Turtles meeting space Turtles. If the BHG is shut down and everything is back to normal, then the space arc never happened, the space team will fade, and the past team won't know of Mona Lisa, Chompy, and of course, Fugitoid, which is pretty unfair if Fugitoid is the character that will die. Unless some weird deux ex machina paradox happens which would merge past and space teams together so that the memories of the space turtles are planted in the heads of the past turtles...just seems like a waste for the Turtles to have no memory of the space events. Not only that, but April's training and amulet will have been wasted potential....