Sony Pictures Entertainment Brings Marvel Studios Into The Amazing World Of Spider-Ma

[TurtleTitan97]

Tony is probably gonna play the same role that Nick Fury did for Peter in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. I'd be okay with that.

[TigerClaw]

I'm sure Tony Stark will have a hand in creating Spider-Man's suit.

[Foombamaroom]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I'm sure Tony Stark will have a hand in creating Spider-Man's suit.

You're on the right track, pal, just not for this movie.

Spoiler:

Spider-Man's suit in Civil War is really homemade, but the one that we saw in the trailer is the one Tony made for him.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

Dude, calm down. We have no idea how big Robert Downey Jr.'s part is. It could be as simple as a mentoring type thing, or it could be a rival to Oscorp.

Marvel's proven time and time again that they know what they're doing. It's time to sit back and let them do their jobs.

Jeez, this is part of the reason I never get on the 'Drome anymore. Everyone's so pessimistic towards everything.

Well, not every time. <cough> Thor 1 and 2 <cough> Iron Man 3 <cough>

But yeah, I trust them. It's making me as a guy who hates Spiderman want to see Spiderman.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The more I hear about this, the less likely I'm going to even like this movie. It's obvious they're going the New Avenger/Ultimate Spidey cartoon route with the character I've long despised where, instead of existing outside the fringes of the superhero community, he's embraced fully by it. It's a vision that led the character to ruin from 2006 onwards. There's going to be a whole generation of idiot kids who think this is how Spider-Man should always be.

I'm pretty glad Marvel wrapped up the story of MY Spider-Man with the Spider-Girl series, where none of this s*it ever happened to him, and he lived a perfect everyman life well into his retirement years.(And no, whatever happened in Spider-Verse did'nt count either according to Spider-Girl's creators, in fact, their one story for the event goes and points that out explicitly)

They might be going the "Ultimate Spider-Man" Comic route where spiderman sees Tony Stark as a Mentor.

[AT-Man]

Ya'll need a big bowl of Booty-O's!

[NinjaPug]

Including his cameo in The Incredible Hulk, RDJ will have played Stark in 10 movies by the end of Phase 3 of the MCU.

There is speculation that Keaton turned the movie down because Sony couldn't meet his price after paying RDJ.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Foombamaroom

Marvel's proven time and time again that they know what they're doing

Marvel movies get s*it wrong virtually every time, and they're unfortunately rewarded with it because Marvel fans are easily pleased little lambs who flock to everything if it looks pretty. Their villains are never credible threats, their plots are mediocre, they put creative restrictions on their directors and drive most of them away, they could'nt give their go-to guy Downey a decent enough trilogy of his own. The only movies they've ever done right have been the Cap films, and even the first one was pretty average. Incredible Hulk is decent too...up until the last act anyway.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It's making me as a guy who hates Spiderman want to see Spiderman.

Which right there is the problem. When you start tailoring the character more for people who don't "get" or truly appreciate Spider-Man, you're not doing him justice for any of his actual fans. Just the same as TMNT movies now are'nt catering to people who "get" or appreciate the Turtles in their original format (although I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon)

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Which right there is the problem. When you start tailoring the character more for people who don't "get" or truly appreciate Spider-Man, you're not doing him justice for any of his actual fans. Just the same as TMNT movies now are'nt catering to people who "get" or appreciate the Turtles in their original format (although I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon)

They did Spider-Man and Peter Parker justice in the short time he's in Civil War. It's about time someone got both characters right. Hope that carries over to his solo film.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

They did Spider-Man and Peter Parker justice in the short time he's in Civil War. It's about time someone got both characters right. Hope that carries over to his solo film.

Can I assume you saw an advanced screening? The only spoiler I am looking for is how much screen time will Spider-Man/Peter Parker get?

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Marvel movies get s*it wrong virtually every time, and they're unfortunately rewarded with it because Marvel fans are easily pleased little lambs who flock to everything if it looks pretty.

Y'know, I'm getting annoyed with this statement being tossed around as liberally as it is. It's insulting to anyone who likes the movies. Can't people just walk out of Ant-Man and go "Yeah, that was pretty fun" without being called "easily pleased little lambs" anymore?

I'm a DC guy, through and through. I stopped reading Marvel just after the Maximum Carnage (I think it was around Venom: Separation Anxiety). So make no mistake, I have no blind spot for Marvel movies. But I find that they're consistently fun movies. Whats so wrong about that?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Their villains are never credible threats

Based on the general feedback, it seems all the "easily pleased sheep" you speak of agree that all the villains are one dimensional and flat. If they were easily pleased, shouldn't they be loving all the villains?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

their plots are mediocre

Some are, yup. (Ant-Man being the biggest offender.) But I wouldn't say all of them.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

they put creative restrictions on their directors and drive most of them away.

This is also true, but all studios put restrictions on their directors. And I don't remember the Marvel sheep screaming "good riddance!" to Edgar Wright or Joss Whedon upon their departure. Also, "most"? That's two. You forget Favreau left on his own accord.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

they could'nt give their go-to guy Downey a decent enough trilogy of his own.

Also something Marvel fans agree on. Say... you're not a sheep too, are you?!

This is my biggest issue with the whole "all marvel fans are sheep" mentality: they all share the same issues with people who actively call them sheep, but still find something to enjoy about the movies.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Can I assume you saw an advanced screening? The only spoiler I am looking for is how much screen time will Spider-Man/Peter Parker get?

I did.

Spoiler:

Peter only has a ~ 5 minute scene with Aunt May and primarily Tony Stark. Spider-Man is only involved in the airport fight scene but he's so awesome in it. I'm really excited for his solo film next year after seeing him in CW.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Y'know, I'm getting annoyed with this statement being tossed around as liberally as it is. It's insulting to anyone who likes the movies. Can't people just walk out of Ant-Man and go "Yeah, that was pretty fun" without being called "easily pleased little lambs" anymore?

Getting annoyed with that is actually healthy, as it means if you don't want to be folded into that crowd, you've got to fight for better qualities and stand up to the machine rather than constantly praise it for playing the same broken record time and again all in the name of "fun" and a "good time", you ought to be striving to think more with these movies. Marvel comics never used to be as brainless as they sadly are now. They had sincerity, they could heal you, they could harm you, they could toy with you emotionally. I have not seen anything like that from most of the movies, even the more compelling ones, because it's all jokes and jabs.

I'm a DC guy

So am I, which is why I was gutted with Dawn of Justice going down the path that it did. DC are making a lot of mistakes at the moment, but I look at their tv shows and some of their comics and it baffles me why Marvel are much more successful. DC's shows are more fun, have more heart and consequence, sure they're too soapy, but it's better than Marvel movies having virtually none of that. Could Spider-Man break the mould? Hopefully so.

And no, just because it's "fun" doesn't mean it's "good". Have a fun time sure, but these movies need to be more than that. Come away with a nuanced and multi-choice dish, not a Happy Meal

Based on the general feedback, it seems all the "easily pleased sheep" you speak of agree that all the villains are one dimensional and flat. If they were easily pleased, shouldn't they be loving all the villains?

Do they do anything about it? Do they raise their voice at cons? No, they applause the latest bit of footage at comic con, post a billion reaction videos on Youtube saying how "awesome" the same thing is, and say "bless you sir, may I have another"

This is my biggest issue with the whole "all marvel fans are sheep" mentality: they all share the same issues with people who actively call them sheep, but still find something to enjoy about the movies.

They do nothing about it and reward mediocrity every single time. They may say something later, but that's only after they've bought a ticket.

Play New Kids albums backwards, they sound better[/Bill Hicks]

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Which right there is the problem. When you start tailoring the character more for people who don't "get" or truly appreciate Spider-Man, you're not doing him justice for any of his actual fans. Just the same as TMNT movies now are'nt catering to people who "get" or appreciate the Turtles in their original format (although I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon)

You're not seriously going to defend the Raimi trilogy, are you? There's so much cheese in that series I developed high cholesterol just watching the trailers. And the Amazing movies... I couldn't make it through those either.

If I'm going to watch a movie about an awkward high-schooler with superpowers, I'd like the main actor to be believable as an awkward high-schooler. Macguire and Garfield both didn't cut it... whereas in approximately five seconds of footage, Civil War has shown that Spiderman is: a believable teenager. Overawed at his heroes, and yet doing hero things.

Ye gods, the world is backwards when I'm defending Spiderman. This sh!t ain't right.

One last point: I've got serious problems with the MCU myself, and have never shied away from loudly listing my grievances. But if there's one thing they've done well, it's casting and portraying their heroes. (Too bad they couldn't keep Norton, but that's a different kettle of angry fish...)

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

If I'm going to watch a movie about an awkward high-schooler with superpowers, I'd like the main actor to be believable as an awkward high-schooler. Macguire and Garfield both didn't cut it... whereas in approximately five seconds of footage, Civil War has shown that Spiderman is: a believable teenager. Overawed at his heroes, and yet doing hero things.

^This x1000

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You're not seriously going to defend the Raimi trilogy, are you?

Not all of them, no, but something like Spider-Man 2 minus the irritation of Dunst and MacGuire would be nice.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I don't mind Out of the Shadows much because I grew up on the 80's toon

Adding Rocksteady and Bebop, Krang and the Technodrome, and a lighter tone doesn't necessarily make this like the 80s toon, alone. From what it looks to be, it seems like it's going for a sense of humor that seems more forced than last time around.

[CyberCubed]

Spiderman 1 and 2 were critically acclaimed.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

You've got to fight for better qualities and stand up to the machine rather than constantly praise it for playing the same broken record time and again all in the name of "fun" and a "good time", you ought to be striving to think more with these movies.

But what if this "broken record" keeps playing exactly what you want out of it to different degrees of success?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

They had sincerity, they could heal you, they could harm you, they could toy with you emotionally. I have not seen anything like that from most of the movies, even the more compelling ones, because it's all jokes and jabs.

There's a whole lot of heart in the Marvel movies that I think you're purposely ignoring if all you see is jabs and jokes. Would I like to see some advanced storytelling? Sure. But what they're doing isn't bad, either. I think the worst criticism you can give them is they're playing it safe too often, but honestly, take a step back and look at the picture as a whole. There's a ton of moving cogs in play, with plenty more to be introduced in the future. You got political thrillers, heists, space odysseys, magic realms, civil wars...

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So am I, which is why I was gutted with Dawn of Justice going down the path that it did.

So, you saw it, right? Even though all the trailers shouted at you "this is going to be a big disaster!" you still went and checked it out? Of course you did. Same here. If you slap a Superman logo on something, chances are I'll give it a shot, despite any reservations I may have. Ditto with Marvel fans and their Marvel movies. So, whats the difference?

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

And no, just because it's "fun" doesn't mean it's "good". Have a fun time sure, but these movies need to be more than that. Come away with a nuanced and multi-choice dish, not a Happy Meal.

Superhero movies should be fun. They're bright colourful characters with vibrant personalities who shoot laserbeams and lift mountains. Even the darker characters should have a sense of fun to it without sacrificing their tone. And I'd say each Marvel entry has done a good sense in establishing it's own tone while keeping a unity between them.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Do they do anything about it? Do they raise their voice at cons? No, they applause the latest bit of footage at comic con, post a billion reaction videos on Youtube saying how "awesome" the same thing is, and say "bless you sir, may I have another" They do nothing about it and reward mediocrity every single time.

Mediocrity to you, maybe. But maybe this is exactly what people want out of a superhero movie. Fun, action, drama, high stakes, and a good moral lesson at the end. Yes, some movies excel more than others in different ways, but that doesn't mean you still can't enjoy it as a whole. Personally, I thought Thor 2 was a snooze but there was still some cool **** in there that I feel it warrants a watch.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

They may say something later, but that's only after they've bought a ticket.

Well, yeah. You need to see it to form an opinion. That's how that works.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

^ This 1000%. I agree with you fully Krutch, in how I think a CBM should look, feel, and entertain FIRST, and then maybe if they can make it something meaningful and deep, go for that extra mile. But it's neither necessary, nor even really expected in a movie about guys (and gals!) running around in tights saving the world.