This is how I think Irma is useful.

ticktack · 04-27-2016, 03:52 PM

1. This time in 2012 cartoon Irma represents a smart girl, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show.
2. for a history that's missing women with great intelectual talents and achievements than men who are massively represented worldwide.
3. for nowdays for men, when they appear smart, they think that a girl not yet appearing as much smart, the man thinks it is actually normal for a girl being dumber, and dumber than men. If she is smart then that's not ordinary or wrongfully thought to be rare.

She's pretty, she's nor dumb nor stereotyped ugly nerd overall. She's different now. Irma-the-awesome 2012 .

*Autbot_Benz* · 04-27-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ticktack

1. This time in 2012 cartoon Irma represents a smart girl, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show.
2. for a history that's missing women with great intelectual talents and achievements than men who are massively represented worldwide.
3. for nowdays for men, when they appear smart, they think that a girl not yet appearing as much smart, the man thinks it is actually normal for a girl being dumber, and dumber than men. If she is smart then that's not ordinary or wrongfully thought to be rare.

She's pretty, she's nor dumb nor stereotyped ugly nerd overall. She's different now. Irma-awesome the 2012 .

Irma doesn't exist she is a robotic shell for the Kraang.

ticktack · 04-27-2016, 03:59 PM

Autbot_Benz, if she exists, she is useful.

ticktack · 04-27-2016, 04:03 PM

Off topic, but I, as well, think the same way with <<Big hero 6>>.
Reason again: It represents smart children, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show. Also various race involved.

*neatoman* · 04-27-2016, 04:03 PM

... Uh, ticktack, how many episodes have you watched? We've known since the end of season two that Irma was an android body for Kraang Sub-Prime. In addition to that, any notion of there being a "real" Irma was smashed when it turned out Sub-Prime stole the design from the Utrom council member Rook.

*Utrommaniac* · 04-27-2016, 04:09 PM

If they were to re-employ Irma as a character and April's friend, the best way to go about it would be for Rook to claim the part - maybe even letting April and the others call her Irma "just because". Granted, "Irma" would still be an interdimensional alien, but she would be more authentic than SubPrime was.

Irma was only ever a disguise, and as much as that sucks, that's just the way it happened. Tumblring around that twist is not going to change that.

The Happy One · 04-27-2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ticktack

1. This time in 2012 cartoon Irma represents a smart girl, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show.
2. for a history that's missing women with great intelectual talents and achievements than men who are massively represented worldwide.
3. for nowdays for men, when they appear smart, they think that a girl not yet appearing as much smart, the man thinks it is actually normal for a girl being dumber, and dumber than men. If she is smart then that's not ordinary or wrongfully thought to be rare.

She's pretty, she's nor dumb nor stereotyped ugly nerd overall. She's different now. Irma-the-awesome 2012 .

Hmmm...that's nice and all, but she's dead...in fact 'Irma' never existed.

I thought that was kinda established a while ago, Tick.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-27-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ticktack

Autbot_Benz, if she exists, she is useful.

You've got the attention of René Descartes, I'm sure.

srmff · 04-27-2016, 05:40 PM

Irma isn't needed as a role model to children. Children know the difference between the real world and fiction. I know plenty of pretty and smart girls. Girls tend to do better in school than boys and that's not a case of girls being smarter than guys. It's merely just girls working hard and applying themselves to a subject. For a lot of girls they see their intelligence as part of their identity and they like to live up to it. In a similar way to weight. If a girl doesn't feel smart, she feels worse about herself. If a girl does badly in school it tends to affect them more than guys.

If anything it's the guys who need more male role models who are smart and aren't made fun of for being smart. Guys tend to want to be athletic and have a good time with friends. They want to be laid back about it. Guys just seem to have a way of getting by without doing much. In the end I know plenty of smart guys and girls. Back in my school year we all knew who the smartest person in the class was and it was a girl. No guy felt smarter or superior to her and I've never come across a guy that made me feel like that. I honestly don't know where this stuff comes from or people just accept this as the truth for some reason to make it seem like women aren't being treated the same as men so people can still say there's a lack of gender equality. Of course I'm speaking in general terms and not all guys and girls are the same. There are plenty of girls who are only in college for a good time and partying and don't care about exams as long as they pass. Just like there are guys who do work hard and achieve the best that they possibly can.

I just can't fathom why people keep clinging onto this character. Okay she was smart but she was also annoying. She never added anything to the story. She was just the friend who didn't do anything. Making her Subprime was probably the best use of the character. It was nice to know that April had a friend at school but she has Casey now so she's not alone. It's not as if the show's about April anyway. I just don't feel that it's necessary to have an extra character that doesn't do anything but takes up time just to reach some gender quota.

*Utrommaniac* · 04-27-2016, 05:52 PM

I absolutely agree; I don't even see how she was "nerdy", besides the way she dressed and wore glasses. Intelligence is not synonymous with nerdiness, and she only had her intelligence because she was just a disguise for SubPrime.
Sure, there are some flaws with the reveal, like how he was spying on her before the time was right, but it would have been the plan all along.

My big issue with the SubPrime Was Irma All Along is that April was never given the chance to deal with it. She was never able to eventually come down to the point where she could be upset that her friend had been a spy the whole time. And considering the female friendship, she probably told Irma-SubPrime a lot of...personal information that he would never be able to cleanse from his mind. Naturally, this would be embarrassing for April as well.

ticktack · 04-27-2016, 05:56 PM

Srmff, We don't live under gender quota, in fact we live getting inspired.

ticktack · 04-27-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

You've got the attention of René Descartes, I'm sure.

And he's got mine. Actually, what are you trying to tell me?

I'm curious. ^_^
P.S. Text me.

matteso586 · 04-27-2016, 07:51 PM

Want my opinion? Rook is probably created to be a mix of the trope categories, "Author's Saving Throw", and "Take That Audience".

*ToTheNines* · 04-27-2016, 08:41 PM

I think ticktack is an alcoholic.

*shredder orokusaki* · 04-28-2016, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ticktack

1. This time in 2012 cartoon Irma represents a smart girl, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show.
2. for a history that's missing women with great intelectual talents and achievements than men who are massively represented worldwide.
3. for nowdays for men, when they appear smart, they think that a girl not yet appearing as much smart, the man thinks it is actually normal for a girl being dumber, and dumber than men. If she is smart then that's not ordinary or wrongfully thought to be rare.

She's pretty, she's nor dumb nor stereotyped ugly nerd overall. She's different now. Irma-the-awesome 2012 .

But Irma dones not exist in this series. It was only a Utrom robot and nothign more. Howver ther can be another girl character i mean a new girl character similar to Irma on season 5 or at the end of season 4. Just because Irma dont exist dosent mean that they can not have another character simialr to her.

The Happy One · 04-28-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ticktack

Srmff, We don't live under gender quota, in fact we live getting inspired.

There was, nor is, anything inspiring about Irma. Sure she was smart and made snarky comments, but that was about it. If they kept her that would've been neat- but they didn't and it's been, what-? A year or two now?

She was cool and all but, I really can't fathom how she was inspirational considering we only saw her for a few minutes in like five or so episodes save for the season 2 finale and the Ghost episode. Sorry, Tick, but I don't follow you on this.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 04-28-2016, 07:41 AM

It's still not known if there is a human Irma who the Kraang later decided to disguise at. A Kraang inside a robot would for example smash the Ratking's cage.

srmff · 04-28-2016, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

It's still not known if there is a human Irma who the Kraang later decided to disguise at. A Kraang inside a robot would for example smash the Ratking's cage.

I think that it was revealed that the utrom named Rook came up with the design and that Subprime stole her design. That would mean that it wasn't based on any person since she came up with the design herself. I could be wrong though.

*TurtleTitan97* · 04-28-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

It's still not known if there is a human Irma who the Kraang later decided to disguise at. A Kraang inside a robot would for example smash the Ratking's cage.

Oh good grief, how many times is this show gonna prove to you people that Irma wasn't real in the first place??

She's robot, end of story. Accept it and move on.

MaximeLoonatic · 04-28-2016, 08:46 AM

But she was planned to be human in the first place, and Ciro and Auman hinted that they might bring her back

04-27-2016, 03:52 PM	#1
ticktack Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 423	This is how I think Irma is useful. 1. This time in 2012 cartoon Irma represents a smart girl, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show. 2. for a history that's missing women with great intelectual talents and achievements than men who are massively represented worldwide. 3. for nowdays for men, when they appear smart, they think that a girl not yet appearing as much smart, the man thinks it is actually normal for a girl being dumber, and dumber than men. If she is smart then that's not ordinary or wrongfully thought to be rare. She's pretty, she's nor dumb nor stereotyped ugly nerd overall. She's different now. Irma-the-awesome 2012 . Last edited by ticktack; 04-27-2016 at 03:57 PM.

04-27-2016, 04:09 PM	#6
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	If they were to re-employ Irma as a character and April's friend, the best way to go about it would be for Rook to claim the part - maybe even letting April and the others call her Irma "just because". Granted, "Irma" would still be an interdimensional alien, but she would be more authentic than SubPrime was. Irma was only ever a disguise, and as much as that sucks, that's just the way it happened. Tumblring around that twist is not going to change that. __________________ DeviantART

04-27-2016, 05:52 PM	#10
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	I absolutely agree; I don't even see how she was "nerdy", besides the way she dressed and wore glasses. Intelligence is not synonymous with nerdiness, and she only had her intelligence because she was just a disguise for SubPrime. Sure, there are some flaws with the reveal, like how he was spying on her before the time was right, but it would have been the plan all along. My big issue with the SubPrime Was Irma All Along is that April was never given the chance to deal with it. She was never able to eventually come down to the point where she could be upset that her friend had been a spy the whole time. And considering the female friendship, she probably told Irma-SubPrime a lot of...personal information that he would never be able to cleanse from his mind. Naturally, this would be embarrassing for April as well. __________________ DeviantART

04-27-2016, 03:59 PM	#3
ticktack Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 423	Autbot_Benz, if she exists, she is useful.

04-27-2016, 04:03 PM	#4
ticktack Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 423	Off topic, but I, as well, think the same way with <<Big hero 6>>. Reason again: It represents smart children, education-involved, and for that, pretty good expample for a kid-aimed show. Also various race involved.

04-27-2016, 05:40 PM	#9
srmff Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 189	Irma isn't needed as a role model to children. Children know the difference between the real world and fiction. I know plenty of pretty and smart girls. Girls tend to do better in school than boys and that's not a case of girls being smarter than guys. It's merely just girls working hard and applying themselves to a subject. For a lot of girls they see their intelligence as part of their identity and they like to live up to it. In a similar way to weight. If a girl doesn't feel smart, she feels worse about herself. If a girl does badly in school it tends to affect them more than guys. If anything it's the guys who need more male role models who are smart and aren't made fun of for being smart. Guys tend to want to be athletic and have a good time with friends. They want to be laid back about it. Guys just seem to have a way of getting by without doing much. In the end I know plenty of smart guys and girls. Back in my school year we all knew who the smartest person in the class was and it was a girl. No guy felt smarter or superior to her and I've never come across a guy that made me feel like that. I honestly don't know where this stuff comes from or people just accept this as the truth for some reason to make it seem like women aren't being treated the same as men so people can still say there's a lack of gender equality. Of course I'm speaking in general terms and not all guys and girls are the same. There are plenty of girls who are only in college for a good time and partying and don't care about exams as long as they pass. Just like there are guys who do work hard and achieve the best that they possibly can. I just can't fathom why people keep clinging onto this character. Okay she was smart but she was also annoying. She never added anything to the story. She was just the friend who didn't do anything. Making her Subprime was probably the best use of the character. It was nice to know that April had a friend at school but she has Casey now so she's not alone. It's not as if the show's about April anyway. I just don't feel that it's necessary to have an extra character that doesn't do anything but takes up time just to reach some gender quota.

04-27-2016, 05:56 PM	#11
ticktack Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 423	Srmff, We don't live under gender quota, in fact we live getting inspired.

04-27-2016, 07:51 PM	#13
matteso586 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 712	Want my opinion? Rook is probably created to be a mix of the trope categories, "Author's Saving Throw", and "Take That Audience".

04-27-2016, 08:41 PM	#14
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,345	I think ticktack is an alcoholic.

04-28-2016, 07:41 AM	#17
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	It's still not known if there is a human Irma who the Kraang later decided to disguise at. A Kraang inside a robot would for example smash the Ratking's cage.

04-28-2016, 08:46 AM	#20
MaximeLoonatic Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 285	But she was planned to be human in the first place, and Ciro and Auman hinted that they might bring her back