Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion - Page 17

sethmartin · 04-27-2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

Exactly. In one form or another, it's been a part of every children's cartoon made of the property yet, and each of them has managed to establish that foundation and move on with the story pretty quickly. Nobody's ever been confused by it and nobody's ever found it "too complicated". Not being able to make that work is laziness or incompetence. (Or both.)

The writers wanted to "reinvent" the franchise and found the original origin too complicated to work within their version. Instead of owning it, it's easier to blame the audience as being a bunch of idiots. If they had said: "We wanted a new origin that wasn't tied in with Japan and found the Hamato Yoshi thing to unrealistic to tie in to our generic science lab, evil business man plot" I would have at least respected their honesty. (Sure, I would have rolled my eyes at their lack of creativity) But to blame the audience as being too stupid to understand the storyline of the past is insulting. Especially, since most Ninja Turtles fans are either kids or adults who became fans as kids and understood it perfectly.

Almost an hour of exposition in the 2014 movie to accomplish what Splinter did in two quick flashbacks in the 1990 movie. Which storyline is too complicated?

*IndigoErth* · 04-27-2016, 10:21 PM

Too bad they couldn't have just met in the middle over it and simply changed Yoshi's backstory a bit instead, if they must change things; and he's got more than one version already, so okay, fine. I still think making him a martial arts trained lab tech at least would have been simple enough for them, but no.

Damn it would have been nice to make him the hogosha that rescues and later meets (maybe not until a sequel) the Turtles and Splinter. That might actually have been cool. (edit: The more I think about that the more I want it... Add depth and meaning to it as Yoshi befriends his former lab animals, experiences and expresses regret to them for having experimented on them, etc. Damn simple minded Hollywood that can't come up with things.)

sethmartin · 04-27-2016, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Too bad they couldn't have just met in the middle over it and simply changed Yoshi's backstory a bit instead, if they must change things; and he's got more than one version already, so okay, fine. I still think making him a martial arts trained lab tech at least would have been simple enough for them, but no.

Damn it would have been nice to make him the hogosha that rescues and later meets (maybe not until a sequel) the Turtles and Splinter. That might actually have been cool.

As much as I love my original Turtles origin, I have never had a problem with movies altering the origins of classic characters as long as it works and/or is necessary to make the franchise more current. They altered the Planet of the Apes origin but it worked! They altered Two-Face's origin in "The Dark Knight" and it worked! The changes they made in the 2014 Turtles movie, didn't add anything to the story. The formation of the turtles and Splinter were completely irrelevant to the bad guys motives. Also, no backstory with the Shredder and Splinter and it was never explained how Splinter even knew about the Shredder. If they had at least one shot of Shredder f*cking with Splinter in the cage, at least that would have been something.

*IndigoErth* · 04-27-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sethmartin

If they had at least one shot of Shredder f*cking with Splinter in the cage, at least that would have been something.

"That rat bit me a 15+ years ago, find it and kill it!" A good simple motive for vengeance the Bayites could wrap their heads around.

sethmartin · 04-27-2016, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

"That rat bit me a 15+ years ago, find it and kill it!" A good simple motive for vengeance the Bayites could wrap their heads around.

Maybe Splinter gave him rabies and that's why he has to cover himself in metal armor.

It's stupid, but better than the lack of explanation they gave.

Wolfie65 · 04-29-2016, 08:40 PM

Movie makers altering original material and taking their audiences - especially kids - for a bunch of nincompoops ?
Say 't'ain't so.

The bright side: The worse the movie blows, the sooner it gets to DVD, the sooner I can add another Megan Fox flick to my collection.
It cannot possibly be lamer than Crimes of Fashion and Megs looks pretty good in that one, too.

04-27-2016, 10:21 PM	#322
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Too bad they couldn't have just met in the middle over it and simply changed Yoshi's backstory a bit instead, if they must change things; and he's got more than one version already, so okay, fine. I still think making him a martial arts trained lab tech at least would have been simple enough for them, but no. Damn it would have been nice to make him the hogosha that rescues and later meets (maybe not until a sequel) the Turtles and Splinter. That might actually have been cool. (edit: The more I think about that the more I want it... Add depth and meaning to it as Yoshi befriends his former lab animals, experiences and expresses regret to them for having experimented on them, etc. Damn simple minded Hollywood that can't come up with things.) Last edited by IndigoErth; 04-27-2016 at 10:42 PM.

04-29-2016, 08:40 PM	#326
Wolfie65 Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 182	Movie makers altering original material and taking their audiences - especially kids - for a bunch of nincompoops ? Say 't'ain't so. The bright side: The worse the movie blows, the sooner it gets to DVD, the sooner I can add another Megan Fox flick to my collection. It cannot possibly be lamer than Crimes of Fashion and Megs looks pretty good in that one, too.