Characters that you Hate or don't like

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Boss Nass.

I thought he was one of the only genuinely funny things about TPM.

[CyberCubed]

Nobody said Jar Jar in this thread yet? Unbelieveable.

I also hate the opposing female character who gets in the way of my shippings!!!!!!11111!!!! My OTP must be canon and I will riot in the streets with pitchforks if it isn't!!!

[GoldMutant]

Quite a bit actually from a lot of media, but here are some of the top of my head for now:

Carnage (Spider-Man)- It might be me, but Carnage feels slightly overrated among the rogue gallery. I haven't read a Carnage related comic, but if someone can point out to me if he's more than just a killer I'd greatly appreciate. His design I'll give props towards, but otherwise I don't feel he's done well in terms of other media outside the 90's cartoon. Dangerous I'll admit, but not an enjoyable antagonist, especially compared to Venom and other Spider-Man villains.

Lord Dregg (2012 series only)- It must really suck when you're a villain when you come at the wrong point in time for shows. I liked Dregg in the Fred Wolf era, mostly due in part to Tony Jay being awesome as normal. Sure, he was out of left field to replace Shredder and Krang, but his design was alright and he did up the stakes in the remainder of the show's lifespan. If he had more to do and was fleshed out better, I'd say he's one of my favorite TMNT antagonists, but not this version.

I said it before involving Nick Turtles: Dregg was a horrible addition to the cast. He's overly dramatic with a petty motive of the Turtles ruining a deal he made over spice and swears vengeance. Outside there being no elaboration on the spice (putting aside drug subtlety), he does next to nothing, taking a backseat to the Triceratons. Sure, he threatens Mona Lisa's planet and hires Armaggon, but otherwise he doesn't do much. It gets really bad when one of the recent villains made him a whining baby and he gets frozen after a failed alliance with Mozar. Hoping to God he never returns, writers need to take notes on him.

Most Adam Sandler characters- I liked Happy Gilmore due to nostalgia, but every other role he does I want to punch him in the face. Honestly, why can't he try to attempt to make decent comedy?

Ghetsis (Unova Pokemon games)- Generation 5 is my favorite Pokemon generation due to it's story, excellent new Pokemon, lively music, practically it's the complete package and rank among my favorite games. (Soul Silver is still my favorite, but Black 2 is very close) However, while N and Colress are compelling villains, I can't say the same for Ghetsis. He's got an awesome theme and frightening team, but otherwise he's just not a compelling villain. Not exactly personal hatred, but slight dislike.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Carnage (Spider-Man)- It might be me, but Carnage feels slightly overrated among the rogue gallery. I haven't read a Carnage related comic, but if someone can point out to me if he's more than just a killer I'd greatly appreciate. His design I'll give props towards, but otherwise I don't feel he's done well in terms of other media outside the 90's cartoon. Dangerous I'll admit, but not an enjoyable antagonist, especially compared to Venom and other Spider-Man villains.

I feel like Carnage is the kind of villain who works exactly once. His purpose is to make Venom look like a halfway decent guy by comparison. He was a plot point -- a symbiote in the hands of a deranged serial killer being the one thing that force Spider-Man and Venom into a strange alliance. He's not much of a character beyond that, and IMO they've only very rarely done anything remotely interesting with him past that point. Should've left him dead after he was torn in half in space.

Kind of like Doomsday, from the same era. He serves exactly one purpose, and that's killing Superman. Bringing him back again and again after that is just diminishing returns.

Originally Posted by snake

C'mon, Finn was the best new character in TFA besides Poe.

Yeah, legitimately do not understand the hate for Finn. I found him super endearing. (But to each their own, of course.)

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Bry

Yeah, legitimately do not understand the hate for Finn. I found him super endearing.

I found him to be a racist portrayal of an emasculated beta male archetype. He drinks out of that trough on Jakku like one of the animals, someone else has to give him his name--his whole storyarc could be called "Twelve Years a Space Slave." The promos made him look like a brave action hero, but then the movie shows him getting his ass kicked by everyone. He was also a coward and a liar who was only there to make Rey look like a more competent and awesome protagonist.

And as for Rey, other than the beginning sequences in TFA that show her scavenging for resources, she was too bland to really be all that compelling.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

I found him to be a racist portrayal of an emasculated beta male archetype. He drinks out of that trough on Jakku like one of the animals, someone else has to give him his name--his whole storyarc could be called "Twelve Years a Space Slave." The promos made him look like a brave action hero, but then the movie showing getting his ass kicked by everyone. He was also a coward and a liar who was only there to make Rey look like a more competent and awesome.

And as for Rey, other than the beginning sequences in TFA that show her scavenging for resources, she was too bland to really be all that compelling.

His character arc isn't over yet. He'll be a badass by episode 9. Not everyone is gonna be maRey Sue on day 1. I would've made him more like a brainwashed solider though. Like what the f*ck was up with his willingness to shoot his friends he grew up with immidietly?

Honestly every time I think seriously about TFA I think less of it. I liked Old Han, Luke, the 70s visuals, Poe, BB8, Kylo and that's about it. What a soulless cashgrab piece of sh*t movie.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by snake

Honestly every time I think seriously about TFA I think less of it. I liked Old Han, Luke, the 70s visuals, Poe, BB8, Kylo and that's about it. What a soulless cashgrab piece of sh*t movie.

On this we can agree. Although I think Kylo's helmet never should have come off...

[plastroncafe]

I don't feel qualified to speak on whether Finn is a racial stereotype, though I find it interesting that the First Order has a history of stealing POC children and raising them to always wear white masks. How many non-white faces are hidden under the white helmets of the lower rank Storm Troopers? It's a nice subtle bit of evil foreshadowing that the creators have tossed in there.

I do, however, feel the need to step in to address "beta male" and "cowardice."

If the whole concept of the beta male stems from the understanding of wolf pack behavior, than it's a crock and should be dismissed out of hand.

As for Finn being a coward, that too is a crock. The guy turned away from everyone and everything he ever knew because he realized what they were doing was wrong. That takes courage. Courage doesn't exist without fear. Courage is acting in spite of that fear, which Finn does.

He is, however...a liar. Though, I'm more than willing to give him a pass on that one, in light of his bravery.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

As for Finn being a coward, that too is a crock. The guy turned away from everyone and everything he ever knew because he realized what they were doing was wrong. That takes courage. Courage doesn't exist without fear. Courage is acting in spite of that fear, which Finn does.

He is, however...a liar. Though, I'm more than willing to give him a pass on that one, in light of his bravery.

All that sounds great for a character except you never get that from the movie. Right from the getgo it's WOOOOOOO and DIDDJU SEE THAT as Finn kills the people he grew up with. Finn isn't reluctant at all. It's becoming more and more obvious that Disney put little thought into this movie under the guise that it would sell anyway, which it did. Too bad no one will remember it in 10 years.
John Boyega is a cool dude though.

[Bry]

"Emasculated beta male archetype"?

Again, to each their own. I think he was as much a "badass action hero" as any non-Jedi in this movie/universe. Most characters in these movies get their asses kicked somewhat regularly, or wind up in some grimy situations (often literally). He kicked ass and got his ass kicked. Same can be said for Luke Skywalker in the original movie. It's what made him feel like a Star Wars character to me -- he's not an invincible badass, he's a flawed guy who's thrust into a bad situation and has to find his way to heroism.

And sorry, but I don't think he's any more of a coward and a liar than Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Lando Calrissian, or Rey herself. Each of them had at least a moment where they tried to refuse/run away from the call to action, and each of them had second thoughts, stepped up, and became a hero. It's a pretty common thing for Star Wars characters.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Bry

"Emasculated beta male archetype"?

Again, to each their own. I think he was as much a "badass action hero" as any non-Jedi in this movie/universe. Most characters in these movies get their asses kicked somewhat regularly, or wind up in some grimy situations (often literally). He kicked ass and got his ass kicked. Same can be said for Luke Skywalker in the original movie. It's what made him feel like a Star Wars character to me -- he's not an invincible badass, he's a flawed guy who's thrust into a bad situation and has to find his way to heroism.

And sorry, but I don't think he's any more of a coward and a liar than Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Lando Calrissian, or Rey herself. Each of them had at least a moment where they tried to refuse/run away from the call to action, and each of them turned back. It's a pretty common thing for Star Wars characters.

All this too. His character arc isn't finished. Still, the movie didn't do a good job at fleshing out his (or anyone besides Kylo and Poe's) character.

Finn is a poorly written character, but not for the reasons why people are saying he is

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by snake

All that sounds great for a character except you never get that from the movie. Right from the getgo it's WOOOOOOO and DIDDJU SEE THAT as Finn kills the people he grew up with. Finn isn't reluctant at all. It's becoming more and more obvious that Disney put little thought into this movie under the guise that it would sell anyway, which it did. Too bad no one will remember it in 10 years.
John Boyega is a cool dude though.

Maybe that's how you saw it, but right from the get-go I saw him mourn the loss of a friend. Something that physically marred his perfect facade long before we ever saw his face under the helmet.

He knows exactly what the First Order does, because he's been there. He's seen them do it. And we're lead to believe he had an increasing problem doing it himself up until they land on Jakku.

As for killing his friends...sometimes you have to look out for number 1. Those people were coming for him, and he defended himself.

In conclusion: I disagree, and emasculated beta males don't exist.

[Bry]

I wouldn't even say he's a poorly-written character, really... TFA was just the beginning of his journey. I mean, Luke Skywalker wasn't an especially strong character in the first Star Wars movie alone. I'm sure the next movie will add more depth, just like Empire did.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Maybe that's how you saw it, but right from the get-go I saw him mourn the loss of a friend.

I didn't see him mourning a friend, I saw him going, "Holy **** I'm deep in this sh*t."

Didn't they say that was his first battle or something? Or am I imagining that?

While we're on the subject of TFA, I can't stand BB-8. He's the Jar Jar Binks of TFA.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I didn't see him mourning a friend, I saw him going, "Holy **** I'm deep in this sh*t."

Didn't they say that was his first battle or something? Or am I imagining that?

While we're on the subject of TFA, I can't stand BB-8. He's the Jar Jar Binks of TFA.

You know to be honest, I don't remember. Saw the dang thing twice, and I can't rightly say. I can only recall them saying that they haven't seen this kind of behavior from him before, and that he'll need reconditioning.

I'd also like to submit the majority of the cast of Big Ban Theory to my list of characters I don't like.

[Spike Spiegel]

The storyarc could get better for Finn if they use Empire as a template.

However, things could also get even worse--they might follow the precedent set by Anakin in Attack of the Clones.

Just imagine a whiny Finn beseeching Rey for her love. After all, this is Disney we are talking about. Perhaps we won't have to imagine.

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

While we're on the subject of TFA, I can't stand BB-8. He's the Jar Jar Binks of TFA.

BB-8's performance was better than those of most of the human characters, IMHO.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'd also like to submit the majority of the cast of Big Ban Theory to my list of characters I don't like.

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

BB-8's performance was better than those of most of the human characters, IMHO.

Sadly I agree with you. But BB-8 was only there for merchandising purposes, just like Jar Jar.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

You know to be honest, I don't remember. Saw the dang thing twice, and I can't rightly say. I can only recall them saying that they haven't seen this kind of behavior from him before, and that he'll need reconditioning.

See! This is how forgetable this flick is. I've seen it 4 times and I still can't figure out why R2D2 turned back on, or why Finn was so happy to shoot his pals after being brainwashed, or why starkiller base exists, or why Han Solo managed to find the falcon right away, or why Rey knew how to pilot the falcon (just like f*cking anakin), or why no one had any actual character, or how Luke Leia and Han managed to create Vader 2.0, or why the force ghosts didn't appear, or why the resistance is still using 30 year old tech, or why all the aliens look like bumpy brown pieces of sh*t, or what the new republic is doing, or why the much needed senate scene was cut, or how Rey knew what the resistance was despite living on sh*thole supreme, or how the resistance blew up starkiller base, or how the biggest battle in the galaxy was won without ground troops, or how the first order gathered the money to build Starkiller, or how they managed to f*ck it up with the same mistakes every other death star had, or why every planet looks like earth.

Y'know what, I'd take the prequels over TFA any day, atleast those give a good laugh.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by snake

why the much needed senate scene was cut

They probably wanted to distance themselves from the prequels, which of course have quite a bit of diplomacy scenes, ad nauseam.

[snake]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

They probably wanted to distance themselves from the prequels, which of course have quite a bit of diplomacy scenes, ad nauseam.

That's absolutely the reason, which makes it even more retarded. If you don't know how to make a scene interesting (which a senate scene can be) then you shouldn't deserve this movie.