If Ninja Turtles Fast Forward could be redone - Page 2

*CyberCubed* · 07-30-2013, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19

Why redo it? IMO, it was a very lame and stupid idea anyway...that was most likely only made to sell more toys.

The whole show was made to sell toys. That's what any children's cartoon is made for, the merchandize.

Just look at all the Nick merchandize licensing.

*victory_angel* · 12-19-2013, 03:39 AM

So anyone else feel this season needs a fan re-write

Breadcrab · 01-08-2014, 01:31 AM

Maybe I'm just a sucker for pulp sci-fi, but I didn't mind Fast Forward.

In fact, having rewatched a few episodes recently, I dare say it does a few things... *puts up flame shield* ...better than the 2K3 series.

*Breadcrab's house gets barraged by missiles*

At least, I found the comedy was a bit better, since I actually chuckled at quite a few lines. I also genuinely liked the turtles' redesigns. Their angular style looked sleek and consistent IMO. The action scenes were still exciting, the plots were paced well enough, and I feel they made an honest effort at introducing new, if not entirely groundbreaking, villains. (Jammerhead = The Joker, Viral = Inque, etc)

Of course, I'll always readily admit it had problems. Cody was an extremely bland character who had basically nothing to do. A lot of the vehicles, gadgets, etc were blatant attempts to sell toys, no doubts about it. A lot of the characters were caricatures/stereotypes. There were definitely instances of dumb or lazy writing (how many times is Raph going to fall for Zixx's extremely obvious holograms?!). Also, the need for the turtles to wear some kind of gravity-modulating whatnot bracers was a puzzling choice indeed. Was that even used as a plot point beyond the first episode? Seems to me like a "no really, the toys have redesigns for a reason! Honest!" excuse.

However, I think the biggest missed opportunity was in the setting itself. The future of 2105 was excessively cheery and saccharine to the point where it didn't seem like there was much crime at all. Not to mention the turtles could walk the streets freely, all of their old enemies were either dead or turned into allies (Bishop, Triceratons), and the city generally seemed clean and organized. One of the biggest crimes was the Street Phantoms trying to steal... video games. Yeah, that's some life-threatening s*** right there.

Basically, there was little sense of urgency or threat. Sure, there was the Sh'okanabo business and Darius' schemes, but I remember those coming slowly and gradually, hardly seeming like edge-of-your-seat plot elements.

Compare Fast Forward's future setting to those of Batman Beyond and Samurai Jack, for example. The latter are oppressive, bleak dystopias filled with corrupt individuals and societal tensions, but that's what makes them so immersive and ripe for story conflict. In contrast, Fast Forward's relatively problem-free world feels like one made for a sitcom rather than an action show. The grimy New York of 2K3 felt like it needed the turtles. 2105... not so much, I'm afraid.

But hey, maybe that's me looking too much into it. As I said, I enjoyed the show on some level, and I genuinely think it had a good concept at its core. Maybe if they decide to remake/revisit it someday with the intent to tell a story rather than to sell toys, they just might have something great.

*Shiro Kame* · 01-08-2014, 06:28 AM

I would've made it more cyberpunk/biopunk like Batman Beyond, give the Inuwashi Gunjin more and personality, given the Dark Turtles more limelight, develop Cody's personality a little more, have Darius get his just deserts in the final episode, made sure that Torbin Zixx went to jail, possibly bring in Space Usagi, and would have made DEFINITELY sure that there would be doubts that the turtles would get back to the present with Cody not mentioning anything like Don helping to create O'Neil Tech.

Bossa Nova · 01-08-2014, 02:35 PM

I feel like I already sufficiently answered this question in another thread on the second page, but I'll include it here as well.

I probably would have introduced the Dark Turtles way earlier and given them a much more extensive plot, as well as actually wrapping up what happened to them. Of all the villains introduced this season they were by far the most interesting and could very well have been the main villains of the entire season, especially since they had a lot of potential for growth and ultimately redeeming themselves. Or, use their introduction in the first season and gone ahead with a second season where they were of a much bigger focus.

I also would have liked to have seen some one on one interaction between Don and Bishop. We never really get to see Don deal with the aftermath of his second mutation, and one could argue Don having to not only see, but work for Bishop after what he did is pretty messed up. It's a topic I would have liked to see addressed in at least one episode.

As for characters I could do without, that would go to Jammerhead and Triple Threat. Ugly, boring and annoying. I wouldn't get rid of Cody or Starlee, but I do think their characters could have done with some tweaking. I actually like how Cody was pretty sheltered, as it actually gave the turtles a chance to be the ones in charge when it came to exploring the streets like the average person. If Cody had already known about all these things I think it would have taken some of the fun out it, like when they visited the theater. Starlee's design could have been completely done over, and altogether I wouldn't mind if BOTH of them were older. I suppose I can swallow that since Starlee is an alien her intelligence level might be higher than the average humans, but after awhile it felt like all of this amazing technology was being built by children. Still, I wouldn't have minded if they were at least in the early to mid twenties like Casey and April. Oh, and the Inuwashi Gunjin...what was even their point again?

Still, despite my nit-picks, I genuinely really liked this entire season and for all it's flaws I don't think it's NEARLY as terrible as a lot of the fanbase (at least on these boards) like to make it seem.

*TheBlueTurtle1* · 01-11-2014, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

I feel like I already sufficiently answered this question in another thread on the second page, but I'll include it here as well.

I probably would have introduced the Dark Turtles way earlier and given them a much more extensive plot, as well as actually wrapping up what happened to them. Of all the villains introduced this season they were by far the most interesting and could very well have been the main villains of the entire season, especially since they had a lot of potential for growth and ultimately redeeming themselves. Or, use their introduction in the first season and gone ahead with a second season where they were of a much bigger focus.

I also would have liked to have seen some one on one interaction between Don and Bishop. We never really get to see Don deal with the aftermath of his second mutation, and one could argue Don having to not only see, but work for Bishop after what he did is pretty messed up. It's a topic I would have liked to see addressed in at least one episode.

As for characters I could do without, that would go to Jammerhead and Triple Threat. Ugly, boring and annoying. I wouldn't get rid of Cody or Starlee, but I do think their characters could have done with some tweaking. I actually like how Cody was pretty sheltered, as it actually gave the turtles a chance to be the ones in charge when it came to exploring the streets like the average person. If Cody had already known about all these things I think it would have taken some of the fun out it, like when they visited the theater. Starlee's design could have been completely done over, and altogether I wouldn't mind if BOTH of them were older. I suppose I can swallow that since Starlee is an alien her intelligence level might be higher than the average humans, but after awhile it felt like all of this amazing technology was being built by children. Still, I wouldn't have minded if they were at least in the early to mid twenties like Casey and April. Oh, and the Inuwashi Gunjin...what was even their point again?

Still, despite my nit-picks, I genuinely really liked this entire season and for all it's flaws I don't think it's NEARLY as terrible as a lot of the fanbase (at least on these boards) like to make it seem.

I agree, the Dark Turtles were wasted a bit, like you said should have been introduced within the first 6 episodes.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-11-2014, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The whole show was made to sell toys. That's what any children's cartoon is made for, the merchandize.

Just look at all the Nick merchandize licensing.

To quote Yogurt from Spaceballs: "Merchandising! That's where the REAL money from the movie is made!" (Or TV show, in this case.)

Mel Brooks hit the nail on the head, there. And we actually have Star Wars to thank for that, as it was the first franchise to really go that route of having a multitude of tie-in merchandise.

As for what I'd do to "Fix" the FF season- I'd probably have added a few more eps with the Dark Turtles, given Viral a bigger role as one of the primary villains, and probably cut out the other two Triple-Threat eps after the first.

*turtlefanforever* · 01-13-2014, 07:16 PM

Where the voice overs and some of the animation was done and it was actually put into an episode on but not fully developed. Did anyone ever actuAlly finish it fully? Like color and everything.

deathtojohnny · 01-16-2014, 08:36 PM

I would've had Renet notice the turtles being misplaced and have her return them home or something connecting to Renet and Lord Simultaneous.

*victory_angel* · 04-15-2016, 03:47 PM

Fast Foward could have been a great series if they had only rewritten it instead of having a "Turtles are in the Future...hijinks ensue." type plot.

If I could rewrite Fast Forward series.

First season will consist of the Turtles arrival in the future and meeting Cody. Much of the first season would consist of the Turtles learning about that future world and how they influenced it's creation.

Darius Dunn would be a reoccurring villain who is greatly annoyed to see the Turtles living with Cody. And there would be more development with the aspect of Cody being an orphan.

In the past O'Neil tech had bought out a company that had been run by Darius's grandfather called Dunn Inc. While the merger was a unanimously accepted decision. Darius often felt his grandfather had been a fool to surrender his business to the young tech company and he saw the philanthropic aspects of O'Neil tech a waste of money and resources.

His older brother meet and falls in love with the grandaughter of Casey and April Jones. The two of them marry and have a son named Cody.
Legally Dunn could not become the head of O'Neil tech if there wasn't an apparent heir. With Cody's birth Dunn seizes an opportunity by tricking his brother into signing a forged will in testament to leave Darius as legal guardian of Cody should anything befall him. Then arranges the murder of his brother and sister in law in a tragic accident that also claimed the life of several people.

Since Cody was too young to take up his role as CEO of O'Neil tech, Dunn is appointed active head until Cody becomes eighteen. And uses his power and influence to control his nephew all the while running shady dealings (Weapons smuggling and such) under the guise of philanthropic pursuits in the O'Neil tech name.

Knowing the presence of the Turtles would break what control he has over Cody, Dunn tries to convince his nephew that the Turtles aren't a good influence on his young mind. And tries to get his nephew to see this by framing the Turtles for crimes they didn't commit. Fabricated footage of the Turtles attempting to sabotage O'Neil Tech, and other things. But Cody doesn't believe any of it. Cody also doesn't really believe the Turtles when they try to convince him that his uncle may not be the man he wants him to believe.

There is also a character referred to as the mysterious turtle. This person often just observes and assists from a distance but occasionally jumps in to save Cody or the Turtles from danger.

The second season would have had Sh'okanabo and Viral as major villains in addition to Dunn, and introduce the Dark Turtles. The Mysterious Turtle is revealed to be a much older version of Donatello who is the only remaining ninja turtle left. The only reason he hasn't been revealing himself to them before is because he isn't really supposed to meet with his younger self. He also informs the other Turtles more about how things were going on in their history. And this is where it is mentioned that Donatello also had been a founder of O'Neil tech which was more of an in-house secret then public knowledge. Future Don explains that he knew what Dunn had been doing all this time. While he can not stand against Dunn against his own, he was not going to just stand by and let Dunn ruin everything he and April have created long ago. Season ends with the death of Kanabo and Viral. Dunn is ousted as CEO but escapes before he is arrested.

Season three

Dunn learns Donnie is the a lynchpin for this future verse, and if he is eliminated O'Neil tech would never have been founded and Cody would never be born. Future Donatello notes that Dunn is deliberately attacking his younger-self. Dunn is defeated and taken into custody, but Future Don is mortally wounded and soon passes away to join his brothers and friends in the next world.

Cody's time window is finally fixed enabling the Turtles to return to their time. Donatello informs his brothers that when they enter all memory of the stuff they experience in that future verse will be erased so that they don't affect its existence.

*neatoman* · 04-15-2016, 03:59 PM

Well IDW has already brought back Darius and the Street Phantoms, so let's see what they'll do with characters and concepts from Fast Forward.

*Xav* · 04-15-2016, 10:04 PM

Somehow tie the turtles going to the future to Renet. Perhaps she sends them there by accident. Have the turtles find out what happened to them. Maybe they died in battle. Have a futuristic version of the Foot Clan. Perhaps they could be good this time. Actually show what happens to Stockman when he finally gets his body back. Have the Inuwashi Gunjin have individual names and personalizes. Spend less time on filler villains like Jammerhead and Triple Threat.

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Originally Posted by Galactus

This one (as far as I know) is not.

So why cancel a show with good ratings? Season two sounded interesting with old characters returning like Ch'rell, Leatherhead, Mortu and Stockman. As well as Space Usagi Dunn building robot turtles and the Dark Turtles turning good. Why pass all that up for a half-a-season which they didn't even bother making toys for?

*CyberCubed* · 04-15-2016, 10:49 PM

From what I remember a FF Season 2 was only going to be 10 episodes long, so it wasn't even going to be a full season.

Fishface · 04-16-2016, 03:02 AM

Probably more episodes with more one off villains

*Jephael* · 04-24-2016, 12:16 AM

I kinda wish they had done what IDW's Turtles in Time did and show an elderly version of Donatello being the sole surviving member of the Ninja Turtles, but living in Northampton or Japan. I once wrote a fan fiction about it, but for some reason or another I tossed it out the window.

*Whatswiththeheadbands?* · 04-26-2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I kinda wish they had done what IDW's Turtles in Time did and show an elderly version of Donatello being the sole surviving member of the Ninja Turtles, but living in Northampton or Japan. I once wrote a fan fiction about it, but for some reason or another I tossed it out the window.

That's not a bad idea. Maybe that could be linked to 'Same As It Never Was'?.

Chopperface · 05-02-2016, 01:46 PM

I personally never cared for Jammerhead except in the first episode (when it was strongly implied he was doing human trafficking) and the Body Snatcher episode because of how priceless it was. "Excuse me, I have to go to the potty." I'd remove him from the series... well, that really means just removing the episode of him with Starlee's family.

I think Fast Forward gets an overly bad rep at times. Yeah, it was a step down but we still had arcs, we still had character development, we still had some serious scenarios. I can't think of too much off of the top of my head that I'd redo. But I'd certainly add in an extra few episodes so that the plot with Darius and the Dark Turtles could be resolved. I LOVED the two-parter where Darius was exposed and nearly killed Cody on his way out.

12-19-2013, 03:39 AM	#22
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	So anyone else feel this season needs a fan re-write __________________

01-08-2014, 01:31 AM	#23
Breadcrab Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: San Clemente, California Posts: 31	Maybe I'm just a sucker for pulp sci-fi, but I didn't mind Fast Forward. In fact, having rewatched a few episodes recently, I dare say it does a few things... puts up flame shield ...better than the 2K3 series. Breadcrab's house gets barraged by missiles At least, I found the comedy was a bit better, since I actually chuckled at quite a few lines. I also genuinely liked the turtles' redesigns. Their angular style looked sleek and consistent IMO. The action scenes were still exciting, the plots were paced well enough, and I feel they made an honest effort at introducing new, if not entirely groundbreaking, villains. (Jammerhead = The Joker, Viral = Inque, etc) Of course, I'll always readily admit it had problems. Cody was an extremely bland character who had basically nothing to do. A lot of the vehicles, gadgets, etc were blatant attempts to sell toys, no doubts about it. A lot of the characters were caricatures/stereotypes. There were definitely instances of dumb or lazy writing (how many times is Raph going to fall for Zixx's extremely obvious holograms?!). Also, the need for the turtles to wear some kind of gravity-modulating whatnot bracers was a puzzling choice indeed. Was that even used as a plot point beyond the first episode? Seems to me like a "no really, the toys have redesigns for a reason! Honest!" excuse. However, I think the biggest missed opportunity was in the setting itself. The future of 2105 was excessively cheery and saccharine to the point where it didn't seem like there was much crime at all. Not to mention the turtles could walk the streets freely, all of their old enemies were either dead or turned into allies (Bishop, Triceratons), and the city generally seemed clean and organized. One of the biggest crimes was the Street Phantoms trying to steal... video games. Yeah, that's some life-threatening s*** right there. Basically, there was little sense of urgency or threat. Sure, there was the Sh'okanabo business and Darius' schemes, but I remember those coming slowly and gradually, hardly seeming like edge-of-your-seat plot elements. Compare Fast Forward's future setting to those of Batman Beyond and Samurai Jack, for example. The latter are oppressive, bleak dystopias filled with corrupt individuals and societal tensions, but that's what makes them so immersive and ripe for story conflict. In contrast, Fast Forward's relatively problem-free world feels like one made for a sitcom rather than an action show. The grimy New York of 2K3 felt like it needed the turtles. 2105... not so much, I'm afraid. But hey, maybe that's me looking too much into it. As I said, I enjoyed the show on some level, and I genuinely think it had a good concept at its core. Maybe if they decide to remake/revisit it someday with the intent to tell a story rather than to sell toys, they just might have something great. Last edited by Breadcrab; 01-08-2014 at 01:50 AM.

01-08-2014, 02:35 PM	#25
Bossa Nova Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: United States, California Posts: 592	I feel like I already sufficiently answered this question in another thread on the second page, but I'll include it here as well. I probably would have introduced the Dark Turtles way earlier and given them a much more extensive plot, as well as actually wrapping up what happened to them. Of all the villains introduced this season they were by far the most interesting and could very well have been the main villains of the entire season, especially since they had a lot of potential for growth and ultimately redeeming themselves. Or, use their introduction in the first season and gone ahead with a second season where they were of a much bigger focus. I also would have liked to have seen some one on one interaction between Don and Bishop. We never really get to see Don deal with the aftermath of his second mutation, and one could argue Don having to not only see, but work for Bishop after what he did is pretty messed up. It's a topic I would have liked to see addressed in at least one episode. As for characters I could do without, that would go to Jammerhead and Triple Threat. Ugly, boring and annoying. I wouldn't get rid of Cody or Starlee, but I do think their characters could have done with some tweaking. I actually like how Cody was pretty sheltered, as it actually gave the turtles a chance to be the ones in charge when it came to exploring the streets like the average person. If Cody had already known about all these things I think it would have taken some of the fun out it, like when they visited the theater. Starlee's design could have been completely done over, and altogether I wouldn't mind if BOTH of them were older. I suppose I can swallow that since Starlee is an alien her intelligence level might be higher than the average humans, but after awhile it felt like all of this amazing technology was being built by children. Still, I wouldn't have minded if they were at least in the early to mid twenties like Casey and April. Oh, and the Inuwashi Gunjin...what was even their point again? Still, despite my nit-picks, I genuinely really liked this entire season and for all it's flaws I don't think it's NEARLY as terrible as a lot of the fanbase (at least on these boards) like to make it seem. __________________ Nova's TMNT Fanfics

01-13-2014, 07:16 PM	#28
turtlefanforever Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,098	There was one more episode to fast forward Where the voice overs and some of the animation was done and it was actually put into an episode on but not fully developed. Did anyone ever actuAlly finish it fully? Like color and everything.

04-15-2016, 03:47 PM	#30
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	Fast Foward could have been a great series if they had only rewritten it instead of having a "Turtles are in the Future...hijinks ensue." type plot. If I could rewrite Fast Forward series. First season will consist of the Turtles arrival in the future and meeting Cody. Much of the first season would consist of the Turtles learning about that future world and how they influenced it's creation. Darius Dunn would be a reoccurring villain who is greatly annoyed to see the Turtles living with Cody. And there would be more development with the aspect of Cody being an orphan. In the past O'Neil tech had bought out a company that had been run by Darius's grandfather called Dunn Inc. While the merger was a unanimously accepted decision. Darius often felt his grandfather had been a fool to surrender his business to the young tech company and he saw the philanthropic aspects of O'Neil tech a waste of money and resources. His older brother meet and falls in love with the grandaughter of Casey and April Jones. The two of them marry and have a son named Cody. Legally Dunn could not become the head of O'Neil tech if there wasn't an apparent heir. With Cody's birth Dunn seizes an opportunity by tricking his brother into signing a forged will in testament to leave Darius as legal guardian of Cody should anything befall him. Then arranges the murder of his brother and sister in law in a tragic accident that also claimed the life of several people. Since Cody was too young to take up his role as CEO of O'Neil tech, Dunn is appointed active head until Cody becomes eighteen. And uses his power and influence to control his nephew all the while running shady dealings (Weapons smuggling and such) under the guise of philanthropic pursuits in the O'Neil tech name. Knowing the presence of the Turtles would break what control he has over Cody, Dunn tries to convince his nephew that the Turtles aren't a good influence on his young mind. And tries to get his nephew to see this by framing the Turtles for crimes they didn't commit. Fabricated footage of the Turtles attempting to sabotage O'Neil Tech, and other things. But Cody doesn't believe any of it. Cody also doesn't really believe the Turtles when they try to convince him that his uncle may not be the man he wants him to believe. There is also a character referred to as the mysterious turtle. This person often just observes and assists from a distance but occasionally jumps in to save Cody or the Turtles from danger. The second season would have had Sh'okanabo and Viral as major villains in addition to Dunn, and introduce the Dark Turtles. The Mysterious Turtle is revealed to be a much older version of Donatello who is the only remaining ninja turtle left. The only reason he hasn't been revealing himself to them before is because he isn't really supposed to meet with his younger self. He also informs the other Turtles more about how things were going on in their history. And this is where it is mentioned that Donatello also had been a founder of O'Neil tech which was more of an in-house secret then public knowledge. Future Don explains that he knew what Dunn had been doing all this time. While he can not stand against Dunn against his own, he was not going to just stand by and let Dunn ruin everything he and April have created long ago. Season ends with the death of Kanabo and Viral. Dunn is ousted as CEO but escapes before he is arrested. Season three Dunn learns Donnie is the a lynchpin for this future verse, and if he is eliminated O'Neil tech would never have been founded and Cody would never be born. Future Donatello notes that Dunn is deliberately attacking his younger-self. Dunn is defeated and taken into custody, but Future Don is mortally wounded and soon passes away to join his brothers and friends in the next world. Cody's time window is finally fixed enabling the Turtles to return to their time. Donatello informs his brothers that when they enter all memory of the stuff they experience in that future verse will be erased so that they don't affect its existence. __________________ Last edited by victory_angel; 04-16-2016 at 05:03 AM.

01-08-2014, 06:28 AM	#24
Shiro Kame Foot Elite Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 3,332	I would've made it more cyberpunk/biopunk like Batman Beyond, give the Inuwashi Gunjin more and personality, given the Dark Turtles more limelight, develop Cody's personality a little more, have Darius get his just deserts in the final episode, made sure that Torbin Zixx went to jail, possibly bring in Space Usagi, and would have made DEFINITELY sure that there would be doubts that the turtles would get back to the present with Cody not mentioning anything like Don helping to create O'Neil Tech.

01-16-2014, 08:36 PM	#29
deathtojohnny Thug Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 50	I would've had Renet notice the turtles being misplaced and have her return them home or something connecting to Renet and Lord Simultaneous.

04-15-2016, 10:49 PM	#33
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	From what I remember a FF Season 2 was only going to be 10 episodes long, so it wasn't even going to be a full season.

04-16-2016, 03:02 AM	#34
Fishface Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 177	Probably more episodes with more one off villains

04-24-2016, 12:16 AM	#35
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I kinda wish they had done what IDW's Turtles in Time did and show an elderly version of Donatello being the sole surviving member of the Ninja Turtles, but living in Northampton or Japan. I once wrote a fan fiction about it, but for some reason or another I tossed it out the window. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

05-02-2016, 01:46 PM	#37
Chopperface Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 46	I personally never cared for Jammerhead except in the first episode (when it was strongly implied he was doing human trafficking) and the Body Snatcher episode because of how priceless it was. "Excuse me, I have to go to the potty." I'd remove him from the series... well, that really means just removing the episode of him with Starlee's family. I think Fast Forward gets an overly bad rep at times. Yeah, it was a step down but we still had arcs, we still had character development, we still had some serious scenarios. I can't think of too much off of the top of my head that I'd redo. But I'd certainly add in an extra few episodes so that the plot with Darius and the Dark Turtles could be resolved. I LOVED the two-parter where Darius was exposed and nearly killed Cody on his way out.