How would you reintroduce Venus de Milo?

[TonySiegel]

or should she remain in tmnt fandom purgatory?

*awaits flame war or constructive discussion*

[CyberCubed]

I wouldn't simply because there's just no need. I'd rather them spend time developing important and memorable characters.

[plastroncafe]

So long as certain conditions were met, I'd have no problem what so ever with the Nick Toon reviving Venus.

1) She'd have to have the boy's design. Either the fab four, or Spike.
No shell boobs. No hair. If there's to be any sexual dimorphism at all, she should be larger than them.

2) She's not a love interest. At all. For anyone.

3) No pastel color palatte.

4) She's not a Kraang in disguise.

5) She have a conversation with another female character about something that isn't a dude.

[Andrew NDB]

There is a certain allure to seeing them take something like Venus, and subvert it into something that works. But it's pretty apocryphal to set out to redux Venus at all.

I would bet that in most/all of the current TMNT incarnations, should they continue, a female Turtle will appear at some point, but probably not one called Venus or Mieh Pieh Chi.

[MikeandRaph87]

The best way is to go with Peter Laird's verdict that her exostence has been erased. If she has to have existed Shredder could kill their sister on their inital encounter in a darker interpretation.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

So long as certain conditions were met, I'd have no problem what so ever with the Nick Toon reviving Venus.

1) She'd have to have the boy's design. Either the fab four, or Spike.
No shell boobs. No hair. If there's to be any sexual dimorphism at all, she should be larger than them.

2) She's not a love interest. At all. For anyone.

3) No pastel color palatte.

4) She's not a Kraang in disguise.

5) She have a conversation with another female character about something that isn't a dude.

6) She doesn't exist to be "fridged."

[Candy Kappa]

The same way Sophie did in her fan-comic. She was always one of the core members from the beginning and name her after a Renaissance artist and not a artwork.

And no shell boobs, that's dumb, as dumb as shell abs.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Taking her name at face value (an objet d'art instead of an artist), I'd reimage her into a genetic experiment conducted by an older Donatello. Alone in the universe with his three brothers and knowing that they have no way to pass on a biological legacy, Donatello creates a daughter using his own DNA. Hence the name.

Nice little one-shot, ala Turtles in Time and Roadhogs (I believe that's the name of the old Mirage RPG with Swamp Raph leading a few mutant turtles). And then we never have to see her again.

[TonySiegel]

i'm feeling all these answers real surprised at the discussion. peace everyone i shall add my opinion soon...

[GoldMutant]

It might be me, but besides incorporating Venus into the Turtles' origin (as long as it's reducing the group to roommates and in love), I'd personally see her as a Turtle alien (the Nick Mona Lisa in a way). Might be weird, but for how I see it do something like this:

1. During a space adventure or a travel to Japan, the Turtles are introduced to a young female Turtle. Not mutated as of now, but brought home if something is occurring. For example, if in space say someone like the Triceratons attacked her home similar to Star Wars with Luke or if Japan and the rights allow it, bring her away if a Foot Clan attack or Norianga is leading an attack.

2. The Turtles bring the female home and treat her as one of the family (think identically to Spike in the Nickverse before he became Slash). Give some adorable moments with the little girl; cue something that occurs to fully mutate her into a character.

3. Cue the mystical elements; whether as unexplained potential or a family talent is entirely up to the writer. She assists in stopping the villain and is brought back to be tutored as a heroine.

4. Bring her back later on as a guest star from time to time so she doesn't overstay her welcome. Give Venus banter with her "step brothers", show some fancy tricks but not result in her being overpowered. If there's one thing to prevent Venus from returning is her destroying the equality between the four Turtles. I'd rather they each teach one another: Venus with the mystic side partially and the Turtles on other material.

Honestly, Venus had potential as a character but was shoehorned and rather pointless. She was practically one of the very few characters in Next Mutation written well, but the origin shouldn't have been damaged. Not sure if what I suggested works, but I'm gear for a Venus return sometime in the future if possible. If not, oh well; there's literally many directions to make her good, just depends on execution.

[Cryomancer]

Go with the separation thing. But don't have her magically somehow also ending up in martial arts. Give her a completely different life experience. Maybe even one where she never socialized with anyone at all and is just some kind of mindless creature or has just been secretly surviving alone somewhere.

Alternatively, make her realize the direness of her own situation and strive to exceed it. Make her the only Venus there ever was in the multiverse, stuck in the dumbest iteration. Have her figure out passage to the Battle Nexus, leaving her old world behind.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

So long as certain conditions were met, I'd have no problem what so ever with the Nick Toon reviving Venus.

1) She'd have to have the boy's design. Either the fab four, or Spike.
No shell boobs. No hair. If there's to be any sexual dimorphism at all, she should be larger than them.

3) No pastel color palatte

Question: how would you reconcile the clashing schools of thought, namely: the Turtles take on some humanoid characteristics during mutation, versus no sexual dimorphism?

While I definitely agree "shell boobs" and pastel colors are pandering and insulting, I do think that copying some humanoid female traits could potentially make sense depending on how the mutations work in whichever universe this happened. For instance, in Fred Wolf and Nick TMNT, you take on the traits of whatever you last touched. If the female turtle was last in contact with a human...?

[Powder]

I'd wanna see her in the Nick series, as a dream/story of Michelangelo's. In Adventure Time, there are episodes in a different universe that are actually The Ice King's fanfiction. Given Mikey is an artist/writer in Mirage, it'd be cool to see that side of him brought out in a similar way, to introduce wacky characters & stories. I could see him writing about a cool female TMNT who knows magic. I'd want her design to be in line with the 4 turtles, but maintain the general look of her original appearance, minus the shell boobs (though the top of the plaston could have a slight V shape to it, maybe). Have Malachi bring the turtles into her world to fight off Dragonlord or some other familiar foe.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Powder

I'd wanna see her in the Nick series, as a dream/story of Michelangelo's. In Adventure Time, there are episodes in a different universe that are actually The Ice King's fanfiction. Given Mikey is an artist/writer in Mirage, it'd be cool to see that side of him brought out in a similar way, to introduce wacky characters & stories. I could see him writing about a cool female TMNT who knows magic. I'd want her design to be in line with the 4 turtles, but maintain the general look of her original appearance, minus the shell boobs (though the top of the plaston could have a slight V shape to it, maybe). Have Malachi bring the turtles into her world to fight off Dragonlord or some other familiar foe.

Not a fan of the Nick universe, but I do like that idea...

[CyberCubed]

Its funny how all female mutants/animal characters in TMNT have been love interests:

- Mona Lisa was a love interest for Raph in the cartoons
- Ninjara was a love interest for Raph in Archie
- Alopex was a love interest for Raph in IDW (why does Raph get all the girls?)
- Venus was a love interest for possibly Leo or Mikey in Next Mutation

Were there any other female mutants who weren't love interests?

[MikeandRaph87]

It reminds me of the Mirage issue from the firs volume where the turtles had weird dreams. A throw away issue which had imaginary stories within a cannon universe. It could work by Mike's pen and imagination or a dream. Perhaps, a "what if Mona was a turtle" type thing that Raph could dream up.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Question: how would you reconcile the clashing schools of thought, namely: the Turtles take on some humanoid characteristics during mutation, versus no sexual dimorphism?

While I definitely agree "shell boobs" and pastel colors are pandering and insulting, I do think that copying some humanoid female traits could potentially make sense depending on how the mutations work in whichever universe this happened. For instance, in Fred Wolf and Nick TMNT, you take on the traits of whatever you last touched. If the female turtle was last in contact with a human...?

I don't really see how that is clashing of schools. The Turtles don't show a whole lot of human sexual dimorphism, cause in reality we have a very low level of differences compared to a lot of other species.

So why should Venus be subject for perceived female human sexual dimorphism, when there are more credence for turtle dimorphism?

If Venus is to be without the typical "girl code", boobs, hourglass body, long eye lashes, hair. Making her more petite goes against turtle nature, especially Red-Eared Sliders where the female is a lot larger then the male, like BayTurtles vs Mirage Turtles size difference.

Should she then have a distinct trait of having cellulite, as that is a human female sex characteristic. Or birthing hips which again goes forward the "girl coding" with hourglass body (or in this case pear shape), maybe the shell works like a sexy corset...

[CyberCubed]

Maybe Venus should be genderless. Its not like she has to be male or female. It would fit in today's SJW tumblr society too.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Maybe Venus should be genderless. Its not like she has to be male or female. It would fit in today's SJW tumblr society too.

[TonySiegel]

honestly, i wasnt expecting peeps to be open to venus being reintroduced... let alone a discussion about her...