Official TMNT: Out Of The Shadows Review Thread (There Might Be Spoilers) - Page 17

MastahShredder · 06-01-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Did they really even need to have him in it at all then?

I cant comprehend

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Does he just ramble about building an army all day?

*TrickOrTreater* · 06-01-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Redeemer

Both movies are extremely bloated and overloaded with characters and story. The Run times are also extremely long making it hard to watch especially when re-watching.

Also both movies had horrible use of villains.
Jesse Eisenberg was just not right as Lex Luthor. He would have made a better riddler.

The main villain in Civil War was very forgettable and random (Putting it kindly)

Also both movies did not stay very true to their source material and were simply shells of the source material. (Civil War arc) and (Dark Knight Returns)

So summary both movies share.
-Bloated StoryLines
-Bad Villians
-Character overload
-Bad adaptation of source material.

Yeah but the Civil War comic storyline sucked.

jezza · 06-01-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

How was it less coherent?

Where do I begin?

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I could probably list other issues, but I think that will do for now. Needless to say, this film was just a jumbled mess and I really hope future films are given to a studio that can actually create a decent plot and add some depth to the characters. As it stands, this is just a depressing mess, I would rather do without than this be seen as the basis for future TMNT movies and/or comics.

jezza · 06-01-2016, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MastahShredder

Does he just ramble about building an army all day?

Pretty much...

graphic_content · 06-01-2016, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I cant comprehend

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Does he just ramble about building an army all day?

I thought that was ridiculous too - but if you hate that...then this will enrage you...

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*Bry* · 06-01-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jezza

I was being serious, the first film was by no means great, but this one is a lot worse, it's even less coherent and I didn't think that was possible.

Weirdly enough, this makes me almost excited to crack a bottle of something open and hate-watch this with my wife once it hits Netflix. I won't pay for this under any circumstances, but now I want to see how bad it gets.

*Vicky82* · 06-01-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jezza

Where do I begin?

Spoiler:

I could probably list other issues, but I think that will do for now. Needless to say, this film was just a jumbled mess and I really hope future films are given to a studio that can actually create a decent plot and add some depth to the characters. As it stands, this is just a depressing mess, I would rather do without, than this be seen as the basis for future TMNT movies and/or comics.

About the

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jezza · 06-01-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

About the

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That was one mistake in a plethora of many in my opinion

*Vicky82* · 06-01-2016, 05:00 PM

This is not a drill, I repeat this is not a drill, We have a fresh review and it's back up to 25%.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tee...f_the_shadows/

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...turtles-sequel

jezza · 06-01-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

This is not a drill, I repeat this is not a drill, We have a fresh review and it's back up to 25%.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tee...f_the_shadows/

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-capture...turtles-sequel

It's now gone to 29% without an extra review, how does that work?

*Vicky82* · 06-01-2016, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jezza

It's now gone to 29% without an extra review, how does that work?

Really??? I still see it as 25%.

jezza · 06-01-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

Really??? I still see it as 25%.

It went back down again as soon as I refreshed the page, but for a brief moment it said 29% weird

*Vicky82* · 06-01-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jezza

It went back down again as soon as I refreshed the page, but for a brief moment it said 29% weird

Ahh that's probably because another rotten was added this time from Empire magazine, there review is already posted here.

*TrickOrTreater* · 06-01-2016, 05:49 PM

"This is a film for fans of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles"

Apparently Drew McWeeny is an idiot.

Also it's at 22% on my screen, 7 neg:2 pos.

*Redeemer* · 06-01-2016, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yeah but the Civil War comic storyline sucked.

If you say so. Its on IGN's top 25 marvel comic stories and also it is consistently one of the top selling TPB at my LCS.

Anyway hopefully seeing the movie tomorrow for my birthday

*TrickOrTreater* · 06-01-2016, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Redeemer

If you say so. Its on IGN's top 25 marvel comic stories and also it is consistently one of the top selling TPB at my LCS.

Huzzah. Still was bad.

*Bry* · 06-01-2016, 09:09 PM

Popular doesn't necessarily mean "good". Also see: the work of Michael Bay.

The Civil War comic was a decent idea with pretty lousy execution. Better scripting would have helped it a lot, but Mark Millar was doing that really stiff, everyone-talks-the-same kind of routine he was leaning hard on at the time, and the characters as a whole lacked nuance and often acted wildly out of character just to suit the plot. It was exciting when it came out, but it really doesn't hold up well at all.

IMO, the movie is a pretty significant improvement in pretty much every way. The conflict feels a lot more natural, as it's something that's been built up to far more than the comic's was. The plot felt like it was naturally guided by the characters and their long-term development, rather than the severe abruptness and sudden characterization shifts in the comic. And to me, the movie treated its characters like characters, with understandable motivations and a sense of warmth, where in the comic they felt pretty one-note and written from a cold distance. Kind of a Millar trademark, that. It worked better in The Ultimates, where the whole point was that most of the heroes were total jerks. He wrote Civil War in a very similar style, and it just didn't feel right for the MU proper.

Just my take.

*TrickOrTreater* · 06-01-2016, 09:18 PM

Any thing where a character tells Captain America he's dumb and out of touch with people because he doesn't watch NASCAR or American Idol or go on Myspace is bad. Plain bad.

And that wasn't even the MAIN Civil War book. That was a side book.

And poor, poor Speedball.

Also, Spider-Man.

*Redeemer* · 06-01-2016, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

Popular doesn't necessarily mean "good". Also see: the work of Michael Bay.

and the characters as a whole lacked nuance and often acted wildly out of character just to suit the plot.

IMO, the movie is a pretty significant improvement in pretty much every way. The conflict feels a lot more natural, as it's something that's been built up to far more than the comic's was.

Ok first off 99% of the time something isn't popular bc it is bad or mediocre.

Also I find it really hard to believe you read Dark Knight Returns.

In the movie BvS Superman acted extremely out of character acting like a moody teenage with a bad attitude. Which is nothing like Superman. In Dark Knight Returns he is written like a typical super-man, Boy-Scout, No-rule breaking, Justice for all, etc.... So please don't say Miller wrote Superman or other characters completely out of character especially when being compared to Zack Snyder's superman.

And the conflict build up was actually rather short, in BvS I believe is was 18 months or so?? Starting when Superman destroyed half of Gotham in his fight with Zod...... But in the Dark Knight the conflict build up was YEARS!!!!!!! It started when the government forced all super-heroes except superman into retirement and Green Arrow says screw that and Superman tears his arm off!!! The build up in the comic was I believe 10 or 15 years.

*TrickOrTreater* · 06-01-2016, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Redeemer

In the movie BvS Superman acted extremely out of character acting like a moody teenage with a bad attitude. Which is nothing like Superman. In Dark Knight Returns he is written like a typical super-man, Boy-Scout, No-rule breaking, Justice for all, etc.... So please don't say Miller wrote Superman or other characters completely out of character especially when being compared to Zack Snyder's superman.

Except when the US Government literally tells him to go wage a war on a foreign country.

He's a Red, White and Blue lapdog in DKR.

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Bry So Long, Stinktown! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,463	Popular doesn't necessarily mean "good". Also see: the work of Michael Bay. The Civil War comic was a decent idea with pretty lousy execution. Better scripting would have helped it a lot, but Mark Millar was doing that really stiff, everyone-talks-the-same kind of routine he was leaning hard on at the time, and the characters as a whole lacked nuance and often acted wildly out of character just to suit the plot. It was exciting when it came out, but it really doesn't hold up well at all. IMO, the movie is a pretty significant improvement in pretty much every way. The conflict feels a lot more natural, as it's something that's been built up to far more than the comic's was. The plot felt like it was naturally guided by the characters and their long-term development, rather than the severe abruptness and sudden characterization shifts in the comic. And to me, the movie treated its characters like characters, with understandable motivations and a sense of warmth, where in the comic they felt pretty one-note and written from a cold distance. Kind of a Millar trademark, that. It worked better in The Ultimates, where the whole point was that most of the heroes were total jerks. He wrote Civil War in a very similar style, and it just didn't feel right for the MU proper. Just my take. __________________ My Stuff: Webcomic \| Podcast \| DeviantArt \| YouTube \| Patreon Last edited by Bry; 06-01-2016 at 09:20 PM.