Tmnt 2 is making less than half what the original made

[Bry]

Originally Posted by thundermaster612

can we plz have tmnt 3 tho

Alternately...

[CyberCubed]

I'm positive they'll make at least one more movie in this Bay universe before they consider another reboot. Its a lot easier to make one more sequel now that the designs of the Turtles and human actors are finalized rather than starting from scratch again.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm positive they'll make at least one more movie in this Bay universe before they consider another reboot. Its a lot easier to make one more sequel now that the designs of the Turtles and human actors are finalized rather than starting from scratch again.

Except this movie cost more than the last one, even with a similar design/actor situation, and there's a chance it might not even turn a profit. Time will well, but based on the lower-than-expected performance so far, a sequel getting the green light is not the sure thing that it was last time.

[Commenter 42]

Looking at the market right now, nothing is doing well, but let's be honest, ...

This is the CBM fatigue I said was setting in.
People are full up on bad movies, and unless your 6 or the ultimate TMNT fan, who could be bothered?

It looks like a rental, at most.

X-men too.

Alice 2 looks like a "OMG please no" on a scale of 1 to waterboarding.

They want people to get excited about going to the movies, you need to make exciting movies.

[CyberCubed]

True, but there's no guarantee another reboot will do any better. They would have to let the franchise rest for a few years regardless rather than making another reboot right away.

The way I see it Nick sees the movie as also promotion for the cartoon and vice versa, so having one final movie in 2018 sort of makes sense. The Nick cartoon will be in Season 7 by then if its still going on...I could see that being the grand finale of the Viacom/Nick era if that's the case.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

True, but there's no guarantee another reboot will do any better. They would have to let the franchise rest for a few years regardless rather than making another reboot right away.

The way I see it Nick sees the movie as also promotion for the cartoon and vice versa, so having one final movie in 2018 sort of makes sense. The Nick cartoon will be in Season 7 by then if its still going on...I could see that being the grand finale of the Viacom/Nick era if that's the case.

Pretty much no.

If this tanks, it's over. Nick doesn't need marketing for turtles; Viacom need sto keep from going insolvent.

Want to know how this plays out? If they lose on this, the valuation of Viacom sinks low enough to trigger a buy from one of it's Chinese suitors, that's how.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Pretty much no.

If this tanks, it's over. Nick doesn't need marketing for turtles; Viacom need sto keep from going insolvent.

Want to know how this plays out? If they lose on this, the valuation of Viacom sinks low enough to trigger a buy from one of it's Chinese suitors, that's how.

Which could pretty much lead to the Nick series dying since it's already not doing too hot anyway, and that'll be the end of TMNT as a whole for many years.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Which could pretty much lead to the Nick series dying since it's already not doing too hot anyway, and that'll be the end of TMNT as a whole for many years.

If that happens, probably should have given the movie license to a studio that makes good movies.

Only themselves to blame.

[myconius]

Originally Posted by Mew

Calm down and drink your apple juice, boy.

PERFECT!!!!!

but in all honesty, would apple juice really be the option with all the kool-aid he's probably already had???

[myconius]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Which could pretty much lead to the Nick series dying since it's already not doing too hot anyway, and that'll be the end of TMNT as a whole for many years.

the space arc in the Nick series dragged out way too long! that needed to end a lot sooner.

but hopefully they start telling simpler more self contained stories rather than have overly bloated stories that interconnect. those are hard to watch when they air in re-runs. at least they are for me anyway.

next episode up is 'city at war' supposedly, we'll see how that plays out?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Looking at the market right now, nothing is doing well, but let's be honest, ...

This is the CBM fatigue I said was setting in.
People are full up on bad movies, and unless your 6 or the ultimate TMNT fan, who could be bothered?

It looks like a rental, at most.

X-men too.

Alice 2 looks like a "OMG please no" on a scale of 1 to waterboarding.

They want people to get excited about going to the movies, you need to make exciting movies.

There isn't CBM fatigue. There's bad movie fatigue.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No there really is CBM fatigue. Mr. Duckie said he's getting a bit tired of them and most casual fans and movie-goers probably feel the same way. It's overload. Overdoing it on a sugary dessert that eventually gives one a stomachache.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

No there really is CBM fatigue.

Oh yeah

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2016.htm

there sure is

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cap...ica_civil_war/

Superhero

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/deadpool/

fatigue

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...adpool2016.htm

Even BvS, despite getting bashed by critics, earned a decent amount of money. 166M OW. Fairly close to Civil War in BO revenue.

It's not superhero fatigue. It's sh*tty movie fatigue.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

True, but there's no guarantee another reboot will do any better. They would have to let the franchise rest for a few years regardless rather than making another reboot right away.

They don't have to do that. Sony teamed with Marvel to reboot Spidey before their Amazing Spider-Man series' corpse was cold.

That said, I'd be happy if they did slow down before giving it another shot. I want a TMNT movie made by people who will take their time and develop a quality film. Give the people something special, something that surprises them. Unless these movies have squandered the general audiences' goodwill entirely, that is.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

If that happens, probably should have given the movie license to a studio that makes good movies.

Only themselves to blame.

Yep, exactly. It's repeating what happened last time -- too many cynical, lazy, low-quality cash-ins turned the property into a joke and drove the audience away. If they want to avoid another crash of the TMNT brand, their best bet is a full movie reboot, IMO. New production company, new creative team, start fresh.

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

There isn't CBM fatigue. There's bad movie fatigue.

Yeah, I mostly agree with this. I think people might be getting tired of pretty much only getting comic movies, but the good ones are still performing well. People like this stuff, but now they can afford to be picky. Which is a good thing, I think -- that means everyone has to try harder.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Oh yeah

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2016.htm

there sure is

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cap...ica_civil_war/

Superhero

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/deadpool/

fatigue

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...adpool2016.htm

Even BvS, despite getting bashed by critics, earned a decent amount of money. 166M OW. Fairly close to Civil War in BO revenue.

It's not superhero fatigue. It's sh*tty movie fatigue.

And yet almost none of them are making what they were expected to. Aside from Deadpool which was mostly a novelty thing based on tone and the fact it was R rated. Some of the "s**tty comic movies" were decent but people are just getting bored of the genre. As I said, I'm married to one of them. And have talked to others who say the same thing- too many comic book movies to keep up with, and a lot of them deal with characters no one ever heard of. And keep in mind that the numbers today don't neccessarily mean more tickets- ticket prices are higher now than they were ten years ago.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

a lot of them deal with characters no one ever heard of.

I think that's a good thing.

It's easy to make a TMNT movie like this and still make money because the TMNT have been household names for decades. But no one even knew Rocket Raccoon's name before Guardians of the Galaxy came out, so they had to actually do a good job in order to turn a profit and get people interested.

[Commenter 42]

Let's be clear, I like CBM's, most of us do, but we are not the majority.

You don't need to agree with me for it to be true, it simply is, the market is correcting this year.

CBM fatigue isn't necessarily describing the perception of just the fans; but studios themselves. We went through the same thing with other genres in the 80's and 90's. It's supply and demand, and there are too many, half baked movies looking to make a buck.

The market is saturated, with low grade product, tied to huge marketing budgets, sinking everything.

Those numbers are nice, but the actual cost to return ratio? Kind of bollocks.

@trick Let me know when you've seen BVS.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Bry

They don't have to do that. Sony teamed with Marvel to reboot Spidey before their Amazing Spider-Man series' corpse was cold.

Gap between TMNT III and TMNT 2007:

1993-2007 = 14 years


Gap between TMNT 2007 and TMNT 2014:

2007-2014 = 7 years


TMNT movies take dirt naps in the movies before they're rebooted. TMNT isn't Spiderman, Sony wants to hold onto the rights hence their rush to make new movies. Marvel characters are hot nowadays, etc.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Let's be clear, I like CBM's, most of us do, but we are not the majority.

You don't need to agree with me for it to be true, it simply is, the market is correcting this year.

CBM fatigue isn't necessarily describing the perception of just the fans; but studios themselves. We went through the same thing with other genres in the 80's and 90's. It's supply and demand, and there are too many, half baked movies looking to make a buck.

The market is saturated, with low grade product, tied to huge marketing budgets, sinking everything.

Those numbers are nice, but the actual cost to return ratio? Kind of bollocks.

@trick Let me know when you've seen BVS.

Yes, the low grade product you refer to is struggling at the box office. The higher quality product (Deadpool and Civil War this year) are not.

It's no different from higher quality dramas and comedies succeeding at the box office.

It's simply bad movie fatigue.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I think that's a good thing.

It's easy to make a TMNT movie like this and still make money because the TMNT have been household names for decades. But no one even knew Rocket Raccoon's name before Guardians of the Galaxy came out, so they had to actually do a good job in order to turn a profit and get people interested.

Even GotG had plenty of flaws though. The point is that "good" or not, a movie franchise that sold well even two years ago is not doing as well this year. With each new sequel the general public gets more tired of seeing what to them is just another comic book film. They may be invested in certain characters, but overall it's like 42 said- overstauration of what is really a niche genre. And the novelty and curiousity factors have begun to wear thin for most NON-comic fans.

Also lets be honest- no one really KNOWS a movie is good or bad until they've SEEN it. But people are getting tired of trying to tell which ones will be "good". They just don't care as much any more.