Tmnt 2 is making less than half what the original made

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Forbes is already predicting that OftS may serve as a precedent for Justice League and the dreaded "Tomb Raider Trap."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmen.../#5206cd53318f

WB fired most of the staff after BvS's pitfall. I think fans are going to look at that and give Justice League a chance. I'm sure if Paramount had fired PD more fans would have turned out.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Forbes is already predicting that OftS may serve as a precedent for Justice League and the dreaded "Tomb Raider Trap."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmen.../#5206cd53318f

Aside from grossly and constantly overstating how much OotS "fixed" (and considering its awful reviews and a fairly mixed audience reception, he comes across a bit like a defensive fanboy there) he makes a lot of good points. They completely botched this series in 2014, and that's not something so easy to recover from. That's a fact that needs to stick to Platinum Dunes in a big way.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm going to say they'll still squeeze out a third and final movie in his Bay universe before they call it quits.

Logic doesn't really seem to apply to Bay's movies.

We're getting Transformers 5... the madness will not end, so yeah, TMNT 3 2018. Sure thing.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Bry

Aside from grossly and constantly overstating how much OotS "fixed" (and considering its awful reviews and a fairly mixed audience reception, he comes across a bit like a defensive fanboy there) he makes a lot of good points. They completely botched this series in 2014, and that's not something so easy to recover from. That's a fact that needs to stick to Platinum Dunes in a big way.

As a Sega fanboy, I tend to think of such missteps that have long-term repercussions as "the Saturn Effect."

I'll speak honestly, though, the TMNT is a resilient franchise but has nothing near the mainstream appeal of Batman and Superman. You can almost guarantee any movie with either of those guys in it will make at least $250 million domestic box office. TMNT movies are still lucky to break $100 domestically.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Logic doesn't really seem to apply to Bay's movies.

We're getting Transformers 5... the madness will not end, so yeah, TMNT 3 2018. Sure thing.

Transformers movies actually make a lot of money though

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Logic doesn't really seem to apply to Bay's movies.

We're getting Transformers 5... the madness will not end, so yeah, TMNT 3 2018. Sure thing.

The Transformers movies make a lot more money though.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

As a Sega fanboy, I tend to think of such missteps that have long-term repercussions as "the Saturn Effect."

Ha! I like it!

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I'll speak honestly, though, the TMNT is a resilient franchise but has nothing near the mainstream appeal of Batman and Superman. You can almost guarantee any movie with either of those guys in it will make at least $250 million domestic box office. TMNT movies are still lucky to break $100 domestically.

I think you're right about that. TMNT isn't really geared to be a bloated CGI-spectacle blockbuster at its core, but that's all Bay seemingly wants or understands, so they had to make some ludicrous conceptual decisions to hammer a square peg into a round hole. I keep saying it, but I really hope they look to the original 1990 movie and the success of Deadpool with the next reboot. There's no reason you can't make a great TMNT movie for $50 million.

[MathUser]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I stopped reading at this: "The second Platinum Dunes-produced TMNT reboot is everything we wanted the first film to be."

What's wrong with that? I'm sure you saw the rocksteady and bebop concept art they had developed for the first film.

[Vicky82]

Brad Fuller is getting backlash.

http://www.thefeaturepresentation.co...ash-from-fans/

The producer of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Out of the Shadows, has come under some fire this week after fans of the film were not satisfied with the highly-anticipated sequel. Well producer Brad Fuller has a few words for those fans: “You can’t make movies for only diehard fans.” In fact, during an interview with Screen Rant, Fuller did not even refer to the critics as fans; he instead called them “haters.”

“I don’t call them fans. They’re haters. And I hear from them all the time,” Fuller said. “Those are the people who send me emails and say, “Well how come you didn’t do a Turtle movie with the guys in suits?” And my response to that is always the same: “Those movies still exist.” And you can watch them all you want. We’re not stopping you from watching that. If someone is interested in a new telling of it, we’re offering that.”

Fuller also explained that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle family is trying to do something different with the new films in the franchise that he believes will be around for a very long time,

“I don’t mean to get too heady on it, but art is about the evolution of… in order for painters to paint today, there had to be guys that came before them and guys who came before them,” Fuller said. “And I do believe very strongly that there will be Turtle movies after us and our movie is just one stop on a long line, in the same way as Friday the 13th or Texas Chainsaw Massacre, different people take a run at different things, and some fans or haters are always offended that they’re taking these properties and doing something different to it.”

The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise has been around for over 30 years and in that time three generations of fans have come and gone. Fans can catch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 is now playing in theaters in the U.S.

[Shark_Blade]

He did the right thing: doing his own thing and ignoring those haters.

[beeshaw]

Originally Posted by Bry

TMNT isn't really geared to be a bloated CGI-spectacle blockbuster at its core, but that's all Bay seemingly wants or understands, so they had to make some ludicrous conceptual decisions to hammer a square peg into a round hole. I keep saying it, but I really hope they look to the original 1990 movie and the success of Deadpool with the next reboot. There's no reason you can't make a great TMNT movie for $50 million.

This.

I didn't hate OoTs, but the Turtles shouldn't be globe-trotting superheroes. They're ground level, back alley brawlers. We need MORE of that. We need fight scenes, not spectacle-over-substance set pieces.

Why did we need a 5 minute 'action(?)' scene of them getting to basketball game?Why the hell were they on the top of the Empire State building? Why not start with them just 'stealthily' sneaking into the jumbo-tron. It was a 'cool' scene, but added nothing to the movie.

I'd have rathered of scene a bigger/better/longer battle between them and Bebop and Rocksteady, or some Foot, or SHREDDER...

Slash the budget, get new writers, USE your fight choreographers and keep it simple.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Brad Fuller is getting backlash.

http://www.thefeaturepresentation.co...ash-from-fans/

Serves him right for delivering trash.

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Brad Fuller is getting backlash.

http://www.thefeaturepresentation.co...ash-from-fans/

I hate this guy so much. Comparing any Platinum Dunes film to art is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Brad Fuller is getting backlash.

http://www.thefeaturepresentation.co...ash-from-fans/

Ohhhh boy.

The producer of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Out of the Shadows, has come under some fire this week after fans of the film were not satisfied with the highly-anticipated sequel. Well producer Brad Fuller has a few words for those fans: “You can’t make movies for only diehard fans.”

Sure, that much is true. But you apparently didn't make movies for the general audience, either. The diehard fans aren't the reason this is underperforming, it's everyone else.

In fact, during an interview with Screen Rant, Fuller did not even refer to the critics as fans; he instead called them “haters.”

“I don’t call them fans. They’re haters. And I hear from them all the time,” Fuller said.

Ahh, the trusty Platinum Dunes defense. If the fans aren't happy, dismiss them as "haters" and act like they're the problem. Just like Michael Bay, Megan Fox, and Jeremy Howard. It's always good to know whose work you should avoid in the future.

“Those are the people who send me emails and say, “Well how come you didn’t do a Turtle movie with the guys in suits?” And my response to that is always the same: “Those movies still exist.” And you can watch them all you want. We’re not stopping you from watching that."

Cool! I'll do that instead.

"If someone is interested in a new telling of it, we’re offering that.”

...and apparently there aren't a ton of people who are interested, sooooooo...

“I don’t mean to get too heady on it, but art is about the evolution of… in order for painters to paint today, there had to be guys that came before them and guys who came before them,” Fuller said. “And I do believe very strongly that there will be Turtle movies after us and our movie is just one stop on a long line, in the same way as Friday the 13th or Texas Chainsaw Massacre, different people take a run at different things, and some fans or haters are always offended that they’re taking these properties and doing something different to it.”

"Art," he says.

I do agree that there will be Turtle movies after Platinum Dunes. Hopefully as soon as possible!

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Brad Fuller is getting backlash.

http://www.thefeaturepresentation.co...ash-from-fans/

Just as bad as Michael Bay.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by beeshaw

I didn't hate OoTs, but the Turtles shouldn't be globe-trotting superheroes. They're ground level, back alley brawlers. We need MORE of that. We need fight scenes, not spectacle-over-substance set pieces.

I don't know about "brawlers," but yeah. It's a fundamental flaw. They shouldn't be coming "Out of the Shadows"... they should be staying in them for f*ck's sake, using them. They're supposed to be ninja.

[MathUser]

Real ninjas still go outside during the day, but they take their ninja costumes off. So the turtles should be taking off their bandanas and knee and elbow pads when they go out during the day.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MathUser

Real ninjas still go outside during the day, but they take their ninja costumes off. So the turtles should be taking off their bandanas and knee and elbow pads when they go out during the day.

See my signature. I think Image TMNT had the most "geared-down" Turtles of any incarnation.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

He did the right thing: doing his own thing and ignoring those haters.

And you see how well that did for the films box office.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Xav

And you see how well that did for the films box office.

I think his reaction is pretty telling. We saw similar reactions last time, and once the dust settled they threw that movie and its director under the bus, effectively admitting the critics were right.

it's funny that he compares this situation to the PD remakes of A Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th -- both ultimately declared failures that are being rebooted once again. Should we read into that?