Why get all the anger at Michael Bay, though? - Page 2

d_osborn · 06-09-2016, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Meh there's absolutely no reason to be angry. If it wasn't for Bay and co. we'd never have any films at all. No other producers would approach or even be interested in this franchise but they did.

That's completely incorrect. Galen Walker was already working on producing a new adaptation before the Nick buyout. Viacom laid out the money with the intentions of Paramount distributing a new TMNT movie-- PD didn't bring them the idea. It was part of the plan from day one. A supposedly REALLY good script was generated in 2009 by John Fusco, but PD sold Paramount on their pitch of using the Transformers formula.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE LEAK THE FUSCO SCRIPT!

*IndigoErth* · 06-09-2016, 11:59 AM

Why? Because his finger prints are still all over this stuff and won't stay out of the way. As THE guy who can step in and say "No, I want you to do this instead" and they are expected to jump and obey (oBAY?) him, even if it's a stupid idea, then for better or worse he deserves just as much credit for his decisions as the writers do for theirs.

He forced them to include Casey in this. And while the audience would love to see Casey, he kind of obviously was insistent based on the character simply being a draw. But him forcing it to happen and forcing rewrites to work him in gave us a half-assed attempt at a character labeled as supposedly Casey.

*The Deadman* · 06-09-2016, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Wonderful,. That's like saying I rather have a broken arm than a broken leg. Yeah one is easier to manage but why would I want to break anything?

And he claims hes not a TMNT 2014 defender...oh okay.

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I don't even understand your example or how it relates to anything.

He's saying it doesnt matter who breaks what, as long as it gets broken.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-09-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

That's completely incorrect. Galen Walker was already working on producing a new adaptation before the Nick buyout. Viacom laid out the money with the intentions of Paramount distributing a new TMNT movie-- PD didn't bring them the idea. It was part of the plan from day one. A supposedly REALLY good script was generated in 2009 by John Fusco, but PD sold Paramount on their pitch of using the Transformers formula.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE LEAK THE FUSCO SCRIPT!

PM it to me... I'll say plead the 5th.

C'mon, you KNOW you want to.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-09-2016, 01:35 PM

Here's a fun Vanity Fair video.

I can say, they got a few things wrong, like, how much money a CG artist makes - they mistakenly attribute the departments budget with an individual...which is almost like saying the Waiter earned $8,500.00 that day, instead of saying "Restaurant", so yeah take most of the numbers as loose...

Percentage wise, per department, this is pretty much spot on. This doesn't include "points".

Oh, and notice there's no media attached. Marketing is another, 100m - which is why the break even point of any "blockbuster" is never cost of production.
(see also why BvS was a failure, and why PDMT2 will end the franchise for PD)

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 06-09-2016, 02:14 PM

Didn't someone in another thread Just Mention that it was Michael Bay's idea to have Megan Fox in the 'schoolgirl' outfit in this new one?

Producers can get there say into the matter. They can go 'these are the boundaries that you need to fall into'...only those boundaries suck.

If someone thinks that Michael Bay has nothing to do with it, then they are delusional. Plain and simple. Why? One example...You really think he had nothing to do with Megan Fox being cast? Seriously?

And to folks like Shark Blade who go 'well, then there would be no movies'....I really hope they were joking. I really, truly do.

Because if they really think that, with the atomic bomb of releases for 'Comic Book Films' that we're in right now...that No One would think to make a new film based on a Big Time Phenomenon in the early 1990s (which on top of that were Based on Comic Books?)

Nostalgia is in (Jurassic World, a new Star Wars flick, constant remakes of 80s/90s films). Comic Book Films are in (Avengers, Deadpool, Captain America, Thor, even more X-Men films).

A Ninja Turtles flick would have been made regardless 100%. Only...we want Competent people who gave a crap about it. Not idiots who also produced the remakes to The Hitcher and so forth.

*Bry* · 06-09-2016, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Oh, and notice there's no media attached. Marketing is another, 100m - which is why the break even point of any "blockbuster" is never cost of production.
(see also why BvS was a failure, and why PDMT2 will end the franchise for PD)

This makes me very curious how much those 7,000 TV spots from a month or so back would up costing them to produce and air...

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-09-2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

This makes me very curious how much those 7,000 TV spots from a month or so back would up costing them to produce and air...

The Media budget ranges, based on early test scores and screenings, and obviously studio confidence. They usually allocate half to two thirds of the cost of production to publicity, over and above the cost of production.

Also, a ****** commercial is just as expensive as a great commercial. There's no discount on bad ideas.

d_osborn · 06-09-2016, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

PM it to me... I'll say plead the 5th.

C'mon, you KNOW you want to.

I wish I could! I've been trying to get my mitts on it for years.

It's a shame THE BLUE DOOR leaked instead of that one.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-09-2016, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

I wish I could! I've been trying to get my mitts on it for years.

It's a shame THE BLUE DOOR leaked instead of that one.

I know you have it. Stop teasing already.

d_osborn · 06-09-2016, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I know you have it. Stop teasing already.

If I had it, you would have already seen a Troma-quality fan film adaptation made with recognizable porn stars in those slutty Halloween costumes as the TMNT and Ron Jeremy as Splinter.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-09-2016, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

If I had it, you would have already seen a Troma-quality fan film adaptation made with recognizable porn stars in those slutty Halloween costumes as the TMNT and Ron Jeremy as Splinter.

Um..... that's not Splinter's tail.....

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-10-2016, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by d_osborn

If I had it, you would have already seen a Troma-quality fan film adaptation made with recognizable porn stars in those slutty Halloween costumes as the TMNT and Ron Jeremy as Splinter.

U have my attention

Filespit · 06-10-2016, 01:26 PM

Bay may not have directed the movies or been directly involved in that sense, but it's so damn obvious he's been there with his magic fingers and pointed at a couple of things. You can easily point at his presence, and the similarities to the Transformers movies makes it easy to blame him.

~~TMNTInsighter~~ · 06-11-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Filespit

Bay may not have directed the movies or been directly involved in that sense, but it's so damn obvious he's been there with his magic fingers and pointed at a couple of things. You can easily point at his presence, and the similarities to the Transformers movies makes it easy to blame him.

Of course! Everyone forgets that just because the producer sits in the studio doesn't mean he's not one of, if not the, key figure. Unless he gives full discretion to the director (which Spielberg did for the Transformers movies), he's the director's boss. He's also the one who brings in the financing, handles all the paperwork, brings everyone together, checks in on the project, and approves everything up to and including every single cut you see in the theatre, etc. etc. There's a reason these guys are the ones who accept the Oscar for Best Picture after all.
Also, like I said, Bay's not a filmmaker--even when he is behind the camera! He's a businessman (most all), a marketer, and a con artist all in one. THAT is how he rakes in the money! If you're standing in his way, get out of his way! It's like standing in Walter White's way.

06-09-2016, 11:59 AM	#22
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Why? Because his finger prints are still all over this stuff and won't stay out of the way. As THE guy who can step in and say "No, I want you to do this instead" and they are expected to jump and obey (oBAY?) him, even if it's a stupid idea, then for better or worse he deserves just as much credit for his decisions as the writers do for theirs. He forced them to include Casey in this. And while the audience would love to see Casey, he kind of obviously was insistent based on the character simply being a draw. But him forcing it to happen and forcing rewrites to work him in gave us a half-assed attempt at a character labeled as supposedly Casey.

06-09-2016, 01:35 PM	#25
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	Here's a fun Vanity Fair video. I can say, they got a few things wrong, like, how much money a CG artist makes - they mistakenly attribute the departments budget with an individual...which is almost like saying the Waiter earned $8,500.00 that day, instead of saying "Restaurant", so yeah take most of the numbers as loose... Percentage wise, per department, this is pretty much spot on. This doesn't include "points". Oh, and notice there's no media attached. Marketing is another, 100m - which is why the break even point of any "blockbuster" is never cost of production. (see also why BvS was a failure, and why PDMT2 will end the franchise for PD)

06-09-2016, 02:14 PM	#26
Ramboraph4life aka Matt Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Liberty, Iowa Posts: 1,234	Didn't someone in another thread Just Mention that it was Michael Bay's idea to have Megan Fox in the 'schoolgirl' outfit in this new one? Producers can get there say into the matter. They can go 'these are the boundaries that you need to fall into'...only those boundaries suck. If someone thinks that Michael Bay has nothing to do with it, then they are delusional. Plain and simple. Why? One example...You really think he had nothing to do with Megan Fox being cast? Seriously? And to folks like Shark Blade who go 'well, then there would be no movies'....I really hope they were joking. I really, truly do. Because if they really think that, with the atomic bomb of releases for 'Comic Book Films' that we're in right now...that No One would think to make a new film based on a Big Time Phenomenon in the early 1990s (which on top of that were Based on Comic Books?) Nostalgia is in (Jurassic World, a new Star Wars flick, constant remakes of 80s/90s films). Comic Book Films are in (Avengers, Deadpool, Captain America, Thor, even more X-Men films). A Ninja Turtles flick would have been made regardless 100%. Only...we want Competent people who gave a crap about it. Not idiots who also produced the remakes to The Hitcher and so forth.

06-10-2016, 01:26 PM	#34
Filespit Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 424	Bay may not have directed the movies or been directly involved in that sense, but it's so damn obvious he's been there with his magic fingers and pointed at a couple of things. You can easily point at his presence, and the similarities to the Transformers movies makes it easy to blame him.