Turtle film designs? - Page 2

thundermaster612 · 06-22-2016, 04:30 PM

This is a thread about TMNT designs right? I guess what I'm about to ask kind of counts but I just watched the full B-Roll for the movie and I saw what Bebop and Rocksteady look like with mo-cap suits. My question is, how come the turtles need mo-cap shells but Bebop doesn't need a mo-cap stomach or something, in fact they should have more stuff on because they are bigger than the turtles but in real life they're actually smaller than the turtle actors... whats up with that? How come the turtles need extra stuff for the shell but B&R don't need extra stuff for... everything...

*Candy Kappa* · 06-22-2016, 04:48 PM

Considering how ginormous those halved shells the PD Turtles had attached to their backs as giant scabs. The actors probably had a mo-cap shell to move with the added weight.

*IndigoErth* · 06-22-2016, 06:23 PM

I remember seeing something that there were times they weren't wearing it, beyond that...? Maybe it necessarily affects the actor's own movement, reach, and whatnot and differently than just having a large gut would.

*chrisdude* · 06-22-2016, 07:35 PM

I imagine the shells are not just for weight, but for maneuvering around objects and rooms, so that their future CG shells won't clip objects or characters. I don't think B+R had many sequences where they interacted with things or people in close quarters, aside from scenes that were probably entirely CG.

thundermaster612 · 06-22-2016, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I remember seeing something that there were times they weren't wearing it, beyond that...? Maybe it necessarily affects the actor's own movement, reach, and whatnot and differently than just having a large gut would.

Well that's because they had stage performances that didn't require it. Also I noticed that in the B-Roll there was a badass clip that was cut where Bebop takes out two knives and fights Casey with Casey using that pipe

*IndigoErth* · 06-22-2016, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

Bebop takes out two knives and fights Casey with Casey using that pipe

Was it in the truck they were transporting Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady in? It happens in the book (sorta), but I couldn't recall if the knives existed in the film. In the book they are Casey's knives.

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~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-22-2016, 08:33 PM

Should look like mutant RES turtles.

Shellington · 06-25-2016, 05:01 PM

I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps.

The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well.

I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket.

Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better.

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg

*IndigoErth* · 06-25-2016, 05:44 PM

I dunno, Leo and Donnie are at least a little bit snouty still in profile at the very least (in a more 'realistic' kind of way, I guess). I just wish the straight on view didn't betray that and make their faces look flatter than they are. (Raph... there's no helping poor flat faced Raph. And Mikey muddling around somewhere in-between.)

*Sabacooza* · 06-25-2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

(Raph... there's no helping poor flat faced Raph.

Flat face? It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. However, I'd take the flatness over the protruding nose Mikey had in the first one. Man, that was ugly. Still kind of is.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-26-2016, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellington

I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps.

The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well.

I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket.

Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better.

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg

Technogeek29 · 06-26-2016, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellington

I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps.

The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well.

I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket.

Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better.

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg

You're telling me Don doesn't seem over the top to you? I think OOTS added more crap on him.

*Bry* · 06-26-2016, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellington

The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice.

Yeah, I remember that excuse -- I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now. If animatronics could pull it off in 1990 and 1991, CGI can sure as hell pull it off in 2014 and 2016. They actively chose to make their faces more humanoid to directly/easily paste the actor's expressions onto them. They could have given them a proper, classic TMNT appearance, they just chose not to.

*Powder* · 06-26-2016, 08:26 AM

This thread & conversations I've recently had with '42 inspired me to start doing my own live-action TMNT concept art. I guess my vision is something like Henson meets Nieli.

*Shark_Blade* · 06-26-2016, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TMNT is cooler than MOTU

I always thought the designs for this game were a perfect marriage between realistic and classic.

I'd also be pretty happy with something like this.

http://www.therpf.com/attachment.php...p;d=1389728936

Too ugly and wrinkly imo.

Doubt it's teenage at all.

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Base it of either of Sophie's designs:

http://orig03.deviantart.net/6be7/f/...fe-d52dovd.jpg

No I don't want tubby/cuddly/fluffy Winnie the Pooh design to be ninja turtles'. Just makes me vomit.

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or the OotS game:

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads...9-19-25-66.png

This one is a better compromise option.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-26-2016, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

They could have given them a proper, classic TMNT appearance, they just chose not to.

^^^^^^^^you win a noprize.

*ToTheNines* · 06-26-2016, 03:34 PM

Shellington is a plant. That is all.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 06-26-2016, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Shellington is a plant. That is all.

What gave it away? The blatantly scripted post copy, or the fact that It's using those discarded, ridiculous turtle glyphs from PD14.

@Shellington - Just a bit of advice; you're defense of the designs is indefensible.

*ToTheNines* · 06-26-2016, 03:47 PM

All of the above, and then some. At least he's nice. Some of those buggers can be pretty nasty. I guess Paramount rethought their strategy.

*Electric* · 06-26-2016, 05:43 PM

Regardless, I agree with Shellington, on just about everything with these designs

06-22-2016, 04:30 PM	#21
thundermaster612 Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Ninjago City Posts: 1,214	This is a thread about TMNT designs right? I guess what I'm about to ask kind of counts but I just watched the full B-Roll for the movie and I saw what Bebop and Rocksteady look like with mo-cap suits. My question is, how come the turtles need mo-cap shells but Bebop doesn't need a mo-cap stomach or something, in fact they should have more stuff on because they are bigger than the turtles but in real life they're actually smaller than the turtle actors... whats up with that? How come the turtles need extra stuff for the shell but B&R don't need extra stuff for... everything... __________________

06-22-2016, 04:48 PM	#22
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Considering how ginormous those halved shells the PD Turtles had attached to their backs as giant scabs. The actors probably had a mo-cap shell to move with the added weight. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

06-25-2016, 05:01 PM	#28
Shellington Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Lusaka, Zambia Posts: 106	I'm actually pretty cool with the film's designs, I think they are a great blend of new and previous designs. The OOTS designs are refined to be cleaner and lighter, so that helps. The Turtles design pays tribute to their 1987 (colored bandanas, harnesses) and 2012 designs (muscular Raph, short Mikey, lean Donnie), but also incorporate apparel and gear that suit them well. I thought Donnie and Mikey worked well with one having a proton pack and tech, and the other having urban cool stuff like a shell necklace and a jacket. Leo and Raph were a little more over-the-top: one was all samurai-like with bamboo armor and tabi, while the other had a do-rag luchador mask with shades and a loincloth; thankfully OOTS toned them down and they look much better. The only thing I really miss are the snouts. But in an interview below Jeremy Howard says they tried the snouts and it didn't work out for talking. So it was a sad but necessary sacrifice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gd2y3ftxg __________________ "We're ninjas." Leo, the Samurai "We're mutants!" Raph, the Outsider "Technically, we're turtles." Donnie, the Nerd "And we're teenagers." Mikey, the Teenager

06-26-2016, 05:43 PM	#40
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	Regardless, I agree with Shellington, on just about everything with these designs __________________

06-22-2016, 06:23 PM	#23
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	I remember seeing something that there were times they weren't wearing it, beyond that...? Maybe it necessarily affects the actor's own movement, reach, and whatnot and differently than just having a large gut would.

06-22-2016, 07:35 PM	#24
chrisdude Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,708	I imagine the shells are not just for weight, but for maneuvering around objects and rooms, so that their future CG shells won't clip objects or characters. I don't think B+R had many sequences where they interacted with things or people in close quarters, aside from scenes that were probably entirely CG.

06-22-2016, 08:33 PM	#27
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	Should look like mutant RES turtles.

06-25-2016, 05:44 PM	#29
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	I dunno, Leo and Donnie are at least a little bit snouty still in profile at the very least (in a more 'realistic' kind of way, I guess). I just wish the straight on view didn't betray that and make their faces look flatter than they are. (Raph... there's no helping poor flat faced Raph. And Mikey muddling around somewhere in-between.)

06-26-2016, 08:26 AM	#34
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	This thread & conversations I've recently had with '42 inspired me to start doing my own live-action TMNT concept art. I guess my vision is something like Henson meets Nieli.

06-26-2016, 03:34 PM	#37
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,375	Shellington is a plant. That is all.

06-26-2016, 03:47 PM	#39
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,375	All of the above, and then some. At least he's nice. Some of those buggers can be pretty nasty. I guess Paramount rethought their strategy.