Indepedence Day 2

[CyberCubed]

Or maybe its people like me who only see a select few movies in theaters and wait till everything else comes out on blu-ray or online streaming.

This is one of those, "I don't have to see it in theaters, but I'll watch it at home eventually" type movies. I'm sure millions of others are the same and that's why box office sales are so disappointing.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Or maybe its people like me who only see a select few movies in theaters and wait till everything else comes out on blu-ray or online streaming.

This is one of those, "I don't have to see it in theaters, but I'll watch it at home eventually" type movies. I'm sure millions of others are the same and that's why box office sales are so disappointing.

I'm the opposite, this is one of those movies you have to see in the theater, It's about the experience, seeing movies like this on a giant screen, in 3D with surround sound, you don't get that kind of experience watching a movie like this at home on a smaller screen, you can watch 3D and get surround sound in your home, but it doesn't look or sound the same as it does in a movie theater.

[ZariusTwo]

3D/IMAX is'nt that big a deal. It never was in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

This what happens when you release a potentially big movie a week after Finding Dory.

They should have spread out the movie release dates more not release them so close together or on the same day.

Resurgence's failings have nothing to do with being competitive with Dory, it's failings are in that it's a mess of a movie, and I say that as someone who went in thinking it wasn't half-bad. It needs a lot of editing though.

[TigerClaw]

Just saw the movie, I thought it was good, I don't know what these critics were expecting, they were probably expecting something along the lines of the first movie, but this is a continuation of the first film, it doesn't have to be retreads of the first, all the visual FX were good.

I thought the ending of the movie had a satisfying conclusion.

This movie is a perfect example why I go to the movies, I'm no hardcore movie snob who watches every single movie ever made, my movie watching is reserved for blockbuster popcorn type movies, cause movies like these are best experience on the big screen then at home.

Comedies and Dramas are movies better for home viewing, but big bombastic movies like this, are better on the big screen.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Just saw the movie, I thought it was good, I don't know what these critics were expecting

You mean aside from a well told and engaging story? Which judging by all the reviews that have come out, it failed to do that.

But hey, what do I know? As long as it got lotsa explosions and CGI thrown in your face, it's a 10/10, right TC?

[Spike Spiegel]

With the weekend BO totalling just under $42 million, that second sequel doesn't look all that likely.

I have some nostalgia for the original, but personally never thought a sequel was necessary.

Let all the tacky genre movies of yesteryear stay in the 90s where they belong.

[ZariusTwo]

I wonder what this boads for plans Emmerich has for a Stargate remake. Chances are it'll flop if it's made given his track record ain't so steller with this

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I wonder what this boads for plans Emmerich has for a Stargate remake. Chances are it'll flop if it's made given his track record ain't so steller with this

Roland Emmerich is gonna direct another scifi disaster movie called Moonfall at Universal.
http://deadline.com/2016/06/moonfall...ce-1201778886/

This movie is about the moon going on a collision course to Earth.

[TigerClaw]

The movie has made $102 Million internationally
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/bo...ry-1201803848/

“Independence Day: Resurgence” has launched impressively in international markets with $102.1 million in 57 markets with 21,872 screens.

China led the way with $37.3 million at 6,047 sites, representing the fourth-highest weekend in that market for a Fox title. That nearly matched the somewhat disappointing U.S. opening of $41.6 million.

South Korea led the rest of the pack with $7.4 million at 926 sites, followed by the U.K. with $7.3 million from 1,555, Mexico with $6.8 million at 2,783 and Taiwan with $3.7 million at 300. India opened with a bang, generating $3.5 million for the biggest Fox opening of all-time in the market.

Fox also reported “terrific” results across Asia and Latin America, with numerous markets generating the biggest opening weekend ever for a Roland Emmerich movie. The film opens in 11 new markets next weekend, including Spain and Sweden.

Imax locations generated $10.8 million internationally on 533 screens for “Independence Day: Resurgence.” That was a record-opening international weekend for a Fox release in Imax, topping “Deadpool” at $8.1 million.

With a $165 million production cost for the tentpole, Fox will require strong performances from international markets to become profitable. The original “Independence Day” was a smash hit with $306 million domestically and another $511 million overseas.

[The Deadman]

Independence Day 3 will be “an intergalactic journey”

Even though it’s not exactly setting the Earth on fire, Fox’s “Independence Day” sequel will ultimately make enough money back to probably a) keep Roland Emmerich in work (too bad) and b) greenlight a second sequel to the once gob-smacking “ID4” brand.

In fact, Emmerich’s already toying with one particular idea for the next instalment of ‘aliens blowing up famous landmarks’.

“The next one will be an intergalactic journey”, the filmmaker tells Empire . “It’ll be [set] maybe a year or two later, not 20 years [on]. I want to maintain this group of people, especially the young characters, and Jeff [Goldblum] and Brent [Spiner] will take part in it. It’ll be fun to keep that group together. I imagine them now going in one of these ships they’ve rebuilt into a wormhole. I think it’ll be the classic of going into space but it has to be about Earth, and we have a really good idea for that.”

Really no surprise that Emmerich has an idea already for the next chapter because at one stage he was aiming to shoot two “Independence Day” sequels back-to-back, so this “Part 3” idea is likely the same part 3 idea he’s had all along.

Watch those “young characters” try and wiggle out of their sequel contracts.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

You mean aside from a well told and engaging story? Which judging by all the reviews that have come out, it failed to do that.

If you went into the sequel to Independence Day expecting that, I don’t know what to tell you.

I saw it on the weekend, and I thought it was pretty good all things considered.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Here's my one gripe:

Spoiler:

Kinda sucks Will Smith didn't come back, so they say his character "died in a training exercise". Vivica A Fox's character dies, Bill Pullman's character dies, they might as well subtitled this, "Almost every character you liked from the original is either dead or gonna die in this movie". Why did they still not give the Aliens from the original a goddamn species name? and why the hell is Earth so damn paranoid?

other than that, solid film

[Xav]

Just saw the film. Though I do have to wonder whey they didn't try the virus trick again?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Likely cause they knew it wouldn't work again obviously but then again

[Refractive Reflections]

I watched the first movie before watching the second, so I could compare why the Rotten Tomatoes score dropped from 61% to 32% respectively, and I think a lot of it had to do with a lack of charismatic characters and establishing their bonds.

The first movie was more character-driven since the audience sees a lot of the details of the characters' lives: President Whitmore's (Bill Pullman) family with his wife and daughter, David Levinson's (Jeff Goldblum) father and ex-wife, Steve Hiller (Will Smith) and his girlfriend and son and best friend, etc. There are a lot of moments where the characters bond with each other and actually create a stronger network of unlikely friendships. This, with of course the iconic landmark destruction scenes, are what make the movie more entertaining than the usual "aliens take over the planet" generic movie.

In the second movie, it introduces a lot of the "new generation" characters, but doesn't go into the depth and detail as the first one, and it makes it more difficult to empathize with the characters. There is a lot of implicit recognition (i.e. Dylan Hiller's relationship with his mother, and with hot-head Jake Morrison), but the scenes are too brief and are brushed aside quickly.

Plus, the new characters are not memorably charismatic, and it seems like Jeff Goldblum, Judd Hirsch, and Brent Spiner had to do a lot of the heavily lifting in bringing back at least some of the more entertaining aspects of their characters' personalities. It's too bad Will Smith wasn't in the movie, but considering that he wanted $50 million for the back-to-back sequels, I can see why the production company refused to have him, but it would have bought a great father-son dynamic into the movie.

Spoiler:

The previous characters who did come back, such as Bill Pullman and Vivica Fox, I don't think their characters were used to their fullest potential. Bill Pullman's character was relegated more into the paranoid PTSD character with intermittent inspirational speeches/actions (similar to Randy Quaid's character in ID 1), and Fox's character was merely used a trite device for Jessie Usher's character (Dylan Dubrow-Hiller) that held very little weight (since she was only in the movie for 2 minutes) when her character died.

One new character that holds some promise was Deobia Operai's character (Dikembe Umbutu), in how the provincial African state was able to fight off the aliens before the development of hybrid technology. A summary of the novel Independence Day: Crucible (the novel that bridges the events between the two movies), has a intriguing backstory for him.

Upon looking further into the Independence Day: Crucible novel, it seems that reading the novel would have helped to establish the events of the sequel and the introduction of the new characters for the Resurgence movie according to some of the reviewers. Though of course, this is a novel meant to promote the Resurgence movie, and the reviewers have mentioned to not expect as much action/adventure, but it does provide more details as to Steven Hiller's death (Will Smith's character), what happened to Constance Spano (David Levinson's ex-wife from ID 1), more about Dr. Okun's coma (Brent Spiner's character), the beginnings for most of the new generation cast in ID 2, and how exactly the world came together politically during this 20 year span. Most readers see the novel as entertaining, if anyone is curious to look further into it.

...But it still shouldn't excuse why the second movie couldn't achieve the same entertaining value as the first. Looking back at some of the trailers and clips of the movie, it seems like there could have been more of these character moments and development (i.e. David Levinson speaking to Dylan Dubrow-Hiller about how brave his father was), and I won't be surprised if there are a significant amount of deleted scenes when the DVD comes out. If the second movie could have added an additional 20-30 minutes (which would make it the same length as the first) to focus on the characters, it could have been received better.

So would I recommend seeing it? If you're a die-hard fan, sure go ahead. It will definitely feed your intrigue as to what has happened since then, in terms of plot development, but I would recommend seeing it for a discounted price (in the morning or afternoons when ticket prices are cheaper). For the more casual fan, I would hold off until renting it or viewing it online/cable. As some of the YouTube reviewers have stated, it's moderately entertaining, but it doesn't leave a memorable impression nor at least provide the interest in looking forward to ID 3.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Resurgence's failings have nothing to do with being competitive with Dory, it's failings are in that it's a mess of a movie, and I say that as someone who went in thinking it wasn't half-bad. It needs a lot of editing though.

Exactly. The poor editing was especially noticeable during the alien interrogation scene when the characters are suddenly showing up and are noticing what's happening, and during the D.C. remembrance celebration. The scenes were choppy.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

I watched the first movie before watching the second, so I could compare why the Rotten Tomatoes score dropped from 61% to 32% respectively, and I think a lot of it had to do with a lack of charismatic characters and establishing their bonds.

The first movie was more character-driven since the audience sees a lot of the details of the characters' lives: President Whitmore's (Bill Pullman) family with his wife and daughter, David Levinson's (Jeff Goldblum) father and ex-wife, Steve Hiller (Will Smith) and his girlfriend and son and best friend, etc. There are a lot of moments where the characters bond with each other and actually create a stronger network of unlikely friendships. This, with of course the iconic landmark destruction scenes, are what make the movie more entertaining than the usual "aliens take over the planet" generic movie.

In the second movie, it introduces a lot of the "new generation" characters, but doesn't go into the depth and detail as the first one, and it makes it more difficult to empathize with the characters. There is a lot of implicit recognition (i.e. Dylan Hiller's relationship with his mother, and with hot-head Jake Morrison), but the scenes are too brief and are brushed aside quickly.

Plus, the new characters are not memorably charismatic, and it seems like Jeff Goldblum, Judd Hirsch, and Brent Spiner had to do a lot of the heavily lifting in bringing back at least some of the more entertaining aspects of their characters' personalities. It's too bad Will Smith wasn't in the movie, but considering that he wanted $50 million for the back-to-back sequels, I can see why the production company refused to have him, but it would have bought a great father-son dynamic into the movie.

Spoiler:

The previous characters who did come back, such as Bill Pullman and Vivica Fox, I don't think their characters were used to their fullest potential. Bill Pullman's character was relegated more into the paranoid PTSD character with intermittent inspirational speeches/actions (similar to Randy Quaid's character in ID 1), and Fox's character was merely used a trite device for Jessie Usher's character (Dylan Dubrow-Hiller) that held very little weight (since she was only in the movie for 2 minutes) when her character died.

One new character that holds some promise was Deobia Operai's character (Dikembe Umbutu), in how the provincial African state was able to fight off the aliens before the development of hybrid technology. A summary of the novel Independence Day: Crucible (the novel that bridges the events between the two movies), has a intriguing backstory for him.

Upon looking further into the Independence Day: Crucible novel, it seems that reading the novel would have helped to establish the events of the sequel and the introduction of the new characters for the Resurgence movie according to some of the reviewers. Though of course, this is a novel meant to promote the Resurgence movie, and the reviewers have mentioned to not expect as much action/adventure, but it does provide more details as to Steven Hiller's death (Will Smith's character), what happened to Constance Spano (David Levinson's ex-wife from ID 1), more about Dr. Okun's coma (Brent Spiner's character), the beginnings for most of the new generation cast in ID 2, and how exactly the world came together politically during this 20 year span. Most readers see the novel as entertaining, if anyone is curious to look further into it.

...But it still shouldn't excuse why the second movie couldn't achieve the same entertaining value as the first. Looking back at some of the trailers and clips of the movie, it seems like there could have been more of these character moments and development (i.e. David Levinson speaking to Dylan Dubrow-Hiller about how brave his father was), and I won't be surprised if there are a significant amount of deleted scenes when the DVD comes out. If the second movie could have added an additional 20-30 minutes (which would make it the same length as the first) to focus on the characters, it could have been received better.

So would I recommend seeing it? If you're a die-hard fan, sure go ahead. It will definitely feed your intrigue as to what has happened since then, in terms of plot development, but I would recommend seeing it for a discounted price (in the morning or afternoons when ticket prices are cheaper). For the more casual fan, I would hold off until renting it or viewing it online/cable. As some of the YouTube reviewers have stated, it's moderately entertaining, but it doesn't leave a memorable impression nor at least provide the interest in looking forward to ID 3.



Exactly. The poor editing was especially noticeable during the alien interrogation scene when the characters are suddenly showing up and are noticing what's happening, and during the D.C. remembrance celebration. The scenes were choppy.

Maybe they will release a special edition of the movie with added scenes on blu-ray, like they did with the first one.

[TigerClaw]

Release Date and Special Features revealed for the Blu-ray.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi...rgence-a144840

Digital HD on September 23 and on 4K Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, & Blu-ray release on October 18.

SPECIAL FEATURES:

Eight Deleted Scenes with Audio Commentary by Roland Emmerich
The War of 1996
It's Early, ABQ!
Another Day: The Making of Independence Day: Resurgence
Gag Reel
Audio Commentary by Roland Emmerich
Concept Art
Theatrical Trailers and TV Spot

4K BLU-RAY TECHNICAL SPECS:

Audio
English Dolby Atmos
English Descriptive Audio 5.1
Spanish 5.1 DD
French 5.1 DTS
Subtitles
English
English SDH
French
Spanish

3D BLU-RAY/BLU-RAY TECHNICAL SPECS:

Audio
English DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
English Descriptive Audio 5.1
Spanish 5.1 DD
French 5.1 DTS
Subtitles
English
English SDH
French
Spanish

4k Blu-ray

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[TheSkeletonMan939]

Man, this movie really came and went, didn't it? No one talked about it after a week after its release.

[Shark_Blade]

I don't need to watch Liam Hemsworth taking a piss and taking a crap in front of aliens ever again.

If there's more sequel, count me out forever.