Alton Sterling - Page 2

*ToTheNines* · 07-08-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Has the NRA made a statement?
I've been offline for the last few hours, curious as to whether they've maintained their silence.

They finally did

Seemed kinda insincere to me.

*Spike Spiegel* · 07-08-2016, 08:30 PM

I'd like to know what facts of that situation are unclear to these guys.

*Ninturtle* · 07-08-2016, 08:53 PM

I can understand the officer being scared that Alton had a gun and was attempting to reach for it but shooting him ( multiple times might I add ) is beyond excessive force.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 07-08-2016, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

They finally did

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm3edw1WYAAsBCA.jpg

Seemed kinda insincere to me.

Pfft.

Again, I say: Pfft.

*ToTheNines* · 07-08-2016, 09:10 PM

As a pretty strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, just let me say that the NRA is ****. They're only a lobbyist for the firearms manufacturing industry, they don't care about the American people. I'm surprised they even issued a statement.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 07-08-2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

As a pretty strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, just let me say that the NRA is ****. They're only a lobbyist for the firearms manufacturing industry, they don't care about the American people. I'm surprised they even issued a statement.

The reports from Minnesota are troubling.

F'ing understatement.

When a Texas has problems with the NRA, you know you done f'ed up.

*plastroncafe* · 07-08-2016, 09:30 PM

Oh so NOW the NRA has learned the value of restraint.
Well that was well and conveniently timed.

*Netkeeper* · 07-08-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

As a pretty strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, just let me say that the NRA is ****. They're only a lobbyist for the firearms manufacturing industry, they don't care about the American people. I'm surprised they even issued a statement.

I don't mean to start an arguement, so I'm just going to call this more a statement of fact, but I just don't comprehend how someone can support the right to bear arms in this day and age.

*ToTheNines* · 07-08-2016, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Netkeeper

I don't mean to start an arguement, so I'm just going to call this more a statement of fact, but I just don't comprehend how someone can support the right to bear arms in this day and age.

I have a home defense shot gun and a .22 rifle just for target practice. I do find it hilarious that people think the 2nd amendment protects them from tyranny though... if the government wants to pull anything, they're gonna have us outsmarted and outgunned in any scenario.

I think we need some more firearm regulation, but I just fear that it'll be a step in the wrong direction. If we end up having a complete gun ban, law abiding citizens have no guns, but the criminals and psychos will still have them.

And don't get me started on the criminalization of unnecessary **** and the net widening that follows. The last thing America needs is more citizens in prison.

*Netkeeper* · 07-09-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I do find it hilarious that people think the 2nd amendment protects them from tyranny though... if the government wants to pull anything, they're gonna have us outsmarted and outgunned in any scenario.

Yeah, exactly, and that's why I don't support any guns at all. Now they're only tools for hunting [which I don't like the practice of at all, either] and murder. They wouldn't be necessary for self-defense if they were infinitely harder for everyone in the country to get, and if you wanted to shoot something, there's always non-fatal weapons, including gun-shaped ones. Although I personally would find fencing or archery way more fun. [I also wouldn't have as big a problem with hunting if they used things like bows and arrows instead of ****ing guns]

The right to bear arms was granted because back then it was necessary, but like you said, if the government wants to pull anything, they'll pull it and we won't be able to do a damn thing about it, guns in hand or no.

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The last thing America needs is more citizens in prison.

Also, you're very very right about this too. That's a particular subject I have a lot of feelings about since it affects me on a personal level.

*ToTheNines* · 07-09-2016, 10:39 AM

I enjoy archery way more, so it wouldn't bother me as far as recreation goes.

But if there ever is a gun ban, that won't solve anything. The government has prohibited the sale of most drugs, but I could score heroin, coke, mushrooms or meth before the sun goes down, if not quicker. No exaggeration.

Same can be said for a prostitute.

*Netkeeper* · 07-09-2016, 11:29 AM

Well, I mean, you can just grow mushrooms and most of those other drugs are still pretty easy to cultivate yourself. Different than a gun.

*ToTheNines* · 07-09-2016, 01:03 PM

Apples to oranges, I know. I'm just saying just because the government says "you can't have that", doesn't mean people won't have it anyways. And it'll pretty much be the same people who you DON'T want to have them in first place.

*plastroncafe* · 07-09-2016, 01:15 PM

The laws we have in place aren't there to just deter people from breaking them, but to give people recourse when they are broken.

So yeah, passing legislation that says NO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT is never going to be 100% effective in keeping those things off the streets, but...when people are found with them, it's grounds for further prosecution.

*ToTheNines* · 07-09-2016, 03:01 PM

Yay! More penal system fodder!

*ssjup81* · 07-09-2016, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Yeah, exactly, and that's why I don't support any guns at all. Now they're only tools for hunting [which I don't like the practice of at all, either] and murder. They wouldn't be necessary for self-defense if they were infinitely harder for everyone in the country to get, and if you wanted to shoot something, there's always non-fatal weapons, including gun-shaped ones. Although I personally would find fencing or archery way more fun. [I also wouldn't have as big a problem with hunting if they used things like bows and arrows instead of ****ing guns]

I honestly have no problem with people hunting if it's for food. Near where I live in VA, there are some hunting grounds and we can pay hunters to hunt deer and bring back the meat for us. My family's never actually done this, though. I'm 100% against people who hunt for sport.

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The right to bear arms was granted because back then it was necessary, but like you said, if the government wants to pull anything, they'll pull it and we won't be able to do a damn thing about it, guns in hand or no.

Also, you're very very right about this too. That's a particular subject I have a lot of feelings about since it affects me on a personal level.

I pretty much agree with all of what you guys have said. The 2nd amendment is obsolete when you get down to it, and pointless as well as seriously outdated. It was put out during a time when people had muskets and stuff. They really need to update it or something.

I don't think getting rid of guns will ever happen because of all the paranoid people who feel they need one.

*sighs* I've been in Japan too long...the paranoia of moving back home and getting accidentally shot scares me...

*plastroncafe* · 07-09-2016, 09:31 PM

I don't think it's obsolete so long as the "well regulated" clause is actually adhered to.

*Netkeeper* · 07-10-2016, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

I honestly have no problem with people hunting if it's for food. Near where I live in VA, there are some hunting grounds and we can pay hunters to hunt deer and bring back the meat for us. My family's never actually done this, though. I'm 100% against people who hunt for sport.

Yeah I don't care as much about people hunting for food, but the fact is that the vast majority of hunters don't. Even if they're going to eat it, the hunting aspect is pretty unnecessary most of the time.

*ToTheNines* · 07-10-2016, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Yeah I don't care as much about people hunting for food, but the fact is that the vast majority of hunters don't. Even if they're going to eat it, the hunting aspect is pretty unnecessary most of the time.

You have to realize though, these people are meat eaters. If not a deer or turkey in the woods (which easily might end up as roadkill or prey to a coyote), then they're just gonna go home and eat a pig, cow or chicken that had a short, miserable life.

*Netkeeper* · 07-10-2016, 10:49 AM

Yes, but at least the animals we breed for food aren't out in the wild, and mass murder of particular species can be damaging to the ecosystem. I mean, I know there are laws and whatnot to try and keep things balanced, but we humans literally breed animals for the purpose of food, can we just eat that?

I know the treatment of those animals is generally pretty awful, but that's a different issue altogether.

07-09-2016, 11:29 AM	#32
Netkeeper tactical blackquill Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas, but not for much longer Posts: 3,645	Well, I mean, you can just grow mushrooms and most of those other drugs are still pretty easy to cultivate yourself. Different than a gun. __________________

07-10-2016, 10:49 AM	#40
Netkeeper tactical blackquill Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas, but not for much longer Posts: 3,645	Yes, but at least the animals we breed for food aren't out in the wild, and mass murder of particular species can be damaging to the ecosystem. I mean, I know there are laws and whatnot to try and keep things balanced, but we humans literally breed animals for the purpose of food, can we just eat that? I know the treatment of those animals is generally pretty awful, but that's a different issue altogether. __________________

07-08-2016, 08:53 PM	#23
Ninturtle Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2014 Location: Earth Posts: 1,534	I can understand the officer being scared that Alton had a gun and was attempting to reach for it but shooting him ( multiple times might I add ) is beyond excessive force.

07-08-2016, 09:10 PM	#25
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,388	As a pretty strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, just let me say that the NRA is ****. They're only a lobbyist for the firearms manufacturing industry, they don't care about the American people. I'm surprised they even issued a statement.

07-09-2016, 10:39 AM	#31
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,388	I enjoy archery way more, so it wouldn't bother me as far as recreation goes. But if there ever is a gun ban, that won't solve anything. The government has prohibited the sale of most drugs, but I could score heroin, coke, mushrooms or meth before the sun goes down, if not quicker. No exaggeration. Same can be said for a prostitute.

07-09-2016, 01:03 PM	#33
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,388	Apples to oranges, I know. I'm just saying just because the government says "you can't have that", doesn't mean people won't have it anyways. And it'll pretty much be the same people who you DON'T want to have them in first place.

07-09-2016, 03:01 PM	#35
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,388	Yay! More penal system fodder!