Realistically speaking, what will Paramount do with TMNT now?

[neatoman]

OK, it's been almost two months now (53 days counted by BOM) and OotS has made less than half of what the last one made domestically, the foreign gross is a little hard to tell at this point but it looks like it's going to to be roughly half or less as well. And most amusing of all, not only did the previous movie open stronger, it was doing almost ten times better by the seventh week.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdow...id=newtmnt.htm

So realistically, this means there simply won't be a third one, the first barely made enough money to justify a sequel and said sequel both failed opening weekend and dropped in ticket sales much quicker. So the question is, what's the most realistic future for TMNT movies? A complete abandonment of the IP? A series of straight to digital kids' movies?

Spoiler:

I also find it kind amusing that despite what people here and on the internet in general might make you think, the first of the PD TMNT movies would actually be the more popular of the two according to the box office numbers. I mean seriously, more than twice as much in total and ten times better weekly after two months? The gap is huge.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

OK, it's been almost two months now (53 days counted by BOM) and OotS has made less than half of what the last one made domestically, the foreign gross is a little hard to tell at this point but it looks like it's going to to be roughly half or less as well. And most amusing of all, not only did the previous movie open stronger, it was doing almost ten times better by the seventh week.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdow...id=newtmnt.htm

So realistically, this means there simply won't be a third one, the first barely made enough money to justify a sequel and said sequel failed both failed opening weekend and dropped in ticket sales much quicker. So the question is, what's the most realistic future for TMNT movies? A complete abandonment of the IP? A series of straight to digital kids' movies?

Spoiler:

I also find it kind amusing that despite what people here and on the internet in general might make you think, the first of the PD TMNT movies would actually be the more popular of the two according to the box office numbers. I mean seriously, more than twice as much in total and ten times better weekly after two months? The gap is huge.

I still feel like Bay and PD will try a TMNT/Transformers crossover, due to Transformers being HUGELY successful in the box office.

[Andrew NDB]

No matter what they do it's going in the freezer for a good number of years first. Deep under the ice. Where it will wait...

[CyberCubed]

Everytime a TMNT movie line ends, its a long gap between the next one:

TMNT III came out in 1993....TMNT 4 came out in 2007. That was a 14 year gap.

TMNT 4 came out in 2007...the Paramount TMNT came out in 2014....that's a 7 year gap.

I expect a 7+ year gap if there's no TMNT III in this movie universe.

[Powder]

The last time a live action iteration failed we were able to enjoy new comics from Image.

Let's see that trend continue.

[d_osborn]

Far-fetched, but here's what I'm hoping. Viacom sees the stark difference (creative, financial, etc.) between Sony's in-house SPIDER-MAN movies and what is lovingly produced by Marvel. They recognize that a hugely popular IP has potential, even though previous iterations weren't quite as successful as they had hoped.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Spoiler:

I also find it kind amusing that despite what people here and on the internet in general might make you think, the first of the PD TMNT movies would actually be the more popular of the two according to the box office numbers. I mean seriously, more than twice as much in total and ten times better weekly after two months? The gap is huge.

To be fair, the first had plenty of mystery to draw people in as no one really quite knew what to expect. Esp the casual nostalgic viewer who wasn't hunting for every bit of info like us and went in with far less information.

The second, well... No more mystery, people had an idea of what to expect and apparently got over the nostalgic kick after one film. Which is a shame, considering the aspects that plenty do think it improved on.



As for what they do now... hard to tell, I guess. I suppose it could depend partly on any determination to round it out with a third and who's funding it... if anyone.

There was articles the other day about that China's Alibaba Group and another company planning on creating a fund to invest in tv and film. Though who knows if that will only be local or include anything from Hollywood. And would they still see another TMNT film as viable or not... (Wonder if they could pull some weight and force it to acquire new writers and get Bay to back off.)

Safe to say though I'm sure many will at least prob keep an ear out for a while for any slight hint at a possible third. Though I guess were it to happen it would probably have to be driven by those who simply want it to happen, while if certain people who are only interested in its earnings pass on being involved...that would be just fine.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Far-fetched, but here's what I'm hoping. Viacom sees the stark difference (creative, financial, etc.) between Sony's in-house SPIDER-MAN movies and what is lovingly produced by Marvel. They recognize that a hugely popular IP has potential, even though previous iterations weren't quite as successful as they had hoped.

Maybe if they hired different writers, and Michael Bay letting the writer and director a lot more creative control this time, the problem is Michael Bay is a bit of a control freak since he owns the studio that produced the films.

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Maybe if they hired different writers, and Michael Bay letting the writer and director a lot more creative control this time, the problem is Michael Bay is a bit of a control freak since he owns the studio that produced the films.

Does anyone know the details of the deal with Paramount and Platinum Dunes? It's possible PD won't even be involved in future movies.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Does anyone know the details of the deal with Paramount and Platinum Dunes? It's possible PD won't even be involved in future movies.

What future movies? lol. It's over, can't you feel it? The bubble burst man.
CBM's are plummeting as the summer BO continues to underperform.

nah nhanha na... na na na na...hey hey hey...

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Does anyone know the details of the deal with Paramount and Platinum Dunes? It's possible PD won't even be involved in future movies.

Who else does Viacom/Paramount have ties with? Looks like maybe DreamWorks? (Or is Paramount able to just try to get anyone they want? I'm not sure how that part works.)

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Does anyone know the details of the deal with Paramount and Platinum Dunes? It's possible PD won't even be involved in future movies.

Who knows? I'm assuming Paramount just sort trusted Platinum Dunes with TMNT but I don't think there's some kind of exclusive deal, at most I think Platinum Dunes were just allowed to use TMNT for as long as it was financially sound. Now that it's pretty much assumed that the movie lost money, Paramount probably won't trust Platinum Dunes with a third chance.

It's worth noting that the TMNT movies were the highest budgeted movies Platinum Dunes ever produced, the third highest budget was A Nightmare on Elm Street at $35 million, which makes you understand why most of their movies are technically financial successes. Giving them a budget of over $120 million was probably overestimating their abilities.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Who knows? I'm assuming Paramount just sort trusted Platinum Dunes with TMNT but I don't think there's some kind of exclusive deal, at most I think Platinum Dunes were just allowed to use TMNT for as long as it was financially sound. Now that it's pretty much assumed that the movie lost money, Paramount probably won't trust Platinum Dunes with a third chance.

There is no possible way there would be a deal in place forcing Viacom/Paramount to use Platinum Dunes for any and all future movies. That would be insane, the incentives for Viacom/Paramount to sign such a deal equating to absolute zero.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There is no possible way there would be a deal in place forcing Viacom/Paramount to use Platinum Dunes for any and all future movies. That would be insane, the incentives for Viacom/Paramount to sign such a deal equating to absolute zero.

Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

What future movies? lol. It's over, can't you feel it? The bubble burst man.
CBM's are plummeting as the summer BO continues to underperform.

As long as nerd franchises are hot, they'll be exploited. I absolutely don't see the current PD TMNT continuing, though. If the franchise isn't completely dead, if merch continues to sell, I can definitely see Viacom trying something new in a few years.

It's a familiar, well-known title that Viacom owns outright, and we live in a franchised, reboot world. TMNT was dormant so long because Laird held it tightly.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

There is no possible way there would be a deal in place forcing Viacom/Paramount to use Platinum Dunes for any and all future movies. That would be insane, the incentives for Viacom/Paramount to sign such a deal equating to absolute zero.

It could easily be a handshake deal to keep Bay happy at Paramount. He's raking in the dough left and right for them.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

As long as nerd franchises are hot, they'll be exploited. I absolutely don't see the current PD TMNT continuing, though. If the franchise isn't completely dead, if merch continues to sell, I can definitely see Viacom trying something new in a few years.

It's a familiar, well-known title that Viacom owns outright, and we live in a franchised, reboot world. TMNT was dormant so long because Laird held it tightly.


It could easily be a handshake deal to keep Bay happy at Paramount. He's raking in the dough left and right for them.

Dude, we both know the tide is turning. Here's the thing; I WANT that TMNT movie of my dreams, I really really really do.

The market is cooling, despite what we want.

Nobody wants to admit it yet, but Bay had his way with the franchise, now it's turned out full of scabies, chlamydia and hooked on meth.

It's over man! The reign of Pokemon, and the return of Spice girls is imminent.
More to the point, the genre took big hits this year in BVS and the general saturation of the market.

Forecast? Cheap, little low risk films will return, probably fronted by youtube sensations and helmed by nobodies. Film's been dying for a while, but Netflix and Amazon are killing it.

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Dude, we both know the tide is turning. Here's the thing; I WANT that TMNT movie of my dreams, I really really really do.

The market is cooling, despite what we want.

Nobody wants to admit it yet, but Bay had his way with the franchise, now it's turned out full of scabies, chlamydia and hooked on meth.

It's over man! The reign of Pokemon, and the return of Spice girls is imminent.
More to the point, the genre took big hits this year in BVS and the general saturation of the market.

Forecast? Cheap, little low risk films will return, probably fronted by youtube sensations and helmed by nobodies. Film's been dying for a while, but Netflix and Amazon are killing it.

I can't argue film vs streaming, or that CBMs are pointing downward. I hardly think we've seen the last of the modern wave of franchise exploitation, though. If the Viacom bean counters think they can squeeze profit from the IP, I have no doubt that they'll try. What form? No clue.

Personally, I would be all over a streaming series. Blow the FX load on the TMNT faces mapped on physical suits, let everything else be smaller scale stories. Give the kids the cartoon, give older fans something Daredevil-esque.

The next few years will be interesting. ...or not!

For the record, I will be super pissed if we went through a two-picture franchise reboot in what could easily be described as the golden age of nostalgic merch WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL RELEASE OF THE 1990 MOVIE SCORE!!!!!!!!

[Sabacooza]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

For the record, I will be super pissed if we went through a two-picture franchise reboot in what could easily be described as the golden age of nostalgic merch WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL RELEASE OF THE 1990 MOVIE SCORE!!!!!!!!

Why not go all the way and also have a deluxe edition blueray with all the bells and whistles. That's what I really want to see. It's a sin to not release all the deleted scenes and behind the scenes making of stuff. Do it as a bundle.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

I can't argue film vs streaming, or that CBMs are pointing downward. I hardly think we've seen the last of the modern wave of franchise exploitation, though. If the Viacom bean counters think they can squeeze profit from the IP, I have no doubt that they'll try. What form? No clue.

Personally, I would be all over a streaming series. Blow the FX load on the TMNT faces mapped on physical suits, let everything else be smaller scale stories. Give the kids the cartoon, give older fans something Daredevil-esque.

The next few years will be interesting. ...or not!

For the record, I will be super pissed if we went through a two-picture franchise reboot in what could easily be described as the golden age of nostalgic merch WITHOUT AN OFFICIAL RELEASE OF THE 1990 MOVIE SCORE!!!!!!!!

Exactly! We're totally on the same page.

Originally Posted by Sabacooza

Why not go all the way and also have a deluxe edition blueray with all the bells and whistles. That's what I really want to see. It's a sin to not release all the deleted scenes and behind the scenes making of stuff. Do it as a bundle.

Isn't the hold up some sort of legal battle amongst the director and studio of the 1990 film?
I don't think it's for a lack of material, but a lot of old grudges surrounding money owed...

[snake]

No more movies for a long, long time.