So its been over a month, I guess no TMNT 3 has been greenlit?

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Don't we usually hear about sequels being greenlit shortly after a previous movie comes out? Well TMNT 2 is now gone from theaters and has been done for over a month...and we have not heard anything about a sequel.

So I guess we can finally stick a fork in it and say its done? If they didn't announce a sequel now, I guess they never will.

There's the home video coming out in September, perhaps they are waiting for how well it will sell before they greenlight, sometimes sequels get the greenlight when they make a lot of money on the DVD/Blu-ray sales.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

There's the home video coming out in September, perhaps they are waiting for how well it will sell before they greenlight, sometimes sequels get the greenlight when they make a lot of money on the DVD/Blu-ray sales.

Yeah, like Dredd!

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[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yeah, like Dredd!

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Dredd might become a TV series.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Dredd might become a TV series.

They've been talking about that for years and it's no closer to reality than it was when the first one came out.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They've been talking about that for years and it's no closer to reality than it was when the first one came out.

Yep. This.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

And second...Secret of the Ooze was not a flop. That's the difference. It cost around $25 million and made about $80 million. That was in 1991 dollars (when tickets were much, much cheaper). Would love to see what that would be when adjusted for inflation.

So the truth of the matter is that Secret of the Ooze was a bigger (as well as an actual) box office success than Out of the Shadows.

I didn't say flop, I said underperformed. SOTO's budget was double Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' and it made half as much money.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Depends greatly on how the toy sales were for this movie.

Reminded me I saw this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-to...-idUSKCN105258

Star Wars may propel U.S. toy industry to best year since '99: NPD
Jul 25, 2016

The Force is with the U.S. toy industry this year.

Demand for Star Wars merchandise is set to propel toy sales growth to a 17 year-high, according to industry research firm The NPD Group.

...blah blah blah...

Sales of toys based on new movies such as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows," "The Secret Life of Pets" and "Trolls" are expected to boost the toymakers' sales in the second half of the year.

I'm curious to see if that plays out. And suprised they're making that prediction after the film didn't do so great. But...I guess merchandise might still sell okay even if the film didn't?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Reminded me I saw this:


I'm curious to see if that plays out. And suprised they're making that prediction after the film didn't do so great. But...I guess merchandise might still sell okay even if the film didn't?

not possible. SW yes...but OOTS? lololololololololo

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lololololollo


no.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

not possible. SW yes...but OOTS? lololololololololo

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lololololollo


no.

Well... In the movie's defense, I am planning to get the Bebop, Rocksteady, and Krang figures for my son's birthday soon. I prefer them to the Nick versions.

But no. Toy sales alone will not be enough to save a horrible movie.

[THGhost]

Spoiler:

[Leolead]

The franchise is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy for TMNT fans.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Leolead

The franchise is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy for TMNT fans.

That's a five star post, soldier

[Andrew NDB]

[sdp]

While it does make it less likely I'd say it has a year before we can call it officially dead. Right now they might still be in restructuring mode seeing what they should do for the sequel differently or if it's just not worth it. If they don't see it worth it then don't look forward to another take in ten years or so that's my prediction.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

While it does make it less likely I'd say it has a year before we can call it officially dead. Right now they might still be in restructuring mode seeing what they should do for the sequel differently or if it's just not worth it. If they don't see it worth it then don't look forward to another take in ten years or so that's my prediction.

Nah, there is Zero chance. It's one thing if Part 2 didn't do "as well" as hoped, or they didn't make as much money as hoped... but if they actively lost large number of millions of dollars on the movie? There's no way they'd come back with part 3.

[sdp]

It made $244,628,886 worldwide and a $135 million budget, Sure they don't get all that money and there are marketing costs but it wasn't a huge bomb and none of that is taking into account licensing. And a company like Viacom won't necessarily only count Out of the Shadows merchandise but the whole IP as a whole, it can be more of a "brand awareness" being a good enough reason for the movies to come out.

A bigger obstacle is I think they might be confused on what to do with the franchise. First movie had tons of hate online as it came out and even worse word of mouth when it finally did but it performed well enough and they credited that to the last minute changes so they went the "fan" route for the second and had tons of positive feedback online but performed poorly even with the mixed word of mouth which was an improvement. So yeah I see this sequel getting stuck in development hell forever and eventually cancelled if something is not announced in the next few months.

[snake]

Originally Posted by sdp

It made $244,628,886 worldwide and a $135 million budget, Sure they don't get all that money and there are marketing costs but it wasn't a huge bomb and none of that is taking into account licensing. And a company like Viacom won't necessarily only count Out of the Shadows merchandise but the whole IP as a whole, it can be more of a "brand awareness" being a good enough reason for the movies to come out.

A bigger obstacle is I think they might be confused on what to do with the franchise. First movie had tons of hate online as it came out and even worse word of mouth when it finally did but it performed well enough and they credited that to the last minute changes so they went the "fan" route for the second and had tons of positive feedback online but performed poorly even with the mixed word of mouth which was an improvement. So yeah I see this sequel getting stuck in development hell forever and eventually cancelled if something is not announced in the next few months.

Marketing budget was probably around 100mil. There's a reason why that info isn't released to the public

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

It made $244,628,886 worldwide and a $135 million budget, Sure they don't get all that money and there are marketing costs but it wasn't a huge bomb

Oh no, it was a huge bomb.

Quoting myself:

OotS had a 135 million dollar production budget. And as much marketing as we've seen for it, all the TV spots and cross-marketing and of course trailers themselves spread across many mediums... I don't think it would be unreasonable to say it had a 100 million dollar marketing budget. Maybe more. Now, of course, that gets offset a bit by things like product placement and what-have-you... so let's call it a net marketing budget of about 60 million out of pocket. So we're looking at a 195 million dollar budget, total, just for them to make and market the movie.

As of today, OotS has made 81 million solely in the US and 156 million abroad for a grand total of 237 million worldwide. Of the 81 million made here in ticket sales, the studio is only actually getting a % of that on a sliding scale that tips radically toward favoring the theaters with every passing weekend. Theaters aren't non profit organizations.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5747305/how-m...-be-profitable

So, optimistically, let's say that Paramount got back about 60 million of the 81 it's made here. And that's super generous. But anyway, 60 million here. Now we've got 156 more million made overseas, right? Well the studio gets even LESS of foreign ticket sales, as the foreign distributors take their cut as well as the individual theaters. I would be shocked if Paramount actually takes home more than half of that amount, so let's even round up and say they get 80 million of that 156.

Now where are we left? Many weeks out now, OotS has only earned about 140 million worldwide off of a 195 million dollar production & marketing budget. They're in the hole for certain, and it couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of f***tards.

[Powder]

& mind you, it took that huge loss despite catering to the casual demo who bitched about not having Krang/B&R/Technodrome/etc. It dove head first into Fred Wolf territory & still crashed & burned. Surely they'd be at a loss to figure out what they could do that would win people over when both fixes & nostalgia pandering failed, & considering how many of the same mistakes they repeated. There is zero way the same writers could climb outta that hole, no director will get a good performance out of Fox, no new character can up the charm level. It'd have to be entirely made anew from the ground up, & it'd be a huge waste to go to such lengths on this iteration.

I would HOPE that Viacom learns from this, & realizes they need to do virtually everything differently... Next time. As in, reboot.

[sdp]

You might be right, I don't really follow the movie industry and I just speculate based on what I know or other industries I follow and the little I read online. I do know they get plenty from licensing and selling the rights for broadcast for years to come so even huge bombs eventually turn a profit.

I'll still wait for a year to see things out. No huge loss for me really while I would want another movie based on this crazy take just to see where they went, I didn't particularly love this crazy take either.