Man of Steel 2

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Have to disagree with you, sir. Cavill Supermans just fine. The points where he's allowed to full-on be Superman, they work fantastically.

1. When is he full on being Superman?
2. What's your idea of a full on Superman?

He doesn't ever Superman. Not once.
He Batmans a bit, and says words. I don't believe a word he mumbles.
It all feels false and insincere.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Granted, he doesn't become a fully formed Superman until the end of Man of Steel... and then, granted again, until he remembers he already became Superman at the end of the last movie near the end of BvS again.

I hate the "hero needs to learn to be the title character routine. I can't stand it. 78 skipped it, covering it with some rando insane Brandoing.

Insane Brando > learning to hero. It was true in 76, and still true today.

What it means to be a Superman is in the doing. Superman is the greatest hero, not Peter Parker. His whole schtick is working to hide how F'ing amazing he is, not learn to be amazing. It's backwards, and essentially the problem.
Xmen need to learn how to fit in. Xmen are about figuring out how to control their powers. Superman is about restraint, and solving problems we can't, then solving problems his power can't. Snyder doesn't understand any of that.

Superman is the second most recognized character on Earth, after Jesus. I'd site the source, but I read that years ago, and I'm sure it's still true-ish.
We don't need to watch he learn his opowers - ther are 10 YEARS of Smallville if that's your bag.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Imagine Cavill in just about any scene back in Superman: The Motionless Picture, and it'd work just fine. Possibly better, no disrespect to Reeve.

Yeah, that's wrong. No disrespect to you, but, no. The guy is terrible.

Reeve wasn't exactly the greatest actor either, dude was wooden in every other role, ever. He sucks in everything else but, maybe Street Smart, but who the **** remembers that movie?

Reeve was unwatchable, in everything, except when he played Superman.

Cavill can't even do that.

I get you have a certain taste, you like stuff I think is terrible, so i get you're view point, I just don't see Superman as the 90's era emo angsty loser. Taht's not who he is to me. And I agree, '78 doesn't have a whole lot of action, but it flows, perfectly as a film. It tells an entire story, and for it's day, had some of the most innovative special effects of it's time.

MOS & BVS already look dated, and it's only been a few years. Despite all the "action", people were bored.

punchy punch is only exciting when it's real, or at least the stakes are high. Otherwise, it's total filler, and a total waste of screen time.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Oh, that does remind me of my shallow-ness showing whenever I don't want it to and I'll admit I've always found Superman ugly until Man of Steel. whoops please don't put this one on my permanent record

You think Reeve is ugly, but Cavil is hot?
wait here:

(small images for your internet)


G. Reeves


C. Reeve


B. Routh


D. Cain


H. Cavill



lol... If that's the only reason you like MOS... hahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

Totally get it, but man, Cavill reminds me of Nixon.

[Shark_Blade]

Cavill is the hottest Superman tbh. Never care about the other Supes and their films either.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Cavill is the hottest Superman tbh. Never care about the other Supes and their films either.

Wait....Sharkie is gay?

Didn't see that coming. Sure Reeve is a little funny looking in some shots, but Cavill is short and stalky, balding, with a funny nose.

LARGE IMAGE WARNING!

Spoiler:

now, picture him in 3 years...

Not very super. Adams already looks old for Lois. who will be 44 by the time MOS 2 comes out. Nothing against older women, but she already looks old for the 33 year old Cavill.

Spoiler:

Reboot, recast.

[Shark_Blade]

If a woman compliments another woman for being beautiful, it's fine.

But when a man does it some people automatically assumes it's gay? Lol get with the time already...

Even Henry Cavill compliments Ben Affleck for being hot in solo interviews.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

If a woman compliments another woman for being beautiful, it's fine.

But when a man does it some people automatically assumes it's gay? Lol get with the time already...

Even Henry Cavill compliments Ben Affleck for being hot in solo interviews.

Most men use the term Handsome, or attractive. You said "Hottest".
Straight men, even today, yeah we don't talk like that about other men.

I really don't care one way or the other. Actually, I do, i'm sure some version of the PC police will hop on here and berate me.

... nah, still don't care. It's fine if you think he's hot, but calling another man hot, will lead other straight men, and probably gay men, to think you are gay.

[Shark_Blade]

What's the difference between handsome and hot? Same thing tbh. Masculinity is so fragile among some straight people lol. Struggling to even compliment the same gender when it's so easy.

[Candy Kappa]

Cavill is a studmuffin.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Cavill is a studmuffin.

lol. I don't see it. I just see a Nixon cartoon.




All I know is Sharkie is gay for him, and that makes my masculinity fragile, or some shite.

lol. Straight men calling each other Hot. Totally normal.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Wait....Sharkie is gay?.

First and foremost, Sharkie is a troll. His sexuality is tertiary.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

First and foremost, Sharkie is a troll. His sexuality is tertiary.

What's secondary?

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

lol. I don't see it. I just see a Nixon cartoon.
[url]http://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.179902.1339209122!/image/1123777893.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/1123777893.jpg[/url



All I know is Sharkie is gay for him, and that makes my masculinity fragile, or some shite.

lol. Straight men calling each other Hot. Totally normal.

Pfft see how the insecure "straight" blindly labelling people. I don't even fancy him nor like Superman much.

Perhaps Commenter is a closeted gay indeed. Lol

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

First and foremost, Sharkie is a troll. His sexuality is tertiary.

What's that TrollNines? You're a scum and your sexuality is doing your own mom? Gotcha.

Whatever rocks your boat.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

It's not the killing of Zod. It's not Superman killing, I'm not that guy - I don't think he really needed to, but it didn't break the movie for me. That happened about 5 minutes in. As soon as I saw etch-a-sketch land, I knew it was going to be a tough watch.

My issue is the view of the character as outcast, moody, awkward, brooding...
'78 took the high road all the time. He was a better person. He put others first.

Snyders Superman isn't super. Just a guy, and not a likable one. Lot's of characters you can do that with, not Supes.

That's just a taste of my gripes. If anything, Snyder made a movie about Bizarro.

I feel almost the same way.


That aside, I feel like they should get a new writer and director for this sequel. Man Of Steel and Batman V Superman have their fans, but his sensibilities are too niche for the majority of people (Fans and Non-Fans alike).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well this thread got really interesting really fast.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Well this thread got really interesting really fast.

You expected anything less from one of the most polarizing films in years?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

You expected anything less from one of the most polarizing films in years?

Pffft. Not one of the most polarizing.

Batman V Superman surpassed it this year. Or how about The Interview? We had North Korea threatening terrorism over that cinematic gem.

"It's hilarious!"
"It's offensive!"
"We will dirty bomb your theaters for blaspheming our glorious leader."

THAT'S polarizing.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Pffft. Not one of the most polarizing.

Batman V Superman surpassed it this year. Or how about The Interview? We had North Korea threatening terrorism over that cinematic gem.

"It's hilarious!"
"It's offensive!"
"We will dirty bomb your theaters for blaspheming our glorious leader."

THAT'S polarizing.

Maybe I should have added "one of the most polarizing Superhero films in recent years".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

Maybe I should have added "one of the most polarizing Superhero films in recent years".

THERE ya go.

EDITED: Except, thinking about it, it seems most CBMs are polarizing now. Everybody loves it or hates it.

Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, Avengers 2, Iron Man 3, X-Men Apocalypse, now Suicide Squad...

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

THERE ya go.

EDITED: Except, thinking about it, it seems most CBMs are polarizing now. Everybody loves it or hates it.

Man of Steel, Batman V Superman, Avengers 2, Iron Man 3, X-Men Apocalypse, now Suicide Squad...

Man Of Steel - Polarizing. Reception is 50/50 for the most part.

Batman V Superman - Mixed to Negative. The movie had it's hardcore fans, but most people were disappointed with/ or flat out hated the film.

Iron Man 3 - Polarizing, also like Man Of Steel.

Avengers 2 - I'd say the response was marginally positive for that one.

X-Men: Apocalypse - Also mixed.

Suicide Squad - Polarizing, but I've seen very few people who absolutely love it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

Man Of Steel - Polarizing. Reception is 50/50 for the most part.

Batman V Superman - Mixed to Negative. The movie had it's hardcore fans, but most people were disappointed with/ or flat out hated the film.

Iron Man 3 - Polarizing, also like Man Of Steel.

Avengers 2 - I'd say the response was marginally positive for that one.

X-Men: Apocalypse - Also mixed.

Suicide Squad - Polarizing, but I've seen very few people who absolutely love it.

Well, I'd say "mixed to negative" or "mixed" is also polarizing. A milder polarizing, but the same.

The point I was realizing is that lately, these big blockbuster CBMs are becoming more and more divisive. As opposed to, say, 2008-2012, when everybody loved everything. Comparatively speaking.

Now that we have a glut of CBMs, we can pick and choose--and thus we become pickier and choosier. Also because there's a glut, standards raise and competition becomes more fierce.

Why go watch Thor 2 when I can watch Suicide Squad instead? Or why would you go watch Man of Steel 2 when you can watch Black Panther instead?

Soon, very soon, there will be a consolidation. Probably after Marvel Phase 3 completes and the first one or two Justice League movies hit the big screen.

Studios will focus on making fewer better movies that have a better success rate... it can't keep going like this. Marvel, at least, has definitely improved their game of late. WB/DC needs to find its footing pretty soon. And Fox... sigh.