Why do you all want the same movie over and over?

[turtlefanforever]

It seems all anyone wants when it comes to a new TMNT movie is Shredder and the Origin story. Why do you all want the same thing over and over again? Haven't we learned anything from spider-man and being force fed the green goblin?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

It seems all anyone wants when it comes to a new TMNT movie is Shredder and the Origin story.

A properly done one, sure. And the only complete Shredder and origin story we've ever gotten was 26 years ago.

Why do you all want the same thing over and over again? Haven't we learned anything from spider-man and being force fed the green goblin?

Sure, to not go out and support sh*tty Spider-Man movies. Seems to have worked out well in that regard.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, for one thing, there hasn't been a FAITHFUL and/or GOOD TMNT origin movie done yet.

We can do better than the 1990 movie. And we can do a HELL of a lot better than Platinum Dunes' trash.

[Andrew NDB]

Wait a minute... this all may be a lot simpler than it appears.

[snake]

The 1990 film is absolutely perfect. Just go about updating that with some changes here and there and you have a great movie. The sequels can move into the weirder and different stuff once the first movie is out of the way

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by snake

The 1990 film is absolutely perfect. Just go about updating that with some changes here and there and you have a great movie. The sequels can move into the weirder and different stuff once the first movie is out of the way

No, it's not. It's good but it's not perfect.

For one thing, the visual effects. Those puppet baby turtles look terrible.

For another thing, Darth Shredder. Stealing TVs. With a band of angsty teenagers. #notmyfootclan

[plastroncafe]

I'm with Cylon on the 1990 film not being 100% perfect.
It was damn close, for certain, and has only the barest hints of Okamon contamination.

I was never overly fond of the characterization of Donatello in that movie, though I'm more than happy to overlook it for The. Best. Non-Mirage Michelangelo ever.

I kind of wish we'd seen Oroku Saki as well as Shredder.

[snake]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

No, it's not. It's good but it's not perfect.

For one thing, the visual effects. Those puppet baby turtles look terrible.

For another thing, Darth Shredder. Stealing TVs. With a band of angsty teenagers. #notmyfootclan

That's what I meant by updating it for today. That stuff is a little goofy but can easily be fixed. 1990 is still my favorite though

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm with Cylon on the 1990 film not being 100% perfect.
It was damn close, for certain, and has only the barest hints of Okamon contamination.

I was never overly fond of the characterization of Donatello in that movie, though I'm more than happy to overlook it for The. Best. Non-Mirage Michelangelo ever.

I kind of wish we'd seen Oroku Saki as well as Shredder.

I personally feel that Leo and Don were both pretty heavily sidelined in that movie. But the best version of Casey Jones ever.

Originally Posted by snake

That's what I meant by updating it for today. That stuff is a little goofy but can easily be fixed. 1990 is still my favorite though

Yeah, take the basic plot, get rid of Danny and Charles, more development for Shredder and Splinter, equal development for all four Turtles... it'd be perfect.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I personally feel that Leo and Don were both pretty heavily sidelined in that movie. But the best version of Casey Jones ever.

Yeah....I think Leo's characterization suffered when his beatdown at the hands of the Shredder was dealt to Raph instead.

And Yes. Yes! One thousand times Yes on Casey.
I quite liked April too!
(I was in a play with a gent who knows Judith Hoag well, and when I went on about TMNT during rehearsal he said something along the lines of, "Oh I'll be sure to tell Judy!")

[snake]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I personally feel that Leo and Don were both pretty heavily sidelined in that movie. But the best version of Casey Jones ever.



Yeah, take the basic plot, get rid of Danny and Charles, more development for Shredder and Splinter, equal development for all four Turtles... it'd be perfect.

It's hard to give equal developement for all four turtles in just one movie, on top of establishing everything else. I would be fine with Raph getting most of it in movie 1 (like in 1990), Leo/Donnie in the sequel, and finally Mikey in 3.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yeah....I think Leo's characterization suffered when his beatdown at the hands of the Shredder was dealt to Raph instead.

And Yes. Yes! One thousand times Yes on Casey.
I quite liked April too!
(I was in a play with a gent who knows Judith Hoag well, and when I went on about TMNT during rehearsal he said something along the lines of, "Oh I'll be sure to tell Judy!")

While I'd say IDW Casey is the best because of what they did with him and his father, 90s Casey is a close second. 90s April is pretty great and might be my favorite next to IDW.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Yeah....I think Leo's characterization suffered when his beatdown at the hands of the Shredder was dealt to Raph instead.

And Yes. Yes! One thousand times Yes on Casey.
I quite liked April too!
(I was in a play with a gent who knows Judith Hoag well, and when I went on about TMNT during rehearsal he said something along the lines of, "Oh I'll be sure to tell Judy!")

Yeah... it worked having Raph get beat down, but it didn't leave much for Leo to do. At all.

You mean you don't think Megan Fox was a better April? I kid, I kid...

Hoag did a great reporter / 80's April... I'd be curious to see who would be cast as a take on IDW/4Kids April, with more technical leanings and abilities.

Originally Posted by snake

It's hard to give equal developement for all four turtles in just one movie, on top of establishing everything else. I would be fine with Raph getting most of it in movie 1 (like in 1990), Leo/Donnie in the sequel, and finally Mikey in 3.

Agreed. But I'd like them to give all four Turtles, at minimum, the development of Bruce Banner and Natasha Romanov in The Avengers. Not as much as Tony Stark and Steve Rogers, but still some sizable chunks.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

My biggest issue with the 1990 film is that the turtles don't seem to notice the man in April's apartment. Plot hole!!!

[somethingreal]

I don't like the PD films, and I surely don't like the designs. But what mainly bothered me about that movie was the screen-time for the turtles. As much as I disliked the look, I feel that in the short time they appeared, the turtles each got a fair amount of representation that I hope to see in any future films. But do away with mike being a creepy stalker...

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I'm with Cylon on the 1990 film not being 100% perfect.
It was damn close, for certain

It's the closest we've gotten, but still pretty far away. But if something like OotS is as far away as the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, TMNT 1990 is about a Bering Sea length away.

[snake]

Maybe. That's a poor comparison IMO because I think mcu Hulk is severly underused and Widow is boring outside of her backstory. If I could get a gurantee that each turtle will get to have their time to shine over 3 movies I'd take it.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Yeah... it worked having Raph get beat down, but it didn't leave much for Leo to do. At all.

You mean you don't think Megan Fox was a better April? I kid, I kid...

Hoag did a great reporter / 80's April... I'd be curious to see who would be cast as a take on IDW/4Kids April, with more technical leanings and abilities.

I'm highly biased here, in that I really don't usually like how Leo is written. For the most part I find him, and many characters like him, boring and uncompelling.

I didn't really start to appreciate Leo as a character until the 2k7 movie, where for the first time I got to see him as a perfectionist with an ego the size of the Empire State. That's when I started going back and reviewing other version of him and being a bit more entertained by him.

So yeah...to lose out on the character development of Leo getting taken down some notches dulls him a bit for me.

I can see why it was done, narrative wise, but...I'd really like some incarnation to give us a reason why Leo is the leader. Show us, not just tell us.

You joke about Fox, but I'll be honest: She and Raph were about the only saving graces that movie had.

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

My biggest issue with the 1990 film is that the turtles don't seem to notice the man in April's apartment. Plot hole!!!

http://www.moviemistakes.com/images/...abs/108191.jpg

OMG That's brilliant!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by snake

Maybe. That's a poor comparison IMO because I think mcu Hulk is severly underused and Widow is boring outside of her backstory. If I could get a gurantee that each turtle will get to have their time to shine over 3 movies I'd take it.

I agree it's a poor comparison. It was the best I could come up with at the moment.

Because remember, Hulk and Widow had both had previous film entries just a couple of years ago with The Incredible Hulk (never mind the recast) and Iron Man 2.

I guess X-Men Days of Future Past would be better? Most of the development to Xavier and Erik, but still substantial development for Hank and Raven? With Moira getting the amount of development needed for April?

[snake]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I agree it's a poor comparison. It was the best I could come up with at the moment.

Because remember, Hulk and Widow had both had previous film entries just a couple of years ago with The Incredible Hulk (never mind the recast) and Iron Man 2.

I guess X-Men Days of Future Past would be better? Most of the development to Xavier and Erik, but still substantial development for Hank and Raven? With Moira getting the amount of development needed for April?

DOFP is a good example for sure. I still like my idea best though