If there was a definitive end - Page 3

*Andrew NDB* · 08-19-2016, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

Turtles Forever really did seem like not only a very good way for the 4Kids series to end, but a great way for the franchise to have come to an end. Not that I would've wanted the franchise to die after the 4Kids series, but TF would've at least gave it a nice send off.

Yeah, it's not the worst tombstone there could be for everything pre-Nickelodeon/Viacom, really.

*Wesley* · 08-19-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

Turtles Forever really did seem like not only a very good way for the 4Kids series to end, but a great way for the franchise to have come to an end. Not that I would've wanted the franchise to die after the 4Kids series, but TF would've at least gave it a nice send off.

Agreed. It was a great love letter to TMNT fans.

*Jephael* · 08-19-2016, 03:37 PM

Funny how a lot of people feel about Turtles Forever being a good send-off to the pre-Viacom era. At the same time I'm glad that wasn't the end of the franchise, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the IDW comics or the current show and we certainly wouldn't have the opportunity of seeing the actual original cast of the 1987 cartoon reprise their roles in a new crossover event.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-19-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

Funny how a lot of people feel about Turtles Forever being a good send-off to the pre-Viacom era. At the same time I'm glad that wasn't the end of the franchise, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the IDW comics or the current show

I'm kind of OK with those not existing if it means that the Platinum Dunes movies would never come to be. Those... things... are going to make the IP on a big screen level radioactive for many years to come.

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and we certainly wouldn't have the opportunity of seeing the actual original cast of the 1987 cartoon reprise their roles in a new crossover event.

You realize they are voice actors, right?

*Jephael* · 08-19-2016, 03:50 PM

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You realize they are voice actors, right?

What?! Here I thought they were four guys wearing specially made costumes!

*CyberCubed* · 08-19-2016, 08:46 PM

The IDW and Nick era of TMNT have salvaged the franchise and represent the 2010's era of TMNT. IDW started in 2011 and Nick in 2012....so they are the official series of this 2010's decade generation.

The 80's/90's were Mirage, Fred Wolf, Archie and original movie trilogy gen.

The 2000's were Mirage's revival, 2k3, and the 4th movie

The 2010's are now IDW, Nick and the Bay movies.

The 2020's will probably bring us another new reboot. I think we can be used to this every 10 years now

*Jephael* · 08-19-2016, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The 2020's will probably bring us another new reboot. I think we can be used to this every 10 years now

Hey it's worked for Batman all these years, so why not?

*Krutch* · 08-20-2016, 01:32 AM

Y'know, after thinking about it for a bit, I think I'd prefer an ending similar to the end of the last season of Angel.

*CyberCubed* · 08-20-2016, 02:25 AM

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Y'know, after thinking about it for a bit, I think I'd prefer an ending similar to the end of the last season of Angel.

The one where they're all fighting to their deaths? Eh, I hated that ending. I know the story continued in comics but I don't care about that.

*Krutch* · 08-20-2016, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The one where they're all fighting to their deaths? Eh, I hated that ending. I know the story continued in comics but I don't care about that.

I never saw it as they were fighting to their deaths. Just that they'd always be fighting and never backing down. That the battle never ends. So they cap off the series with a battle cry.

*Shark_Blade* · 08-20-2016, 02:31 AM

Same As It Never Was is the true ending of tmnt for me. It's even in idw comic with old aging Donnie left alive alone. 3 of them died.

ZacksSoUgly · 08-20-2016, 02:44 AM

If there had to be an end I think I could go for either of these two things :

1. The Turtles Die Fighting
I don't know who they'd be fighting or why, but I'd rather them go down swinging and fighting for/with each other then see them die off one at a time.

2. Living Peacefully In a New Society or World
Maybe they live long enough to see society change and become open to different people and species - like when aliens live on Earth, so they can live amongst society - that type of deal. If there's peace throughout the world and the Turtles run out of enemies, then maybe they can live happily ever after.

Some of the ideas discussed in the thread are way cooler than these, but I like simplicity. Also, seeing the Turtles die off one at a time would be heartbreaking.

*Powder* · 08-20-2016, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ZacksSoUgly

2. Living Peacefully In a New Society or World
Maybe they live long enough to see society change and become open to different people and species - like when aliens live on Earth, so they can live amongst society - that type of deal.

Also, seeing the Turtles die off one at a time would be heartbreaking.

I guess you've not read the comics.

*Bry* · 08-20-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Krutch

I never saw it as they were fighting to their deaths. Just that they'd always be fighting and never backing down. That the battle never ends. So they cap off the series with a battle cry.

Still might be my favourite TV ending. I get why some people took it as a "cliffhanger", but it was thematically on point for that show. The journey was always more important than the destination, and it was made clear many times over that there's no "happy ending" and the battle never ends. Angel signing away his Shanshu reward and taking a heroic last stand was the perfect sendoff for that character, IMO.

And I also loved the contrast between endings for Buffy and Angel. Buffy's last shot, standing with her family and friends in the sun, wide open road beyond them, and Angel's has him standing with his allies, backs against the wall in the rain, besieged by enemies and fighting on.

Um, back on topic...

My favourite "end" is still probably "City at War". Which obviously wasn't the end, but I think it was the best possible sendoff for the Mirage run. They finally settled the cycle of vengeance they'd been caught in their entire lives, but with plenty of physical and emotional costs. They had all been on their own journeys that had deeply changed them, they get a "happy" reunion, there's some degree of emotional closure, and then they go their separate ways once more. It's a pretty quiet ending, but the scars of their experiences were still very much present and the future wasn't certain. A good place to leave the Mirage characters, IMO.

As for the property as a whole? Turtles Forever is still kind of perfect. That last moment is a beautiful capper to the Mirage era. Honestly, I can't think of anything better than that.

*Krutch* · 08-20-2016, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bry

Still might be my favourite TV ending. I get why some people took it as a "cliffhanger", but it was thematically on point for that show. The journey was always more important than the destination, and it was made clear many times over that there's no "happy ending" and the battle never ends. Angel signing away his Shanshu reward and taking a heroic last stand was the perfect sendoff for that character, IMO.

I'm with ya there. I can understand people feeling cheated and it feeling unresolved, but that's very much the point. Whedon's atheism really comes through on Angel, most specifically that scene you posted. I think when you combine the--

Y'know what? I can go on for hours about Buffy and Angel and here's not the place to do it

So yeah, back on point: If the turtles were to have a definitive ending, I'd like to see them go the Angel route.

*pferreira* · 09-01-2016, 10:27 AM

They should just end it with an epic battle with Shredder with the whole universe at stake.

*Chris* · 09-01-2016, 03:40 PM

I think Turtles Forever was a pretty perfect send off for the Mirage era. I wish Vol. 4 had been finished but TF was a good end.

For the new Nick/Viacom era I have no idea. Another big multiversal crossover could be good but I think I might prefer something more low key, more in fitting with "life at best is bittersweet" but I'm not sure if that would be appropriate for the current versions of the characters.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-01-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

I think Turtles Forever was a pretty perfect send off for the Mirage era. I wish Vol. 4 had been finished but TF was a good end.

I dug Turtles Forever for what it was, but it's pretty far from any kind of "send off" for the "Mirage era." I don't see how a brief revisitation of the first issue alone could be anything remotely close to an endcap of all 4 volumes and all other stories.

*ToTheNines* · 09-01-2016, 03:58 PM

Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he meant the Mirage era as in the per-buyout era as a whole.

*CyberCubed* · 09-01-2016, 04:06 PM

The Mirage era ends when Volume 4 finally gets a conclusion. PL has at least another 20 years of life, he's what...61-62 now? Give him until he's 80.

08-19-2016, 03:37 PM	#43
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Funny how a lot of people feel about Turtles Forever being a good send-off to the pre-Viacom era. At the same time I'm glad that wasn't the end of the franchise, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the IDW comics or the current show and we certainly wouldn't have the opportunity of seeing the actual original cast of the 1987 cartoon reprise their roles in a new crossover event. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

08-20-2016, 02:44 AM	#52
ZacksSoUgly Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 104	If there had to be an end I think I could go for either of these two things : 1. The Turtles Die Fighting I don't know who they'd be fighting or why, but I'd rather them go down swinging and fighting for/with each other then see them die off one at a time. 2. Living Peacefully In a New Society or World Maybe they live long enough to see society change and become open to different people and species - like when aliens live on Earth, so they can live amongst society - that type of deal. If there's peace throughout the world and the Turtles run out of enemies, then maybe they can live happily ever after. Some of the ideas discussed in the thread are way cooler than these, but I like simplicity. Also, seeing the Turtles die off one at a time would be heartbreaking. __________________ Check out TMNT articles I've written for The Hundreds : TMNT Movie Rankings Top 10 Comics of 2015 Kevin Eastman Interview TMNT Collecting Social Media Instagram : @ZOSOtmnt

08-19-2016, 08:46 PM	#46
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The IDW and Nick era of TMNT have salvaged the franchise and represent the 2010's era of TMNT. IDW started in 2011 and Nick in 2012....so they are the official series of this 2010's decade generation. The 80's/90's were Mirage, Fred Wolf, Archie and original movie trilogy gen. The 2000's were Mirage's revival, 2k3, and the 4th movie The 2010's are now IDW, Nick and the Bay movies. The 2020's will probably bring us another new reboot. I think we can be used to this every 10 years now

08-20-2016, 01:32 AM	#48
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	Y'know, after thinking about it for a bit, I think I'd prefer an ending similar to the end of the last season of Angel.

08-20-2016, 02:31 AM	#51
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Same As It Never Was is the true ending of tmnt for me. It's even in idw comic with old aging Donnie left alive alone. 3 of them died.

09-01-2016, 10:27 AM	#56
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	They should just end it with an epic battle with Shredder with the whole universe at stake.

09-01-2016, 03:40 PM	#57
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	I think Turtles Forever was a pretty perfect send off for the Mirage era. I wish Vol. 4 had been finished but TF was a good end. For the new Nick/Viacom era I have no idea. Another big multiversal crossover could be good but I think I might prefer something more low key, more in fitting with "life at best is bittersweet" but I'm not sure if that would be appropriate for the current versions of the characters.

09-01-2016, 03:58 PM	#59
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,354	Not to put words in his mouth, but I think he meant the Mirage era as in the per-buyout era as a whole.

09-01-2016, 04:06 PM	#60
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The Mirage era ends when Volume 4 finally gets a conclusion. PL has at least another 20 years of life, he's what...61-62 now? Give him until he's 80.