Turtles wear red masks again

*Panda_Kahn_fan* · 09-09-2016, 08:04 PM

Since everyone else is repeating their arguments here, I'll repeat mine, as well;

1.) Ninjas (shinobi) did not have clan colors. Clan colors are not part of Japanese culture, clans identified by clan mon (symbol or crest) colors were worn based on time of year, holiday, auspicious occasion. Clan colors are an aspect of celtic culture (Scottish clans, Irish clans, etc.)

2.) The color bandannas DO make more sense than one uniform color. No ninja clan or group would ever wear a uniform color that would identify them as a member of a distinct group, four ninjas wearing different colors would sow confusion among an enemy that saw or captured one of them. Any ninja clan who all dress in the same colors are a bunch of idiots.

3.) Ninjas have no uniform appearance- ninjitsu was the art of invisibility NOT because of ability to sneak around silently in the shadows (though plenty of that was done if the mission called for it) but the ability to blends in in plain sight, disguised as anyone or anything. That guy in a yukata next to you in the tea shop could be a ninja, and you'd never know it.

4.) Ninjas were not assassins- they were mercenaries, spies and saboteurs for hire. Killing during a mission was a last resort, because a body would draw unwanted attention. Japan had a separate, professional class of assassins, who were hired for killing jobs. Shinobi were called in to assassinate as a last resort, being extremely expensive to obtain, and was usually seen as overkill. In the ninjas heyday in the sengoku, a clan ninja would be lucky if they got one assassination per year, and even two or three kills in all of their missions combined per year. The goal of the ninja was to use his stealth and martial arts to NOT be seen, NOT to fight. A ninja always getting into fights is drawing unnecessary attention to themselves, making said ninja an idiot.

5.) The modern killing machine ninja in black kabuki pajamas who seeks 'revenge for dishonor' is the invention of Frank Miller, and has about as much to do with Japan or shinobi as American super heroes do. Ninja are more like sengoku-era James Bonds, or sengoku era special forces/commandos. The question of wither or not they are heroes should be weighed against that comparison, instead of Miller's orientalist wannabes.

That's is all, proceed with your debate!

09-09-2016, 08:04 PM	#13
Panda_Kahn_fan Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,715	Since everyone else is repeating their arguments here, I'll repeat mine, as well; 1.) Ninjas (shinobi) did not have clan colors. Clan colors are not part of Japanese culture, clans identified by clan mon (symbol or crest) colors were worn based on time of year, holiday, auspicious occasion. Clan colors are an aspect of celtic culture (Scottish clans, Irish clans, etc.) 2.) The color bandannas DO make more sense than one uniform color. No ninja clan or group would ever wear a uniform color that would identify them as a member of a distinct group, four ninjas wearing different colors would sow confusion among an enemy that saw or captured one of them. Any ninja clan who all dress in the same colors are a bunch of idiots. 3.) Ninjas have no uniform appearance- ninjitsu was the art of invisibility NOT because of ability to sneak around silently in the shadows (though plenty of that was done if the mission called for it) but the ability to blends in in plain sight, disguised as anyone or anything. That guy in a yukata next to you in the tea shop could be a ninja, and you'd never know it. 4.) Ninjas were not assassins- they were mercenaries, spies and saboteurs for hire. Killing during a mission was a last resort, because a body would draw unwanted attention. Japan had a separate, professional class of assassins, who were hired for killing jobs. Shinobi were called in to assassinate as a last resort, being extremely expensive to obtain, and was usually seen as overkill. In the ninjas heyday in the sengoku, a clan ninja would be lucky if they got one assassination per year, and even two or three kills in all of their missions combined per year. The goal of the ninja was to use his stealth and martial arts to NOT be seen, NOT to fight. A ninja always getting into fights is drawing unnecessary attention to themselves, making said ninja an idiot. 5.) The modern killing machine ninja in black kabuki pajamas who seeks 'revenge for dishonor' is the invention of Frank Miller, and has about as much to do with Japan or shinobi as American super heroes do. Ninja are more like sengoku-era James Bonds, or sengoku era special forces/commandos. The question of wither or not they are heroes should be weighed against that comparison, instead of Miller's orientalist wannabes. That's is all, proceed with your debate! __________________ My TMNT fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1266176...n-a-Half-Shell IDW is the best version of TMNT If they make a TMNT reboot movie retelling the shredder battle/origin, I won't buy a ticket.