[Suggestion] The Same People Keep Killing Good Threads

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Make that the Free Square in the middle.

Well then it's not FREE, is it?

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Hey, I'm not criticizing said criticisms. If I bothered to watch Nick TMNT, I'm sure I'd voice the same complaints. I'm just saying, it's always good for an entertaining read and comes around pretty regularly. Thus, Bingo square.

Wait, you don't watch Nick?
Ohhhhh.... I seeeeeeeeeeee......

The girl is wallpaper paste at most.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Wait, you don't watch Nick?
Ohhhhh.... I seeeeeeeeeeee......

The girl is wallpaper paste at most.

I keep myself informed about it, but I don't regularly watch it. I've borrowed a few DVDs from the library, enjoyed some of the episodes and characters, found April incredibly annoying, found Donnie misused, Mikey annoying...

I have opinions on it, but I prefer to let others who religiously watch it make criticisms as theirs are coming from a place of more thorough knowledge and first-hand experience. Examples: Electric, Foombamaroom, GoldMutant.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Well then it's not FREE, is it?

Oh noes! The game might get a touch more difficult!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Oh noes! The game might get a touch more difficult!

If Bernie were making the Bingo squares, you'd better believe it'd damned well be free.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I keep myself informed about it, but I don't regularly watch it. I've borrowed a few DVDs from the library, enjoyed some of the episodes and characters, found April incredibly annoying, found Donnie misused, Mikey annoying...

I have opinions on it, but I prefer to let others who religiously watch it make criticisms as theirs are coming from a place of more thorough knowledge and first-hand experience.

so what we have here, if I can piece it together is this

"STOP bitching about what you don't like."
"Don't READ it if it bothers you. It's important to say what you think is wrong, 'cause otherwise it will never get fixed!"
"But s#itposting doesn't fix anything, and the powers that be don't care"
"I only said that the character of April needed more attention"
"I have a hard time writing females"

years later

"This show was always about April."

Looks to me like, well, s#itposting has an effect after all?

[plastroncafe]

That's certainly one way to make a narrative of that.

If that one tumblr fan who threatened to bathe in his unworthy blood after he said the show was full up on regular female characters because the Madonna/Whore quota had been reached, then my hat is off to her.

Because that change certainly wasn't prompted by anyone on this forum.

As far as I can tell nothing about April's characterization has changed. Whitman is still doing a great job as her VA, but she's still the same McGuffin she always was. What's changed is how Ciro talks about her on a Company podcast, rather than on a fanpodcast.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

That's certainly one way to make a narrative of that.

If that one fan who threatened to bathe in his unworthy blood after he said the show was full up on regular female characters because the Madonna/Whore quota had been reached, then my hat is off to her.

I know you want to claim victory, hollow as it may be.

wait, what? .. that edit... I'm lost.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID???????

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I know you want to claim victory, hollow as it may be.

wait, what? .. that edit... I'm lost.

IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID???????

Madonna/Whore = 1 good female character and 1 bad female character, FYI.

Not as inflammatory as it sounds.

Well, except for the "bathing in blood" thing. Yech.

[plastroncafe]

Oh man, I wish I could take credit for the "Bathe in his unworthy blood" remark. I thought it was a wonderful use of hyperbole, but no.
Sadly no.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Madonna/Whore = 1 good female character and 1 bad female character, FYI.

Not as inflammatory as it sounds.

Well, except for the "bathing in blood" thing. Yech.

LOL, Oh, I know what it means...

but it's not straight forward criticism, it's twist-the-knife passive aggresive snarking. Could have easily been said another way.

Like I said. This one is all salt.

As a writer, if anyone critiqued your hard work like that, you might have a finger or two to raise in response, no?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

LOL, Oh, I know what it means...

but it's not straight forward criticism, it's twist-the-knife passive aggresive snarking. Could have easily been said another way.

Like I said. This one is all salt.

As a writer, if anyone critiqued your hard work like that, you might have a finger or two to raise in response, no?

I absolutely would, no argument there. I can see things from both POVs, writer and audience.

...

I think I just realized that my first major attempts at writing come perilously close to not passing the Madonna/Whore test. Still, I've gotten much better.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

And April is STILL poorly written. Everybody loses.

I'm confused. He made a point of saying this year that April was all he cared about, that the turtles were just going to be the same as you expect, but that his focus was all on her.
But your blow out leads me to believe that she was a burden?
Even in the last ep, she has all this rage, but it falls flat...

Hmmm, so is Ciro really about April, or not?

[plastroncafe]

It all comes down to tone with you.

Go listen to the cast. Go hear what I asked him. I didn't bring up madonna/whore. I asked obliquely if there was going to be another female character because I'd heard rumors of Irma, but gave him an out for spoilers.

I asked if the season would pass the Bechdel Test, which is a yes/no question. He could have asked what the Bechdel Test was if he didn't know, which it became very apparent he didn't.
He could have said Yes or No. He could have said...I can't talk spoilers.

Instead he went on a diatribe about how there already was a good girl/bad girl, so we're all full up on female characters.

Thus assigning his work with madonna/whore, through no effort on my part.

Then he went on to talk about Teen Titans, and how difficult it was to write female characters because they just get too powerful.

An unfortunate side-effect of having too few characters, not too many. If you have more then all of them don't have to be the Most Powerful Evar!

This is a hole he dug for himself with very little prompting from me.
And then he got buttmad when people called him on his views regarding female characters.

The best part is when he went on FB saying how unfair it was that I railroaded him, and that I should have asked a follow up question.

To this day that request for a follow up interview goes unanswered.
I lost a lot of respect for the man that day, and incrementally more in the days that followed.

What still makes me laugh when I think about this recording, is how I was so floored by what he said I never did get to ask the second question I was allotted during the interview. And then after we got off the phone with him someone dropped something, and....I think it was either Josh or Isaac that said: Plas just flipped a table!
Because they all knew how I felt about what Ciro had said before I even said anything.

tl:dr Summary:
No, I didn't say that to him.
He said that of his own work.
Your bias is showing.

[Candy Kappa]

here's the thread about the Shellshocked podcast interview.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...t=shellshocked

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

tl:dr Summary:
No, I didn't say that to him.
He said that of his own work.
Your bias is showing.

I knew nothing about this going in...I'm asking the questions to know. Thanks for elaborating. I didn't know there was a pod cast.

Yeah, i havea slight bias as you've been salty as hell EVERY time we talk, so there's that.
I don't have any bias other than, tbh.

I just think maybe, it's teensey-teeny-tiny bit possible you expect everyone to fight you. You're always primed for it...and it sounds a bit like that's what happened there. not outright, but you put him on the spot maybe? Maybe it felt like a trap?

and maybe, maybe, he's just like 99% of all artists - very, very thin skinned.

I think you're right, just for the record, and he's wrong, in this instance, but yes, with me, and EVERYONE, it comes down to tone. Tone, matters. It betrays intent.

Then there's also the fact that you have nothing to lose in that scenario, and Ciro could lose everything.
Networks are very quick to axe folks for mis steps, so yeah, maybe his reaction was justifiable as self defense if you account for optics...

Jason Biggs was RIGHT in his mockery of Seaworld...and boom.

So when your career is on the line every-time you're interviewed... could be theres some pressure.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

All I made is one or two comments saying that its not as good as the 4kids Baxter, and that's all.

Did you really? Let's see...

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Baxter's motivation was poor and I don't like how the T-pod was a magic plot device. I hope the stuff with the TCRI leads to something.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Baxter's motivation was shallow so I hope he's fleshed out more in his next appearance which is apparently soon.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If this episode script was pitched to PL he'd probably tear it to shreds in his blog.

An I-pod that upgrades armor with little to no explanation? Baxter's poor motivation to seek revenge? The Turtles using a beehive to stop the main villain? Too much slapstick humor?

Man if this was a 4kids plot it's be ripped to shreds.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

PL doesn't like it when things aren't accurately explained.

For example, where did the chip to power up Baxter Suit actually come from? Don said he found it in a scrapyard, but it obviously must be some alien or government tech to do what it did.

Sadly I doubt the writers will ever explain it, and it'll probably be forgotten about.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Just because the show is funny and clever doesn't mean it can ignore good writing and proper continuity.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Also it makes Baxter evil for the sake of being evil, rather than being a guy with actual motivations.

Didn't Batman:TAS teach us that villains can't be one-dimensional?

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Episode script would have been rejected if it were a 4kids ep.

I even left a couple out. You beat that dead horse to Ikea and back son. And Ciro was never heard from again. Thanks.

Here's you changing your tone the second he bounced. Lol.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Everyone here is just joking around. The show is pretty much universally loved by most fans here.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I knew nothing about this going in...I'm asking the questions to know. Thanks for elaborating. I didn't know there was a pod cast.

Yeah, i havea slight bias as you've been salty as hell EVERY time we talk, so there's that.
I don't have any bias other than, tbh.

I just think maybe, it's teensey-teeny-tiny bit possible you expect everyone to fight you. You're always primed for it...and it sounds a bit like that's what happened there. not outright, but you put him on the spot maybe? Maybe it felt like a trap?

and maybe, maybe, he's just like 99% of all artists - very, very thin skinned.

I think you're right, just for the record, and he's wrong, in this instance, but yes, with me, and EVERYONE, it comes down to tone. Tone, matters. It betrays intent.

Then there's also the fact that you have nothing to lose in that scenario, and Ciro could lose everything.
Networks are very quick to axe folks for mis steps, so yeah, maybe his reaction was justifiable as self defense if you account for optics...

Jason Biggs was RIGHT in his mockery of Seaworld...and boom.

So when your career is on the line every-time you're interviewed... could be theres some pressure.

Listen to the interview.
No feet were held to the fire. No one railroaded him.
He did this to himself.

He works in Hollywood, he should know there's no such thing as a safe space.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

For another, I'm all about my feelings regarding Iron-man 2.

Yes... yes!

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

So, basically, it's do as I say, not as I do? Damn PC, I knew you were a hypocrite..but wow.

Good job ingrates. He's a decent guy. Nice work.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Own up, you're just butthurt you can't claim the BINGO square.

A catfight! Oh boy...

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

And April is STILL poorly written. Everybody loses.

TMNT discussion.... yeah... I like that.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You people just don't know what you want.

CyberCubed thinks deep!!!



How are the rest of y'all doin'?

Also, is it sad that I agree with most of 'Cubed's criticisms? Am I also a nitpicking weenie?

[plastroncafe]

Uh uh. That square specifically states HOW I feel about it, not that I have feelings about it.
You uncheck that right now, mister!

Also....that is NOT a BINGO card.
That's a BING card.