Bomb in NYC injures 29 people

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by snake

You're overestimating the smartness of people. If every dumbf*ck had a weapon AND open carry was legal could you imagine the amount of shootings over minor things? Sure, let the stupid kill themselves, but when you'd find yourself looking down the barrel after spilling your popcorn at the movie theatre, what are you gonna do?

Nah, it wouldn't turn into the wild west. You'd certainly see more private businesses specifically banning them. But day to day life wouldn't be much different. Murder would still be frowned upon lol.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Nah, it wouldn't turn into the wild west. You'd certainly see more private businesses specifically banning them. But day to day life wouldn't be much different. Murder would still be frowned upon lol.

I dunno, man, you don't live in Texas...

There are more redneck idiot hillbillies with itchy trigger fingers than a houn'dog has fleas.

EDIT TO ADD: Of course, one could hope a spree of Darwin Award nominations would solve the problem over a short period of time...

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I dunno, man, you don't live in Texas...

There are more redneck idiot hillbillies with itchy trigger fingers than a houn'dog has fleas.

EDIT TO ADD: Of course, one could hope a spree of Darwin Award nominations would solve the problem over a short period of time...

One could also hope that every bullet fired went into the intended target,and not say...anyone else.

[snake]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Nah, it wouldn't turn into the wild west. You'd certainly see more private businesses specifically banning them. But day to day life wouldn't be much different. Murder would still be frowned upon lol.

I live in the hood. My family stupidly does not own a gun. (Once I'm out on my own, I will for protective purposes.) I have to worry about the constant shootings the way it is, let alone everyone running around with a gun openly.

I know this is all theoretical and probably won't happen, but I wouldn't think doing that would solve anything.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

One could also hope that every bullet fired went into the intended target,and not say...anyone else.

One could also hope that no one ever died, or fell ill, or had their feelings hurt, or etc. etc.

Originally Posted by snake

I live in the hood. My family stupidly does not own a gun. (Once I'm out on my own, I will for protective purposes.) I have to worry about the constant shootings the way it is, let alone everyone running around with a gun openly.

I know this is all theoretical and probably won't happen, but I wouldn't think doing that would solve anything.

Yes agreed, highly theoretical. But I really think y'all are catastrophizing.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by snake

I live in the hood. My family stupidly does not own a gun. (Once I'm out on my own, I will for protective purposes.) I have to worry about the constant shootings the way it is, let alone everyone running around with a gun openly.

I know this is all theoretical and probably won't happen, but I wouldn't think doing that would solve anything.

What we're doing right now isn't working either, and a BAN on guns, would absolutely drive a black market.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Laws are just mental constructs. So are all problems, definitions and meanings.

You can trace back the actions of terrorists to their mental turmoil, the belief that something is wrong and should be different as opposed to what it is. You can trace back every problem to a misunderstanding of reality by the ego, there is no "should", there only is what is.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Laws are just mental constructs. So are all problems, definitions and meanings.

You can trace back the actions of terrorists to their mental turmoil, the belief that something is wrong and should be different as opposed to what it is. You can trace back every problem to a misunderstanding of reality by the ego, there is no "should", there only is what is.

...well, duh.

[plastroncafe]

What is is a mental construct.

[snake]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

What is is a mental construct.

Green Lantern rings you f*cking fake nerd girl

Do you not read camics or something?

[Commenter 42]

My gay friends are very angry with today's liberals. The folks I talk to think we should ban Muslims, if for no other reason than their brutal intolerance.

Maybe that sounds harsh, but watch a chairing video, and you realize, they have some horrific customs. Maybe we don't need anymore of that kind of thinking.

This whole thing reminds me of the Indian and the log.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

My gay friends are very angry with today's liberals. The folks I talk to think we should ban Muslims, if for no other reason than their brutal intolerance.

Maybe that sounds harsh, but watch a chairing video, and you realize, they have some horrific customs. Maybe we don't need anymore of that kind of thinking.

This whole thing reminds me of the Indian and the log.

Did you see the video from a british school of a muslim teacher (burka'd and all) telling the children all about how infidels are stoned, killed, and punished? Like not even sugar coating it. She full on tells them that they should be killed. One of the students recorded it using a cell phone.


Very disturbing.


EDIT - http://www.infowars.com/leaked-video...-to-kill-gays/

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by snake

Did you see the video from a british school of a muslim teacher (burka'd and all) telling the children all about how infidels are stoned, killed, and punished? Like not even sugar coating it. She full on tells them that they should be killed. One of the students recorded it using a cell phone.


Very disturbing.


EDIT - http://www.infowars.com/leaked-video...-to-kill-gays/

See, there's a huge difference between being a biggot/racist, and being opposed to ideological views.
I don't hate whites. I DO hate white nationalism. Skin color is a footnote, your customs might be another story.

People are just people, for better or worse, but Islamic militants are intent on causing harm, and needs to be addressed. On the flip side, the US isn't innocent. Everyone has blood on there hands.

Humans aren't interested in peace, just retribution/retaliation.

So, yeah, teaching children to hate...that's a reality. Did we earn that hate? Hard to say-there was a war, things were horrific, and it still continues, today. We do own a piece of the refugee crisis.
So, it's all terrible, but for now, limiting immigration and perhaps travel, to or from places that are screaming death to America, is probably a good idea. Meanwhile, maybe we need to figure out why we're still ostensibly, at war.

Hate of gays is, just, well, as someone pointed out , I'm old, and gay hatred was pretty normal, until the early 2000's.

Growing up, being gay was practically synonymous with being a pedophile or similar. It was not cool, at all. 40 years ago, you could be arrested, for being gay. In was a crime....
So, Islam needs to catch up.
I was one of those kids that liked the fringe. I like otherness. I grew up knowing closeted kids.
But all that said, it is 2016, not 1980. The world has grown it's understanding of everything exponentially. We get, what we never did before.

But that's the biggest problem religions face. They don't change, or if they do, it isn't quickly. They pride the,selves on hard and fast rules about life.

Imagine, if that applied to video games, or the iPhone, or music.

Mozart is great and all, but The Beatles need to exist.

So, of course they teach children to hate gays. The religion is outdated poison, like all religions are; hard and fast rules devised to control and exclude, divide and demonize.
You simply can't accept a religion without acknowledging your accepting hatred. It is confirmation bias, in it's purest form.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't necessarily think its religion itself which is the problem (a book with written pages in ink letters, whether it is the Bible or the Quran, means nothing aside from what meaning you give to it), but the approach towards religion itself, and how many people have abused and exploited it throughout all of human history, not just in the modern era.

There are a million different ways to interpret these books, the problem isn't in the books, its in the meaning that people give to it.

I've met people who call themselves Muslims with kindness that is truly astounding, and people who call themselves Muslims who have threatened to behead me. We can blame Islam all we want, but Islam means nothing aside from what we give to it in meaning. Maybe it is time to change our approach.

[Commenter 42]

Religion isn't reduceable to a book, anymore than English is simply a Dictionary. Downward causation is flawed my fiend.

The spectrum argument is pure folly, like the sliding scale for rape. At what point is it rape?
You're using the same argument here. Religion is wrong, all of it, in everyway.

Heroin has its upside, as does coke and speed. Sugar is damn tasty...

Right now, we have a deity problem, and it's time for us to own it.

God is not great.

[mrmaczaps]

Islam will never catch up or change. Muslims need to be banned from all civilized countries. Muslims are taught when they are the minority to do whatever to gain favor, and trust. When they outnumber everyone else..... watch out.

The quran is of the devil. No good can come from it.

Open carry doesn't harm anyone. Concealed carry doesn't either. Hate kills. Guns are sometimes the weapon of choice. Usually stolen.

I conceal carry. I've never taken my weapon out. Never aimed it at anyone or anything except a target. Not even the neighbors annoying unleashed dog that tries to bite my ankles in my own driveway.

There's not a thing wrong with the Christian Bible. When you love someone, it's a responsibility to tell your loved one they are messing up. Parents should correct their children. Teach your kids respect and honor and they will typically grow up to respect and honor. I didn't even grow up in Christian household. A friend taught me. It was interesting to see the things I already knew to be right or wrong and see where that intuition came from.

Feel free to hate on the new guy who jumped in.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

The quran is of the devil. No good can come from it.

There's not a thing wrong with the Christian Bible.

No good can come of the Quran? As according to whose interpretation? Sunnis, Shias, Quranists, Ahmadis, Sufis, Reformists, Peaceful folk, terrorists? What is supposed to be "good" anyway?

I think C42 would strongly disagree with the second statement

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Islam will never catch up or change. Muslims need to be banned from all civilized countries. Muslims are taught when they are the minority to do whatever to gain favor, and trust. When they outnumber everyone else..... watch out.
...

There's not a thing wrong with the Christian Bible.

You realize they are effectively derived from the same source, right? They're both of abraheimic origin.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Quran? As according to whose interpretation? Sunnis, Shias, Quranists, Ahmadis, Sufis, Peaceful folk, terrorists?

I think C42 would strongly disagree with the second statement

Lol, you know me too well.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

You realize they are effectively derived from the same source, right? They're both of abraheimic origin.



Lol, you know me too well.

Cant have spent time reading either one if you believe they come from the same source.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Cant have spent time reading either one if you believe they come from the same source.

Um, it's not my belief. It's historical record. Feel free to google it.