Casey Jones the worst character?

[ssjup81]

Rocksteady's mother also wears "the combat boots". I'm going to assume that Mrs. Steranko is a tough lady.

That aside, Casey is a supporting main character. I don't even need to see his sister or father, but it would help if the character himself acknowledged them. I was expecting that after the Space Arc and after North Hampton. Either the writers forgot about his family or that they're going to do something later.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

That's ridiculous. It has potential to flesh out a character in more than just two dimensions. Rocksteady mentioned having a brother and The Finger has a cousin and nobody's bitching about them. It gives them a background as more than just what we see on the show. We have an idea of what their life is like when they're not "on camera". Same with mentioning a hobby or job that isn't shown during the run of the show... it gives is a bit more of a window into their world. I don't think there's any piece of media that runs for some time that doesn't do this.

Okay the difference is that no one remembers The Finger and you can count the number of appearance rocksteady has with one hand, Casey meanwhile the guy who says his little sister made him be a vigilante just because he wants to keep his little we haven't seen said little sister and the dude has more appearances than Karai at this point. Also like I said before mentioning them not only doesn't improve the worldbuilding it also makes it worse "Show don't tell" its writing 101

Imagine if we never had any sign or clue Cyborg from Teen Titans was an athlete or we were only told Raven was bookish.

Or even if were told that the Earth Kingdom is good at sending packages and we never got to see it, or during Steven Universe Steven mentions Beach city numerous of times but we never see the citzens. Hell even in Gravity Falls we Robbie a guy who only appeared in 6 episodes at most family. Hell even in Ultimate Spiderman we saw Spidy's teemates family and background

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Okay the difference is that no one remembers The Finger and you can count the number of appearance rocksteady has with one hand

I guess it depends on how many fingers you have, but Rocksteady has appeared in at least 10 episodes (plus 2 pre-mutation). If it weren't for Casey going on the space trip, they'd be fairly close in number of appearances.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I guess it depends on how many fingers you have, but Rocksteady has appeared in at least 10 episodes (plus 2 pre-mutation). If it weren't for Casey going on the space trip, they'd be fairly close in number of appearances.

I'm counting Rocksteady so no Ivan

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Okay the difference is that no one remembers The Finger and you can count the number of appearance rocksteady has with one hand, Casey meanwhile the guy who says his little sister made him be a vigilante just because he wants to keep his little we haven't seen said little sister and the dude has more appearances than Karai at this point. Also like I said before mentioning them not only doesn't improve the worldbuilding it also makes it worse "Show don't tell" its writing 101

You can't take what some failed novelist hack in a classsroom takes as law. Imagine if this were in the real world; if your friend mentioned his sister did something, would your instant response be to question if you got to meet her? And if you did and he said no, would you get huffy and ask why he even brought her up if you were not going to meet her? No, that's stupid. Why would you expect that from a TV show then? Just like your friend, we're supposed to assume that these folks have lives outside of when you see them, and they aren't always going to intersect with what you see every week.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

I'm counting Rocksteady so no Ivan

Still at least 10... that's a lotta fingers.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

You can't take what some failed novelist hack in a classsroom takes as law. Imagine if this were in the real world; if your friend mentioned his sister did something, would your instant response be to question if you got to meet her? And if you did and he said no, would you get huffy and ask why he even brought her up if you were not going to meet her? No, that's stupid. Why would you expect that from a TV show then? Just like your friend, we're supposed to assume that these folks have lives outside of when you see them, and they aren't always going to intersect with what you see every week.

Not necessarily, but if the world blew up and somehow you and your friend survived and he's 100% nonchalant about it, you'd eventually ask "Um... didn't you have a sister or something?" if he continues to ask as if he didn't lose anyone he cared about.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

You can't take what some failed novelist hack in a classsroom takes as law. Imagine if this were in the real world; if your friend mentioned his sister did something, would your instant response be to question if you got to meet her? And if you did and he said no, would you get huffy and ask why he even brought her up if you were not going to meet her? No, that's stupid. Why would you expect that from a TV show then? Just like your friend, we're supposed to assume that these folks have lives outside of when you see them, and they aren't always going to intersect with what you see every week.

The guy who is considered as one of the best short story writers isn't a "hack in the classroom", "show don't tell" is considered a technique that gives your story more weight and meat also I'm not talking about real life I'm talking about fiction and if you introduce a character who appears at least half of the series excluding the season he wasn't introduce who pretty much says the reason he fights crime is because of his family and we don't see his family 2 seasons after he was introduce then I'm going have to call bad writing

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

The guy who is considered as one of the best short story writers isn't a "hack in the classroom", "show don't tell" is considered a technique that gives your story more weight and meat also I'm not talking about real life I'm talking about fiction and if you introduce a character who appears at least half of the series excluding the season he wasn't introduce who pretty much says the reason he fights crime is because of his family and we don't see his family 2 seasons after he was introduce then I'm going have to call bad writing

Like I said, like Batman but without ever and I mean NEVER EVER showing his parents, not flashbacks or otherwise.

Either make the sister a throwaway line... and don't make her as important as the one that helped inspired Casey to do what he's best known for.... or don't blow up the whole friggin planet and make him pretend she doesn't exist.

If anything, Casey should be more driven. Wasn't his purpose to make sure people like his sister and April never got hurt and that he would be able to protect them? His family is dead. Time to step up with helping find the black hole generator and leave the goofy comic relief nonsense at the door.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Like I said, like Batman but without ever and I mean NEVER EVER showing his parents, not flashbacks or otherwise.

Either make the sister a throwaway line... and don't make her as important as the one that helped inspired Casey to do what he's best known for.... or don't blow up the whole friggin planet and make him pretend she doesn't exist.

If anything, Casey should be more driven. Wasn't his purpose to make sure people like his sister and April never got hurt and that he would be able to protect them? His family is dead. Time to step up with helping find the black hole generator and leave the goofy comic relief nonsense at the door.

At this point I would be happy to see what she looks like

[Powder]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

The 2k3 series had-

don't blame us just because the writers here are incompetent at what they do

Oh, are you one of those?

& you not liking the way someone does a thing does not mean they're incompetent.

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

That's ridiculous.

I agree with everything you said from this post onward. Their posts, on the other hand, have made it clear there's no point in wasting our time. #donezo

[Coola Yagami]

See ya.

And come now, you know this show is chock-full of bad writing here and there, plot-amnesia being the worst offender.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Powder

Oh, are you one of those?

& you not liking the way someone does a thing does not mean they're incompetent.

So its okay for you to say that the TMNT franchise are "in the now" but when I mention incarnations that show the backstories of other characters apparently "I'm one of those people"

Also when you introduce a character who appears in numerous of episodes hell even rivaling the mentor in the number of episodes he appears in and whose motivation to fight crime is to protect his family and said family doesn't appear then how is that anything but incompetent writing. How is dropping plot points and having the characters have Aesop amnesia not an example of bad or incompetent writing.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

The guy who is considered as one of the best short story writers isn't a "hack in the classroom", "show don't tell" is considered a technique that gives your story more weight and meat also I'm not talking about real life I'm talking about fiction and if you introduce a character who appears at least half of the series excluding the season he wasn't introduce who pretty much says the reason he fights crime is because of his family and we don't see his family 2 seasons after he was introduce then I'm going have to call bad writing

Yeah I was out of line with the hack bit. Just because every writing teacher I've met has been someone who couldn't cut it doesn't mean every one is. I will defend against "show don't tell" though because it's not applicable in every instance. Not every rule applies and I've known of plenty of "made it" writers who aren't fond of the rule anyway.

(Who is this you speak of by the way? As far as I know it's attributed to Chekov but there isn't any evidence he used a phrasing such as this).

Also, saying that "this is fiction, not real life" only works in examples in which it... well... doesn't apply. This does. I drew a parallel and saying "lol no" doesn't dismiss what I said.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Yeah I was out of line with the hack bit. Just because every writing teacher I've met has been someone who couldn't cut it doesn't mean every one is. I will defend against "show don't tell" though because it's not applicable in every instance. Not every rule applies and I've known of plenty of "made it" writers who aren't fond of the rule anyway.

(Who is this you speak of by the way? As far as I know it's attributed to Chekov but there isn't any evidence he used a phrasing such as this).

Also, saying that "this is fiction, not real life" only works in examples in which it... well... doesn't apply. This does. I drew a parallel and saying "lol no" doesn't dismiss what I said.

Name 6 writers and series that are critically acclaimed and have a tell don't show vibe going for them.

Also Chekov did more or less create the term

The problem with your example is that the friend in your scenario only mentioned his sister if the friend said "I want to become a dentist to help my sister" and not only you never met her but the friend never brings it up I personally would't get huffy but I would be weirded out

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Rocksteady's mother also wears "the combat boots". I'm going to assume that Mrs. Steranko is a tough lady.

That aside, Casey is a supporting main character. I don't even need to see his sister or father, but it would help if the character himself acknowledged them. I was expecting that after the Space Arc and after North Hampton. Either the writers forgot about his family or that they're going to do something later.

Rocksteady also mentioned having a brother named Batok. Which is something that hasn't existed in other versions.

The OT Stockman had a Twin Brother named Barney, and 2k3 his mother died trying to provide a good life for him.

The series isn't over yet so there is still a chance for Casey's family to appear or April's mother (if she exists), or her unseen Aunt, so on. If they are deemed important enough to introduce into the show. Otherwise, they are just some names or plausible characters that fanfic writers or whoever writes the next incarnation of TMNT to use.

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Name 6 writers and series that are critically acclaimed and have a tell don't show vibe going for them.

Also Chekov did more or less create the term

The problem with your example is that the friend in your scenario only mentioned his sister if the friend said "I want to become a dentist to help my sister" and not only you never met her but the friend never brings it up I personally would't get huffy but I would be weirded out

Chekhov is also where we get the terms Chekhov's gun along with other tropes such as Chekhov's boomerang.

Which means something that seems minor at first may turn out to be important later.

In other words if a gun is introduced in the first act, it goes off sometime in the third act.

[BubblyShell22]

I was just going to bring up April's aunt actually. We haven't seen her either, but everyone's complaining about Casey's dad and sister. The way I see it is that they are background characters and aren't even that important to show unless a situation calls for it. And we haven't really seen April's dad since they got back either. I'm not bothered by it. While we did see flashback's of Casey's dad in the 2K3 series, that was all we got and everyone was fine with that. Why can't you just accept that these characters just aren't important at the time and deal with it?

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I was just going to bring up April's aunt actually. We haven't seen her either, but everyone's complaining about Casey's dad and sister.

Okay the difference between April's aunt(or any other character's family) and Casey's family for the hundreth time is that Casey's motivation is to protect his family meanwhile he only mentioned his family like 2 time at most and he wasn't really bothered by his family blown up. Though it is kinda strange how we never saw April's aunt considering she has been taking care of her for season 1 and never saw her reaction when April dispersed

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

The way I see it is that they are background characters and aren't even that important to show unless a situation calls for it. And we haven't really seen April's dad since they got back either.

Well thats just bad writing, a good writer would have Casey mention his family numerous of times or at least gave us a peek of what his homelife is a good writer would also show what April's dad reaction to his daughter going off at nights, its called worldbuilding.

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I'm not bothered by it. While we did see flashback's of Casey's dad in the 2K3 series, that was all we got and everyone was fine with that. Why can't you just accept that these characters just aren't important at the time and deal with it?

You're right we got a numerous of mentions and flashback and people back then was satisfied with that so maybe we are being whiny I mean we have Casey mentioning his sister and oh wait we don't know what she looks like or what her name is and like I said before at most Casey mentioned her 2 times meanwhile the 2k3 series where Casey appeared much less compared to this counterpart we not only see flashbacks to Casey's father but his mother and his uncle thats why we can't deal with it because its shoddy writing.

[BubblyShell22]

But why would any of that matter? At the end of the day, this show is about the TMNT and though Casey and April are allies of the TMNT, that doesn't mean we have to see every aspect of their lives. The only aspects of April's family we saw in 2K3 was her uncle and her sister for a brief time and nothing else. We never saw her dad or her mom either. It's not shoddy writing at all if you don't show something all of the time. It's about what's important to the story as it's being told.

[Technogeek29]

Oh dear