Don’t Expect a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3, Says Producer

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Bry

And yet Hoag and Koteas both gave far, far better performances in 1990 than Fox and Amell could pull off in 2016. Almost like they had way more actual talent, regardless of how supposedly not "accomplished" they were!

But TMNT 1990 had, I dunno, a script. And a hungry director allowed to kind of realize a vision to some degree.

But let's play Devil's advocate. Let's pretend Hoag and Koteas were April and Casey in "Out of the Shadows." Same movie. Same director. Same script. Still same result. There was no opportunity for them to do anything with the characters.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But TMNT 1990 had, I dunno, a script. And a hungry director allowed to kind of realize a vision to some degree.

But let's play Devil's advocate. Let's pretend Hoag and Koteas were April and Casey in "Out of the Shadows." Same movie. Same director. Same script. Still same result. There was no opportunity for them to do anything with the characters.

Exactly. We'd all be complaing about lame ass cop koteas and shoplifting schoolgirl hoag.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

But let's play Devil's advocate. Let's pretend Hoag and Koteas were April and Casey in "Out of the Shadows." Same movie. Same director. Same script. Still same result. There was no opportunity for them to do anything with the characters.

This logic really doesn't hold, man. I've seen plenty of actors I like in sh*tty roles, doesn't mean that I thought their performance was poor just because the material itself was.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Exactly. We'd all be complaing about lame ass cop koteas and shoplifting schoolgirl hoag.

The bad changes made to the characters, the bad dialogue they were given, it doesn't mean that the people in those roles can't emote, or be convincing. That's all on the person performing.

For example, I hate what they've done with the turtles, but I still think their voice actors gave it their all & did justice to how they were written. Vern's not Vern at all anymore, this bastardized re-imagining of him sucks major ass, but Will did his thing. He played that part well. Proof's in the pudding. I hate Nu-Casey, but if Amell had given a passionate performance, I could at least respect that. I could think he was a decent part placed in the wrong film or something. But nope, it was the poops, same with Fox.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Powder

The bad changes made to the characters, the bad dialogue they were given, it doesn't mean that the people in those roles can't emote, or be convincing.

Emote on what? Convince us of what? There is nothing to accomplish any of that in said film. The stakes of some nonsense that equates to nonsense?

But aside from that... it's a bit, let's pretend this is an episode of the actor's studio. Scene 23 shot 5 take 1... Amell doing lame hack dialogue while emoting against a greenscreen with probably a lame Rocksteady tennis ball stand-in with probably little to no direction. You think Amell is allowed to do anything but what Puppet Director/Viacom wants him to do? OK. Now TMNT 1990. Koteas says, "Hey, let me go a little wild here, is that cool?" They would say yes.

[Myko]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

And a few other single ep appearances for a few shows, as listed on Wikipedia. Don't see Smallville, but that sounds familiar, maybe it was one of the others?

Alan Ritchson (Raphael) played Aquaman on Smallville, IIRC.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Emote on what? Convince us of what? There is nothing to accomplish any of that in said film. The stakes of some nonsense that equates to nonsense?

But aside from that... it's a bit, let's pretend this is an episode of the actor's studio. Scene 23 shot 5 take 1... Amell doing lame hack dialogue while emoting against a greenscreen with probably a lame Rocksteady tennis ball stand-in with probably little to no direction. You think Amell is allowed to do anything but what Puppet Director/Viacom wants him to do? OK. Now TMNT 1990. Koteas says, "Hey, let me go a little wild here, is that cool?" They would say yes.

No disrespect, but I've seen the films (Mind you, I'm certainly not bragging about it) & I understand you have opted not to (wisely). I'd like to think my familiarity gives me a foot to stand on here. There's enough material, garbage or not, for them to have shown they have some semblance of skill, like the Turtles' voice cast did. Do I really have to explain what I mean? You know, like, expressions that genuinely convey anger or fear as opposed to blank faces or mild eyebrow movement. Voices that rather than just becoming louder, are backed by those feelings, voices which have changes in tonality, in pitch. They're staler than WW2 ration crackers, my dude.

I cannot wrap my head around you thinking we live in a universe where Viacom pays people to ensure that their human leads in the breakout films of an immensely popular money-making franchise don't do anything more than look (passably) good. Considering the way April O'neil has been pushed in the 3 new iterations, its safe to say that her heavy involvement has been developed/pushed by Viacom, so they didn't have the whole "Shredder's cronies killed my daddy so I have to be the one who kills him" bit in the first film just for kicks. They, whoever they is, wanted to give her an arc, something that starts off with a tug of the heart strings & resolves with a "YEAH!" when she gets her revenge. & with Casey you're supposed to see the rage & sadness of a guy whose childhood dreams, ego, & professional reputation get crushed simultaneously. The characters are generally shallow, no question, but do these denote a cardboard performance? They were obviously, however poorly, intended to be "deep", & one would think somebody, somewhere, hoped the performances would put that across. You think a director or someone else of more powerful creative influence is sitting there like "Yeah, we like how they're written, but they need to be flat as possible on-screen."? You think there's a chance those two actors really wanted to get experimental with their roles, to go all out & give compelling performances, but got shot down by the latest Bay-For-Hire at the license holders behest? You think they have the ability to pull that off in the first place, were they not prevented in this hypothetical scenario? If Green or anyone else told them to dial it back, it would only be because they're not capable of delivering whatever it was they attempted beyond what we saw in the final cuts.

Yes, the #1 issue is how it was written. But the point is, they all suck, the writers, most of the cast, probably the directors/producers. Would Steve Barron have gotten a good April/Casey out of these two, with or without different material? Really? Really?

Why you would dismiss a wide-scale dislike for their casting & subsequent performances as being "fanboy rage" & have faith in these C- at best tier talents is absolutely beyond me. I could see one of your "plants" making that argument, but you?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I hope for the Earth getting attacked by Triceratons if a third film is produced, not just a few but large-scale orbital bombardment from Triceraton spacecraft.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Casey Jones and April O'Neil aren't Shakespeare and neither role necessarily requires anything remotely approaching A-list actors or actresses. Technically both Fox and Amell are way more accomplished right now than either Hoag or Koteas were in 1990. If Amell was Amell and Fox was Fox in 1990, TMNT 1990 would have been lucky to grab them.

By that logic we shouldn't put any of the TMNT characters on a high pedestal, not even Shredder or the Turtles themselves.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jephael

By that logic we shouldn't put any of the TMNT characters on a high pedestal

In terms of who does the voices? I couldn't care less who does the voices. Only thing I'd care about is making sure they use trained martial artists for the mo-cap.

not even Shredder

Shredder should have a pretty decent name attached to it. He's the singular "arch villain," so he kind of needs to be able to carry that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I still think the producers should attempt to make a third film, then talk about reboot if they want.

[ColinStein]

I'd also like to see a third. They were trying to set up something, I'm interested in at least seeing what they want to do. But then again, I'm a huge fan of 2007. Is that liked around here?

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I couldn't care less who does the voices. Only thing I'd care about is making sure they use trained martial artists for the mo-cap.

That pretty much sums up the difference between you and me, dude. You're all into the action and fighting. I'm in it for the characters' personalities and how they behave like ordinary people when not in combat. There has to be a balance between the two.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by ColinStein

I'm a huge fan of 2007. Is that liked around here?

Definitely liked, yeah. Not many love it necessarily, but the general consensus is that it was good, just a bit muddied up by too many plots at once.

[Leolead]

The more I think about it, the more I feel an IDW-inspired TMNT film is the way to go. It'd still be the polar-opposite of the Bay films but all of the elements and characters like Krang, B&R, Stockman etc done right and updated for more mature story-telling. I feel like it balances all of the elements really well.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jephael

That pretty much sums up the difference between you and me, dude. You're all into the action and fighting. I'm in it for the characters' personalities and how they behave like ordinary people when not in combat. There has to be a balance between the two.

That's... not even remotely what I was saying or implying.

Having a bad day?

[Leolead]

This might be what we need.

Spoiler:

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[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Leolead

This might be what we need.

Spoiler:

http://tmnt-ninjaturtles.com/assets/...r-A_Duncan.jpg

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I don' think Baxter Stockman's mouser-robots can carry an entire film. Baxter Stockman can do it as a mad scientist, and he can use mouser-robots partly. But he also needs some more Earth-conquest plans.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's... not even remotely what I was saying or implying.

Hey that's what I got outta your last statement. Take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Having a bad day?

This coming from the guy making a face in his avatar like he's passing a large kidney stone.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Hey that's what I got outta your last statement. Take it or leave it.

Which is weird that that is what you read out of that post.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Hey that's what I got outta your last statement. Take it or leave it.



This coming from the guy making a face in his avatar like he's passing a large kidney stone.

...Gross...