Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 22: The Power Inside Her *Episode 100*

[Haalix]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Na that would have been boring like the 2K3 Back to the Sewers story with the Turtles searching for Splinters particles.

I didn't want Donnie to miss season final, that's if the Turtles are fighting Super Shredder.

No way that's gonna happen. They deserve a final showdown with the four of them. (Or including Miwa and Splinter) but not one turtle being excluded or one turtle fighting the Shredder alone *cough* Leo

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Na that would have been boring like the 2K3 Back to the Sewers story with the Turtles searching for Splinters particles.

I didn't want Donnie to miss season final, that's if the Turtles are fighting Super Shredder.

It might be due to me needing to watch the entirety of 2k3, but does anyone want to fill me in brief on the Back to the Sewers plot with Splinter? Few to no spoilers would be appreciated.

I've written my own outline, or "fan fiction" where Leo is presumed dead in a fight and comes back in a very big way. I don't see what the problem would be if Don were dead for a few episodes, then to revive him early on in the next season; between episodes 2 to 4 would be a good limit so he's not missing for that long. If not, then he could be missing until the season finale with a big return to fight Super Shredder. A similar event happened in IDW, no?

Instead, we get "Ooh, we finally killed off another character not named Splinter in our series! We're ballsy now, see?" I don't mean to exaggerate that, but I still would've liked some breathing room for Donatello gone, in a way VA pointed out. In this series though, it seems unlikely.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

It might be due to me needing to watch the entirety of 2k3, but does anyone want to fill me in brief on the Back to the Sewers plot with Splinter? Few to no spoilers would be appreciated.

I've written my own outline, or "fan fiction" where Leo is presumed dead in a fight and comes back in a very big way. I don't see what the problem would be if Don were dead for a few episodes, then to revive him early on in the next season; between episodes 2 to 4 would be a good limit so he's not missing for that long. So for Don to be missing and then possibly pull a big return in the season finale helping out against SS wouldn't be out of the blue. A similar event happened in IDW, no?

I can actually see a lot of people complaining and crying over Donnie if he was missing for a few episodes. Their complaints would be like this

"I didn't like this episode because of no Donnie"
"Donnie needs to come back now"
"I miss Donnie so much"
"It should be 4 turtles not 3"

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

why is today's episode just half of last weeks's episode I don't get it

I don't get your question

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I can actually see a lot of people complaining and crying over Donnie if he was missing for a few episodes. Their complaints would be like this

"I didn't like this episode because of no Donnie"
"Donnie needs to come back now"
"I miss Donnie so much"
"It should be 4 turtles not 3"

Those are the complaints of those who shouldn't matter. Those are very irrational arguments that are of no substance to the overall episode. These are the same kinds of people who keep episodes such as "Annihilation: Earth!" and even "Slash and Destroy" (perhaps even "The Invasion") from getting the credit they deserve. I myself wouldn't have minded Donatello be absent for a couple of episodes largely because his return was done in a way that I couldn't buy.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I don't get your question

never mind I got last week's episode confused with this weeks ignore my last post. Id love to watch this episode but none of the sites I use and my on demand have it uploaded

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Na that would have been boring like the 2K3 Back to the Sewers story with the Turtles searching for Splinters particles.

The Turtles going through arcs as characters over the loss of Donnie is boring? Yeah, okay. The BTTS story is far different, seeing as how it wasn't the first time these Turtles were without Splinter, and they didn't allow for too much character time.

If they kept Donnie in the state he was in, you don't have to have a scavenger hunt. Think outside the box, guys.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I can actually see a lot of people complaining and crying over Donnie if he was missing for a few episodes. Their complaints would be like this

"I didn't like this episode because of no Donnie"
"Donnie needs to come back now"
"I miss Donnie so much"
"It should be 4 turtles not 3"

Exactly, and with that, when Donnie eventually does make a return, it will be one of the most triumphant, heartwarming, and all-around greatest moments in the show.

Originally Posted by Haalix

It really depends. If they had removed one filler episode previous to this episode they could've done it easily. Or if one of the next episodes is a filler (however doubtful). But I feel like they just have to focus on the Shredder right now. So I'm glad Dark April is out of the picture. Though I fully agree with them doing something more with it. I was actually hoping for some April hurting Donnie moment and some aftermath. Either Don being injured or 'death'

If, during the finale, Dark April kind of layers as another problem on top of Super Shredder as well, then that gives the Turtles more to handle in said finale, which is a quite good thing. It's like with The Invasion, where Shredder AND The Kraang were the big enemies for the Turtles to fight.

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

It might be due to me needing to watch the entirety of 2k3, but does anyone want to fill me in brief on the Back to the Sewers plot with Splinter? Few to no spoilers would be appreciated.

It lasted the whole season, it was boring, it didn't do much for the characters, and yet was somehow the best part of the season.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

Those are the complaints of those who shouldn't matter. Those are very irrational arguments that are of no substance to the overall episode. These are the same kinds of people who keep episodes such as "Annihilation: Earth!" and even "Slash and Destroy" (perhaps even "The Invasion") from getting the credit they deserve. I myself wouldn't have minded Donatello be absent for a couple of episodes largely because his return was done in a way that I couldn't buy.

Yet you buy how a bunch of blue goop turns 4 regular turtles into humans and turns a man into a rat?

Sounds like a pretty counterproductive argument about a show premise that makes no sense in the first place.

[matteso586]

Surprised that this show had three intense episodes in a row.

Anyone notice that April looks like a dead ringer for her mother? Aside from the hair color.

[GoldMutant]

Autobot, you're referring to Darkest Plight, the episode from last week.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I can actually see a lot of people complaining and crying over Donnie if he was missing for a few episodes. Their complaints would be like this

"I didn't like this episode because of no Donnie"
"Donnie needs to come back now"
"I miss Donnie so much"
"It should be 4 turtles not 3"

Most of these complaints sound exactly like ones from nick.com with the kids, not so much people like most of us here who are older. Allow me to retort though on each of them:

1. "I didn't like this episode because of no Donnie"-Same thing as "7.8/10, too much water" with Pokémon OR/AS a few years ago. In other words, irrelevant and horrible reasoning to dislike an episode. Same way can be applied to every other character, like Newtrailizer not appearing in the space arc when he was perfect for it. Trejo though I'd assume has a busy schedule.

2. "Donnie needs to come back now"- You can still have Donnie present without him appearing physically. Perhaps a flashback, as Peter did here in the final fight, or Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind briefly with showing *shudder* the Bigfoot episode. Heck, you can still reference him in dialogue if he's central to a story.

3. "I miss Donnie so much"- Refer to the previous argument.

4. "It should be 4 turtles not 3"- People need to not get attached to the characters. People whined when Leo got beaten to a pulp in Invasion, most are from Youtube or the Nick site.

Okay, for the sake of argument of 4 Turtles, why is it all four are in an episode? Some are unneeded in certain episodes and are just there. Didn't some of the comics have solo Turtle adventures, not counting the micros? I know 2k3 did this with Leo and when the Turtles separated into different areas across time. (2k3 I really need to brush up on.)

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

It lasted the whole season, it was boring, it didn't do much for the characters, and yet was somehow the best part of the season.

Thank you Aaron, I'll give it a look.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

The Turtles going through arcs as characters over the loss of Donnie is boring? Yeah, okay. The BTTS story is far different, seeing as how it wasn't the first time these Turtles were without Splinter, and they didn't allow for too much character time.

Exactly, and with that, when Donnie eventually does make a return, it will be one of the most triumphant, heartwarming, and all-around greatest moments in the show.

I never said the loss of Donnie would be boring, I said the particle thing would be boring.

As I said in previous posts, I'm not a fan of April and her powers, I did like this episode but not as much as the last 2. It didn't give me the emotional impact like The Invasion and Annihilation: Earth! did

I'm glad Dark April ended in this episode because I want the 4 turtles to focus on Super Shredder now and not have side adventure of getting Donnie back.

If this episode happened in the season final then I would of been ok with the Turtles and April getting Donnie back not when we got 4 episodes to go and still had to deal with Super Shredder. It just be really confusing.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Most of these complaints sound exactly like ones from nick.com with the kids, not so much people like most of us here who are older. Allow me to retort though on each of them:

I can't get on Nick.com, I'm going by what people would say on here, Twitter, Tumblr ect

Okay, for the sake of argument of 4 Turtles, why is it all four are in an episode? Some are unneeded in certain episodes and are just there. Didn't some of the comics have solo Turtle adventures, not counting the micros? I know 2k3 did this with Leo and when the Turtles separated into different areas across time. (2k3 I really need to brush up on.)

The only solo adventures I read were from IDW which I liked.

The only episode that I watch from the turtles getting separated is the SAINW episode I skip the other episodes. I don't mind the Leo Casey episode.

[victory_angel]

If this episode could have been expanded on. Maybe have had April defeat of Za-noran, everyone is glad that is over. But the missions victory still comes at a heavy price. April is distrought that Donnie is dead at her hands. Leo tells her it's not her fault. He then looks at everyone of his brothers and honorary family. And says "Come on, guys. Let's go home, Splinter...Splinter should know what happened." He then sadly looks at Donnie's mask.

Then the episode goes into one of those emotional moments where the background music does all to talking to really hit home the impact of the characters emotions.

In this silent scene Leo is holding Don's mask and reluctantly starts towards the Dojo. April goes and sits in the pit looking all sad, as tears start to slowly fill her eyes. Raph walks to the lab, he looks in it and sees shadows of Donnie working in there. Shadows of Donnie explaining some breakthrough he's come up with, or some strategy they need to follow on a mission.

Casey sits down somewhere off to the side, his face a mask of conflicting emotion. He remembers all the times he and Donnie would bicker or when they would work together and get along even it was for April's sake.

Focus on April as a tear starts to fall down her face.

Mikey opens's the door to Donnie's bedroom almost as though he expected Donnie to be there. To his dismay, he finds Donnie is not, and instead he sees the memory shadows of Donnie quietly reading in his bedroom, or everyone hanging out together. Or maybe Donnie comforting him.

Focus back on April as another tear descends down her face.

Leo enters the Dojo with a dismayed look in his eyes. He looks down at the purple mask in his hand. Splinter looks up in concern as Leo approaches. Leonardo then holds out Donnie's mask. Splinter takes the ownerless mask in trembling fingers as Leo explains what happened. Splinter's ears droop as he listens.

More tears begin to fall from April's eyes as she visualizes the memories she has had in the lair with Donnie. Or all the times Donnie has been there for her.

Splinter puts a hand on his eldest son's shoulder before he goes to place the mask at the shrine beside the photo of his human family. He then prays so that Donatello's spirit may find peace.

Leo sadly leaves the Dojo. Raph is sitting in the pit, his face screwed up like he wants to punch something, but his eyes have a lost look as he doesn't feel like it's worth the effort.

April has buried her face in a pillow and begins to sob in misery.

In the bedroom's Mikey is lying sadly in on top of bed gazing up at the ceiling. He has a lost expression on his face as though everything good in the world has just died.

Leo numbly walks around the lair, visualizing memories of the four of them. He then pulls out his phone.

Karai slowly pulls her phone down from her ear, her eyes holding a troubled look as though she doesn't know what to make of this development, Shini looks at her in concern.

Then shift to the channel six building. Donnie suddenly materializes. At first he is confused as to where he is, the last he remembered he had been his brothers and April. He calls for them but they don't appear. That's when he notices the city looks different, he shakes his head in disbelief and distraughtly mutters "Oh No..." And we are treated to a view of the city under the control of the Shredder. Fade to still image.

[Haalix]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I can't get on Nick.com, I'm going by what people would say on here, Twitter, Tumblr ect

Try 'hola better internet' works for me

[Haalix]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

If this episode could have been expanded on. Maybe have had April defeat of Za-noran, everyone is glad that is over. But the missions victory still comes at a heavy price. April is distrought that Donnie is dead at her hands. Leo tells her it's not her fault. He then looks at everyone of his brothers and honorary family. He then says "Come on, guys. Let's go home, Splinter...Splinter should know what happened." He then sadly looks at Donnie's mask.

Then the episode goes into one of those emotional moments where the background music does all to talking to really hit home the impact of the characters emotions.

In this silent scene Leo is holding Don's mask and reluctantly starts towards the Dojo. April goes and sits in the pit looking all sad, as tears start to slowly fill her eyes. Raph walks to the lab, he looks in it and sees shadows of Donnie working in there. Shadows of Donnie explaining some breakthrough he's come up with, or some strategy they need to follow on a mission.

Casey sits down somewhere off to the side, his face a mask of conflicting emotion. He remembers all the times he and Donnie would bicker or when they would work together and get along even it was for April's sake.

Focus on April as a tear starts to fall down her face.

Mikey opens's the door to Donnie's bedroom almost as though he expected Donnie to be there. To his dismay, he finds Donnie is not, and instead he sees the memory shadows of Donnie quietly reading in his bedroom, or everyone hanging out together. Or maybe Donnie comforting him.

Focus back on April as another tear descends down her face.

Leo enters the Dojo with a dismayed look in his eyes. He looks down at the purple mask in his hand. Splinter looks up in concern as Leo approaches. Leonardo then holds out Donnie's mask. Splinter takes the ownerless mask in trembling fingers as Leo explains what happened. Splinter's ears droop as he listens.

More tears begin to fall from April's eyes as she visualizes the memories she has had in the lair with Donnie. Or all the times Donnie has been there for her.

Splinter puts a hand on his eldest son's shoulder before he goes to place the mask at the shrine beside the photo of his human family. He then prays so that Donatello's spirit may find peace.

Leo sadly leaves the Dojo. Raph is sitting in the pit, his face screwed up like he wants to punch something, but his eyes have a lost look as he doesn't feel like it's worth the effort.

April has buried her face in a pillow and begins to sob in misery.

In the bedroom's Mikey is lying sadly in on top of bed gazing up at the ceiling. He has a lost expression on his face as though everything good in the world has just died.

Leo numbly walks around the lair, visualizing memories of the four of them. He then pulls out his phone.

Karai slowly pulls her phone down from her ear, her eyes holding a troubled look as though she doesn't know what to make of this development, Shini looks at her in concern.

Then shift to the channel six building. Donnie suddenly materializes. At first he is confused as to where he is, the last he remembered he had been his brothers and April. He calls for them but they don't appear. That's when he notices the city looks different, he shakes his head in disbelief and distraughtly mutters "Oh No..." And we are treated to a view of the city under the control of the Shredder. Fade to still image.

If only... If only. But to be honest, I don't know if I would even want to see a SAINW in this version. But I really like the idea. And apart from that, that is definitely something that should've been done in the episode. Like I said, they could've easily cut away a filler and do this for an episode. With the cliffhanger Donnie being killed (and shown 'alive' at the end to assure the kids and us that he's still alive ) and the next episode having that idea. Where they're all sad. And then realise how important Don is to the team (preferably realising they all are) either by everything going to hell in the lair or them fighting and losing.

Guess I'll have to wait for someone to write a fanfic about it

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Haalix

Try 'hola better internet' works for me

I have got Hola, it's on my laptop bu I don't use it that much because I'm on my computer more but Hola doesn't work on my computer.

[BubblyShell22]

VA, that is an awesome scenario and definitely how things should have been, but that's sadly not the case. I did like the episode, but like everyone else, I also felt they could have drawn things out a bit more and maybe could have used the mystical theme from season five to bring Donnie back. And it makes me wonder what Requiem will deal with since Donnie isn't really dead and gone as we thought. Another thing that bugged me was how Splinter still has a crutch but Leo was beaten to a pulp and now he's miraculously healed from his wounds. He's a regular John Cena now! He didn't even heal that fast in season three.

But despite these small nitpicks, the rest of the episode was fine and I really liked what they did with the chase scene as that was nicely done. I'm just glad this arc is over and now April will no longer be dependent on the crystal anymore. I hope the preview was for new episodes in two weeks, but if not, that's okay because it can give people a chance to catch up on what they have missed.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by JTH

Yet you buy how a bunch of blue goop turns 4 regular turtles into humans and turns a man into a rat?

Sounds like a pretty counterproductive argument about a show premise that makes no sense in the first place.

A show like this doesn't have to make sense in our universe. But if a show doesn't even make sense in its own universe, then that's a disaster!

Unlike me, the fact that you seem to accept anything that a show throws at you is itself a problem.

[CyberCubed]

April's hairstyle was definitely a homage to Kala the Neutrino, it looked nearly identical in some shots especially from behind.

And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Don being scattered into particles felt like Splinter being scattered to data bits in the BTTS season of the 2k3 series. Perhaps it would have been better to have them search for a way to restore Donnie up to the finale or something.

While the Aeon story is done, they still never really went into April's history again. Her mother is still missing, and we still don't exactly know why she has powers in the first place beyond some vague Kraang backstory.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I can't get on Nick.com, I'm going by what people would say on here, Twitter, Tumblr ect

The only solo adventures I read were from IDW which I liked.

The only episode that I watch from the turtles getting separated is the SAINW episode I skip the other episodes. I don't mind the Leo Casey episode.

Pretty sure not everyone here would react badly, they'd be upset but be ready for when he returns, assuming it isn't permanent. Twitter and Tumblr... that'll be a field day of fickleness.

Still, my point is this: why have them always together most of the time? It's made me curious as I wonder if some of the episodes here would be better with two of the Turtles for example. It's strange as I'd love to see more team ups with other characters, like Raphael and Leatherhead or Michelangelo and Splinter as examples.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

The only solo adventures I read were from IDW which I liked.

The only episode that I watch from the turtles getting separated is the SAINW episode I skip the other episodes. I don't mind the Leo Casey episode.

Uh really? There are tons of episodes/stories with only a few Turtles and not all 4, and they're enjoyable. The Leo/Usagi eps in that Ultimate Draco story was also excellent.