Season 4 Discussion Thread

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

You can't predict the future. They didn't know they wanted it to be Alopex at first.

if you don't have a set plan for it, don't bring it up. or write it down if you think you're going to forget.

Krang Prime was all but forgotten and not even really needed, probably because Rossanne was too expensive, and created just as an excuse to have her on..


this show DOES forget things or under utilizes them..

I won't even bring up Casey Jones being able to take down four of shredders goons (including the robots) so easily in the last episode. oy

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Krang Prime was all but forgotten and not even really needed, probably because Rossanne was too expensive, and created just as an excuse to have her on..

This is all utterly wrong. They bring up Kraang Prime when they have big Kraang finale episodes.

It hasn't been "forgotten."

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

We're never going to see that girl again, so she doesn't matter. Also, she's a little kid with a bright imagination.

We see her a few times since then but not in a speaking role. And according to the TMNT adventures comic apparently, her name is Chloe. She's normally shown standing and holding her teddy bear Ruffles Bearington and crying during disaster scenes such as in Rats and Men or the Invasion when she is saved by the Pizza Guy. She is also one of the First humans being sucked into the black hole during A.E.

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

So? Newtralizer and Sal are different people. Handshakes to humans can be for meeting, greeting, parting, offering congratulations, expressing gratitude, or completing an agreement.

Also, Neutralizer has been taking out the Kraang on Earth while Sal Commander and Mona Lisa haven't been to Earth ever. So Neutralizer would have learned through observation offering one hand to someone is not an affront on Earth. Where as with Leo offering his hand was a just cultural gaffe that leads to an unfortunate misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Optimus Primer

You can't predict the future. They didn't know they wanted it to be Alopex at first.

I recall someone on the Drome asking Auman about the story in Tiger Claws debut episode. And Auman responded with "How do you know Tiger Claw wasn't lying?"

That would make some sense as TC is known as the most feared assassin in Asia. How does
"My tail was stolen from me by my younger sister." make "Most feared assassin" sound marketable.

[TMNTInsighter]

You were really fishing there victory_angel with the whole time thing. Not to mention that Gargoyles (a great series compared to this good series) not only did a good job of establishing their rules for time travel, they also followed those rules the best of any series out there. This series, not even close. You can't compare this series to that one, that's not fair.

Also, Vegita-San's right, there's no excuse for the whole Tiger Claw-Alopex situation. Nor the whole handshake screwup b/w Newtralizer and Sal I might add.

One more thing victory, that was me who asked that question to Brandon on Instagram. His response is a load of bull! He made a mistake and he's not going to admit it. Not only did Tiger Claw give no indication that he was lying nor has he shown to have any history of misogynism or disrespect towards female fighters in this series. Plus, given how good we've seen some female fighters in this series, it's not that tough a stretch to imagine a female warrior capable of going toe to toe with someone, even of TC's stature. So yeah, I'm gonna say it; Tiger Claw's not the liar, it's Brandon.

[TMNTInsighter]

It's still bad continuity and/or cheating. Last time I checked, there's no excuse for that. You make mistakes, even serious ones like that, you've gotta be able to take the hits.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I don't know if it's just how badly this show is being aired, or how bad the episodes are at the moment, but I just ain't feeling this show at the moment. Would not be surprised, if it gets cancelled ( I personally hope not). They need to move away from this lame April story line and focus on the turtles and some interesting stories.

[TMNTInsighter]

I'm not taking anything out on you tinker or anyone else. I was just pointing out the instances that prove my point. I have no idea where you're getting the thought that I'm harassing someone.

And yeah, no show/movie/etc. is perfect in terms of continuity even those that are renowned for it. This is still a really good action cartoon series, perhaps the best on TV right now, at least until Young Justice returns. I'm just saying that not a lot of them are this obvious that they gotta take some criticism for a lack of attention to detail.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by Unworthy tinker

Okay, 1. I'm aware that you were pointing out an inconsistency, it's just that you seem to kinda just shoot down any other idea. I'm not saying you have harassed anyone, just that I don't want it to get to that. 2. What's this about Young Justice returning?

What? You haven't heard? It's coming back! Check the web/news, you'll see.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

It's still bad continuity and/or cheating. Last time I checked, there's no excuse for that. You make mistakes, even serious ones like that, you've gotta be able to take the hits.

You have to actually remember the things you're complaining about to actually notice. I completely forgot about the handshake thing. Guess the detail wasn't important enough to remember and didn't significantly affect the overall general plot for me to be concerned I guess...

Inconsistencies are common in long running stories. They probably hadn't thought two seasons ahead when coming up with the Newtralizer.

Hey look at the Brady Bunch. They had a cat and a dog first season. Both just disappeared and they kept the doghouse. Or how about Happy Days and Family Matters? Both shows had a sibling vanish while the other characters act as if they never existed. So yeah...

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

I don't know if it's just how badly this show is being aired, or how bad the episodes are at the moment, but I just ain't feeling this show at the moment. Would not be surprised, if it gets cancelled ( I personally hope not). They need to move away from this lame April story line and focus on the turtles and some interesting stories.

You mean like they're doing in general?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

I don't know if it's just how badly this show is being aired, or how bad the episodes are at the moment, but I just ain't feeling this show at the moment. Would not be surprised, if it gets cancelled ( I personally hope not). They need to move away from this lame April story line and focus on the turtles and some interesting stories.

The April storyline lasted a grand total of 1 episode, plus a few foreshadowing episodes before this. You're acting like the entire season focuses on her, its not.

And I don't see what you mean by "how bad the episodes are at the moment." The two Super Shredder episodes were great and the April episode was good too. Before that we had some fun episodes with Wingnut/Screwloose and Baxter/Scumbug/Antrax, and Bebop/Rocksteady and Shinigami's debut.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The April storyline lasted a grand total of 1 episode, plus a few foreshadowing episodes before this. You're acting like the entire season focuses on her, its not.

And I don't see what you mean by "how bad the episodes are at the moment." The two Super Shredder episodes were great and the April episode was good too. Before that we had some fun episodes with Wingnut/Screwloose and Baxter/Scumbug/Antrax, and Bebop/Rocksteady and Shinigami's debut.

I think I am being hard on it, but it's hard to get i to this show, with the sh*t airing schedule. They do need to move away from April and Casey, and put more air time on the 4 turtles.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

I think I am being hard on it, but it's hard to get i to this show, with the sh*t airing schedule. They do need to move away from April and Casey, and put more air time on the 4 turtles.

But the show rarely focuses on Casey. He's friends with them. He fights with them. How is that devoting a lot of time to him. April too at this point. It's still the Turtles' show.

Yeah, I agree that you are being too hard on the series because of the airing schedule.

[CyberCubed]

I get the weird feeling Super Shredder is going to mutate into a 50 foot tall monster or something. I kinda hope not, but I don't see any other way for them to raise the stakes after the first Super Shredder encounter. They can't just repeat that again for the finale, it'd be stale.

[TMNTInsighter]

Originally Posted by TheBlueTurtle1

I think I am being hard on it, but it's hard to get i to this show, with the sh*t airing schedule. They do need to move away from April and Casey, and put more air time on the 4 turtles.

You're right about the first part but way off on the second part. This show has not catered to April and Casey, Casey most of all.

[neatoman]

Maybe they can modify the Armaggon model for Shredder?

[CyberCubed]

Well given Armaggon exists in this show as a space bounty hunter, I doubt it.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well given Armaggon exists in this show as a space bounty hunter, I doubt it.

No, I mean they could take the character model for Armaggon, remove the robotic casing, add tentacles, add the helmet-brow-thingy and say it's Shredder's new mutant form.

You know, like what they've already done on a few occasions:

Spoiler:

[CyberCubed]

Well, still no reason for Shredder to turn into anything shark related.

[Dust]

Why would they turn Shredder into a shark? There's no reason for it and it wouldn't make sense.