Have you accepted the show probably won't continue after season 5?

[shredder orokusaki]

The reason we decided to end the series on season 5 is because we have already begun working on the next series that will be made on 4k resolution with 4k assets( 4k textures 4kspescial effects e.t.c). And it will be at 60 fps. But as you know for 4k with 4k assets and 60 fps you need a very high end pc that most people still dont have. We want to give enough time for people to upgrade their pc's so they can enjoy my new adventures the best way possible. For that we are targetting a late 2018 release or early 2019 since by then evryone will have their pc's upgraded and will be powerful enough for 4k 60 fps.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by TheJ-manTurtleMan

Just a thought, but it kind of makes a little bit of sense that they would end on this season. If we assume that each season is a year in the Turtles lives, they would be 20years old right? Technically not teenagers anymore. Perhaps the season will end with someone acknowledging that.

Nah, not quite. By my count the guys are currently 17 coming up on 18.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You mean the fact that people still watch and talk about it to this day? What kind of "fanbase" are you talking about when most hardcore TMNT fans liked and followed the show?

They don't. People in this forum do not count. It's a tmnt forum so of course we'd discuss every part of the franchise with great detail. Actually leave your house and the people outside have completely forgotten about or never heard of the 2k3 show.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

They don't. People in this forum do not count. It's a tmnt forum so of course we'd discuss every part of the franchise with great detail. Actually leave your house and the people outside have completely forgotten about or never heard of the 2k3 show.

Actually people on Twitter, Tumblr ect talk about the 2K3 show and the 80s show.

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

You mean the fact that people still watch and talk about it to this day? What kind of "fanbase" are you talking about when most hardcore TMNT fans liked and followed the show?

Well, everything has its fans. I guess I was referring to the the cartoon-watching audience in general. Within the TMNT fanbase, the 2003 show might be big (there are a lot of vocal fans here, certainly), but has it cemented itself outside the TMNT fanbase the way the '80s cartoon did and the Nick show seems to have? I don't think so. My guess is that it's not the big deal that its supporters think it is (but that's hard to say since we're usually looking at a cross section that's more inclined to like it.)

(I don't know, is it even that big a deal among the TMNT fanbase? I'm a TMNT fan and, to be honest, I think it's easily the weakest cartoon installment to date; IMHO, there's nothing in it that it did better that the '80s or Nick cartoons.)

FYI, this is all IMHO; I'm just thinking out loud. And also, for full disclosure, I've seen some of the 2003 show and it's not bad -- there's some good stuff there -- I'm just of the opinion that it didn't reach the heights that some of the other stuff in the franchise did.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Well, everything has its fans. I guess I was referring to the the cartoon-watching audience in general. Within the TMNT fanbase, the 2003 show might be big (there are a lot of vocal fans here, certainly), but has it cemented itself outside the TMNT fanbase the way the '80s cartoon did and the Nick show seems to have? I don't think so.

It was literally the first new TMNT cartoon and came out in the early 2000's when most of the original fans were adults. That being said if you look up the ratings for the 2k3 series when it aired, its basically barely any different than the Nick cartoon now.

(I don't know, is it even that big a deal among the TMNT fanbase? I'm a TMNT fan and, to be honest, I think it's easily the weakest cartoon installment to date; IMHO, there's nothing in it that it did better that the '80s or Nick cartoons.)

This is generally odd, since most people consider the 2k3 series to overall be the best written TMNT cartoon, at least until the last two seasons. I love the original cartoon and also enjoy the Nick cartoon quite a bit, but if we're talking overall writing/action/plots....2k3 has them all beat.

What makes you think its weak? Most of the big arcs were developed from Mirage plotlines and it had several new and well done concepts. The fillers could be hit or miss, but the bulk of it had great action and story arc.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It was literally the first new TMNT cartoon and came out in the early 2000's when most of the original fans were adults. That being said if you look up the ratings for the 2k3 series when it aired, its basically barely any different than the Nick cartoon now.

You keep bringing up the 2k3 ratings being low. It didn't do well? Then prove it Cubed. To take a quote out of your book, "I'm not going to waste my time looking up ratings, I'm busy."

This is generally odd, since most people consider the 2k3 series to overall be the best written TMNT cartoon, at least until the last two seasons. I love the original cartoon and also enjoy the Nick cartoon quite a bit, but if we're talking overall writing/action/plots....2k3 has them all beat. What makes you think its weak? Most of the big arcs were developed from Mirage plotlines and it had several new and well done concepts. The fillers could be hit or miss, but the bulk of it had great action and story arc.

When the 2k3 series did original material, it was damn good. The stories with Bishop and Hun, Good Genes, and the Battle Nexus. That I agree on.

However, the Mirage adaptations are a mixed bag I feel. While stories such as I, Monster were solid in 2k3, others were heavily restricted due to story placement or had changes to meet standards of the time. City at War and is the big example I feel. While I understand it to be somewhat difficult to adapt all the material from it, but overall it wasn't spectacular.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

You keep bringing up the 2k3 ratings being low. It didn't do well? Then prove it Cubed. To take a quote out of your book, "I'm not going to waste my time looking up ratings, I'm busy."

I remember the ratings for the 2k3 episodes averaged around 1-2 million viewers, basically the same ratings the Nick cartoon has been getting for the last two seasons.

When the 2k3 series did original material, it was damn good. The stories with Bishop and Hun, Good Genes, and the Battle Nexus. That I agree on.

However, the Mirage adaptations are a mixed bag I feel. While stories such as I, Monster were solid in 2k3, others were heavily restricted due to story placement or had changes to meet standards of the time. City at War and is the big example I feel. While I understand it to be somewhat difficult to adapt all the material from it, but overall it wasn't spectacular.

Aside from that, all the Mirage adaptions were either fine for the universe or even improved upon.

[plastroncafe]

[CyberCubed]

The 2k3 series aired from 2003-2006 in its first few seasons, I have no idea where to find archived ratings for a show from over a decade ago. I'm just saying people used to post ratings here on the forums, you can probably find the old threads in the 2k3 forum.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

In the latest episode of a Podcast called Turtle Flakes, They interviewed Isaac Elliot-Fisher about Turtle Power Vol. 1 and 2, and he mentions that the show will end after it's 5th season, It's right at the 57:38 mark.
https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/t...15_54_32-08_00

By the way, should the title of this thread be changed now?

[AlessandraDC]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

I think it's too early to tell what kind of legacy TMNT 2012 will have, but I have gathered that it's made more impact while running than TMNT 2003 did.

But, did the 2003 show have a substantial post-following, though? It hasn't really carried on the way things like Star Trek: TOS or Firefly did, and, while some things it did have carried on, it's not really had the same level of impact that the other shows have had, nor does there seem to be the same fanbase for it that the others have.

(I know that there is a following here who complain about the lack of DVD releases for 2003, but given what I know of the show's reception, I'm not sure there's the market for it that the fanbase believes exists).



Umm, there has been some plot holes and dropped ideas along the lines. For example, the early seasons established that the Kraang needed April in order to mutate Earth, but changed why (the first explanation was that they needed her hooked up to a machine because the needed her mind, or something, then later, they needed her DNA to perfect the mutagen). Then, suddenly, by the end of season two, the Kraang managed to finish the mutagen without April or her DNA, with no explanation as to why the didn't need her.

Others on the thread have pointed out that Mutagen Man mostly vanished from the show after he was frozen. Now, a few offhand comments and scenes do establish that he's in the lab, but the plot idea that he could've helped with creating retromutagen was forgotten right after it was dropped.

The find the mutagen plot early in season two fizzled out with no clear resolution. Spider Bytez, Snakeweed, and Neutralizer were very underused. Karai's mutation (why retromutagen didn't work and how Stockman stabilized her) were not explained at all.

If you want a really silly example, in season one's "Parasitica," the Turtles get and keep a working centrifuge from a Kraang lab, but later, in "Mikey Gets Shellacne," the Turtles have never had a centrifuge and need to find one.

Look, TMNT 2012 is my favorite of all the franchise's incarnations, but it has had it's weak spots and stuff that was abandoned.

Just talking about the legacy of the show... this is the first one that people like me (who grew up watching the 80s tmnt) have shared with their kids. My daughter and I watch every episode together. So I think it's pretty significant you have two generations watching the show.

[snake]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The 2k3 series aired from 2003-2006 in its first few seasons, I have no idea where to find archived ratings for a show from over a decade ago. I'm just saying people used to post ratings here on the forums, you can probably find the old threads in the 2k3 forum.

Why don't you find them?

[CyberCubed]

Because they're buried. You're talking about threads made literally over a decade ago.

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It was literally the first new TMNT cartoon and came out in the early 2000's when most of the original fans were adults. That being said if you look up the ratings for the 2k3 series when it aired, its basically barely any different than the Nick cartoon now.

Huh.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This is generally odd, since most people consider the 2k3 series to overall be the best written TMNT cartoon, at least until the last two seasons. I love the original cartoon and also enjoy the Nick cartoon quite a bit, but if we're talking overall writing/action/plots....2k3 has them all beat.

I suppose comparing the 2k3 show to the '80s one doesn't really work, since they're very different shows (although I've found that the '80s one is more enjoyable).

As far as action goes, there's no way that 2k3 beats the Nick show; the latter has far more fluid animation, more creative setups, and has been able to go to darker places.

(Also, IMHO, 2k3 has one of the weakest characterizations of Shredder ever created and returning to the "Splinter is not Hamato Yoshi" premise didn't help.)

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What makes you think its weak? Most of the big arcs were developed from Mirage plotlines and it had several new and well done concepts. The fillers could be hit or miss, but the bulk of it had great action and story arc.

Adapting Mirage stories and premises doesn't automatically make for a good story (in fact, I'd argue that Splinter's Mirage backstory is much weaker than the '80s/Nick one).

Now, to be fair, much of the stuff that bugs me (stiff animation, flat voice acting, lack of the '80s elements) are on the more subjective side, and I'm not arguing that 2k3 is a bad show (it's not). It's just that I've found that Nick offers a show with similar, if not better, level of storytelling in a more polished package. It's also my subjective opinion that 2k3 has far less re-watchability and doesn't have the sense of fun that the others do.

Originally Posted by AlessandraDC

Just talking about the legacy of the show... this is the first one that people like me (who grew up watching the 80s tmnt) have shared with their kids. My daughter and I watch every episode together. So I think it's pretty significant you have two generations watching the show.

You could say the same about the Nick show, or any future shows for that matter (excusing it to be the first). Also, my point is of the three shows, 2k3 seems to have had the least impact on the mainstream audiences.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Huh.
As far as action goes, there's no way that 2k3 beats the Nick show; the latter has far more fluid animation, more creative setups, and has been able to go to darker places.

The Nick show does have some great action scenes, but many of 2k3's big fights were fantastic, especially the Foot Clan fights, many of the fights against Shredder, and the fights with Bishop in Season 3. Watch "Hun on the Run" specificially, you see the Turtles, Karai and Hun all fight Bishop at the same time and its great.

Adapting Mirage stories and premises doesn't automatically make for a good story (in fact, I'd argue that Splinter's Mirage backstory is much weaker than the '80s/Nick one).

In the 2k3 universe, its implied Splinter is not just an ordinary rat. He was shown in a Battle Nexus statue on Hamato Yoshi's shoulder.

Now, to be fair, much of the stuff that bugs me (stiff animation, flat voice acting, lack of the '80s elements) are on the more subjective side, and I'm not arguing that 2k3 is a bad show (it's not). It's just that I've found that Nick offers a show with similar, if not better, level of storytelling in a more polished package. It's also my subjective opinion that 2k3 has far less re-watchability and doesn't have the sense of fun that the others do.

I think the VA for the main cast in 2k3 was quite good. As for rewatchability, I've already marathoned through the show 5 times, and likely will watch it again for many years to come.

[neatoman]

Honestly, while making Splinter and Hamato Yoshi the same character might make the "How does a rat know martial arts?" thing seem slightly more believable, I'm not a fan of humans turning into mutants. All that does is invite the notion that the ooze can be used for whatever the plot calls for, it's nothing but a gateway to throwing rules of concepts out of window, better to keep consistency rather than ending up with idiotic crap like Pizza Face.

Speaking of which, let's throw Dimension X in the bin where it belongs while we're at it. Literally nothing important would change if the aliens just came from space, Dimension X is an unecessary complication.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Speaking of which, let's throw Dimension X in the bin where it belongs while we're at it. Literally nothing important would change if the aliens just came from space, Dimension X is an unecessary complication.

Dimension X is a nicer name than just "outer space."

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Dimension X is a nicer name than just "outer space."

It's a generic name (I mean seriously, "Dimension X"? It's the name of a 50's radio show) for an inconsistent and pointless concept, an alternate plane of existance that you can somehow travel to with spacecraft and there's usually nothing distinguishing it from the regular universe. I'll give the Nick cartoon some credit for turning it into a place of bizarre physics, but then most of the aliens just ended up being from outer space anyway.

[AlessandraDC]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

Huh.



I suppose comparing the 2k3 show to the '80s one doesn't really work, since they're very different shows (although I've found that the '80s one is more enjoyable).

As far as action goes, there's no way that 2k3 beats the Nick show; the latter has far more fluid animation, more creative setups, and has been able to go to darker places.

(Also, IMHO, 2k3 has one of the weakest characterizations of Shredder ever created and returning to the "Splinter is not Hamato Yoshi" premise didn't help.)



Adapting Mirage stories and premises doesn't automatically make for a good story (in fact, I'd argue that Splinter's Mirage backstory is much weaker than the '80s/Nick one).

Now, to be fair, much of the stuff that bugs me (stiff animation, flat voice acting, lack of the '80s elements) are on the more subjective side, and I'm not arguing that 2k3 is a bad show (it's not). It's just that I've found that Nick offers a show with similar, if not better, level of storytelling in a more polished package. It's also my subjective opinion that 2k3 has far less re-watchability and doesn't have the sense of fun that the others do.



You could say the same about the Nick show, or any future shows for that matter (excusing it to be the first). Also, my point is of the three shows, 2k3 seems to have had the least impact on the mainstream audiences.

I should have specified... I was talking about the Nick show. XD