Is Mondo Gecko unnecessary?

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

you're not allowed to do that to women characters these days. femenists are taking over.

so, it's all one sided where male characters get to be ditzes now. When before, both sexes got their fair share of idiots. From Shaggy to Daphne in the original scooby doo onward.

Yes, millenials, I just said something true you would deem negative. cry to someone who cares

First off, stop multi-posting, you've been here longer than most of us. It's mundane.

Second off, cut the sexuality bs. Shaggy and Daphne have been portrayed better in the first few animated films (Zombie Island to Cyber Chase) in addition to Mystery Incorporated in comparison to yesteryears. Also, even if I don't fully agree with him at times, Greg provided counters of characters to your point. I can list other examples, but I'm not going to waste my breath.
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Topic at hand though... Mondo is kinda middling. I mean, the design is fine and Robbie Rist is enjoyable as the character. The problem though is in the writing. I'd have no problem with Mondo needing training in Mutant Gangland especially after Annihilation: Earth! where he got his butt whipped badly. However, he's just treated as a joke. I have no problem with it, but I would like to see him get better instead of him being primarily a nostalgia bomb, both for FW fans and the movie trilogy.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What does that have to do with anything? Nick's Bishop isn't an antagonist looking to capture mutants/aliens like 4kids, of course he's not going to be in tons of episodes. He's relevant to Kraang episodes, and I'm sure there will be more.

My point is that they don't really do anything with Bishop and they pretty much introduce him in the worst possible time(especially since season 5 is going to be more mystic focused).

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

My point is that they don't really do anything with Bishop and they pretty much introduce him in the worst possible time(especially since season 5 is going to be more mystic focused).

They introduced him during the Kraang subplot in Season 3, and he appeared again during Season 4. We'll likely see him again when the Kraang subplot ends for good.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Yep.. you're right. forgot about her.

Not saying you HAVE to have one in the show. but based on the logic in the last post... most female characters these days don't DARE to be klutzy or stupid. they have tend to be more girl power y.

That's what you get with tokenism. That one character has to be everything.
The alternative would be to add more female characters, but...we can't do that.

It doesn't sell enough dolls.

[Utrommaniac]

Which likely isn't nearly enough for a big name character like Bishop. He's been taken from bad@$$ mutant-alien hunter with a terrible history, to just "mysterious bad@$$ in a nifty suit".

It seems to be the case that they rehash old characters "because they have to". Having an Utrom-Kraang debacle mixed in with everything else they're dealing with is just clutter, especially after it's been shoved aside for a while. And that show has a lot of clutter. Once Shredder's out of the way, they'll probably return focus to the Kraang.

[WebLurker]

To the original point:

While I will concede that I'm not familiar with other versions of Mondo, I do like Nick's version. Not sure if he'd be able to hold up his own episode, but I think he works as a supporting character. At any rate, I think I like him better as the comic relief member of the Mutanimals than Pigeon Pete.

Now, I never really disliked Pete and wish that the character hadn't been dropped, since so few of Nick's original characters seem to stay around long or get overshadowed, and wanted more explanation behind his absence beyond "we don't talk about it," but as a character, Mondo is more interesting and funnier, IMHO.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by WebLurker

To the original point:

While I will concede that I'm not familiar with other versions of Mondo, I do like Nick's version. Not sure if he'd be able to hold up his own episode, but I think he works as a supporting character. At any rate, I think I like him better as the comic relief member of the Mutanimals than Pigeon Pete.

Now, I never really disliked Pete and wish that the character hadn't been dropped, since so few of Nick's original characters seem to stay around long or get overshadowed, and wanted more explanation behind his absence beyond "we don't talk about it," but as a character, Mondo is more interesting and funnier, IMHO.

You'd probably like Pete in IDW I do find his weird bumbling stupidity funny there. Especially this gem

[CyberCubed]

Pigeon Pete is supposed to be comic relief. He's like that in IDW too, so I don't see people complaining about him being "pointless."

[Aaronardo]

There's a large difference between Pidgeon Pete and Mondo Gecko in this series.

Pete is well-written comic relief.

Mondo is not.

Pretty simple at that. If Mondo was written well I wouldn't have any problem with him, three-dimensional character or one-dimensional comic relief.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What does that have to do with anything? Nick's Bishop isn't an antagonist looking to capture mutants/aliens like 4kids, of course he's not going to be in tons of episodes. He's relevant to Kraang episodes, and I'm sure there will be more.

Wow, you are amazing at missing the point. The point they're making is that both Bishop and Hun are major players in the 2003 show, I'm Bishop's case he's basically the main villain in Shredder's absence, and now they're both reduced to having bit parts.

[ToTheNines]

If Mondo wasn't voiced by Rist, he'd be intolerable.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Wow, you are amazing at missing the point. The point they're making is that both Bishop and Hun are major players in the 2003 show, I'm Bishop's case he's basically the main villain in Shredder's absence, and now they're both reduced to having bit parts.

And you're again comparing characters from a completely different series with different roles. I could just as easily say Rat King was screwed over in 4kids because he only really appeared for 1 measly episode. A character as important as him and 4kids introduced him far too late and only gave him 1 real episode.

Most characters in 4kids outside the main villains only have a handful of appearances like Rat King, Nano, Garbageman, Quarry, Evil turtlebot, Angel, all those one-shot humans like Abigail finn and those Texans, the mob, etc.

You guys are criticizing the Nick show for doing the same thing any other Turtle show does.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

If Mondo wasn't voiced by Rist, he'd be intolerable.

Which is funny, because Mikey on this show would be intolerable if not for the voice talents of Cipes.

[CyberCubed]

Well technically in any show, voice acting makes or breaks a character. This is true for anything I've watched.

Some characters who would otherwise be annoying wind up being hilarious due to the voice acting and how well they're portrayed.

[TMNTInsighter]

picasso, Jeph, Aaronardo, even Nines are right. While I liked him, at least for the most part, in his debut episode and don't think he's completely unnecessary he was an absolute disaster in "Mutant Gangland". Not only was Pete's absence and Mondo's taking over that role not well handled, they were trying way too hard with his character--possibly to justify the move from Pete to him, but when you try as hard as they did in terms of comic relief (for that one episode at least) you run the risk of making that character forced, annoying, and tiresome. Still, it speaks to Rist's ability that he never makes Mondo boring (therefore the tiresome part didn't enter my mind at least).
And granted there wasn't that much more to Pete but there seemed to be quite a bit of potential. Slash's support and care towards him suggested that, and Pete was a character who seemingly did what he could to be a part of the team even with what little skills he had. I'm sure his departure had something to do with his VA wanting to go elsewhere, studio conflicts, or something like that but it's still kinda sad that he pretty much went away without a trace.

[CyberCubed]

I severely doubt Pete's VA is the reason he didn't appear in the last ep. They can only use a certain amount of voices per episode and he was irrelevant to that particular ep

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

even Nines

Go marry your cousin.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And you're again comparing characters from a completely different series with different roles. I could just as easily say Rat King was screwed over in 4kids because he only really appeared for 1 measly episode. A character as important as him and 4kids introduced him far too late and only gave him 1 real episode.

Most characters in 4kids outside the main villains only have a handful of appearances like Rat King, Nano, Garbageman, Quarry, Evil turtlebot, Angel, all those one-shot humans like Abigail finn and those Texans, the mob, etc.

You guys are criticizing the Nick show for doing the same thing any other Turtle show does.

I agree with rat king, one character that the 4kids show screwed up on. But just because they screwed up doesn't mean future shows have to purposely screw up the same way.

And um... other than Rat King, none of those people you listed from the 4kids show matter and don't really NEED to be in the 2012 show.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most characters in 4kids outside the main villains only have a handful of appearances like Rat King, Nano, Garbageman, Quarry, Evil turtlebot, Angel, all those one-shot humans like Abigail finn and those Texans, the mob, etc.

Okay nobody is saying that the 2k3 incarnation never had any one off villians and nobody is giving the 2k12 version crap for the one off villains. The reason(or one of the reasons) why we are giving the 2k12 crap is because the 2k3 characters(who were major players in their own respective series) only appear in single digit episodes. So with the exception of the Rat King those characters were D class supporting characters who weren't major players

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Okay nobody is saying that the 2k3 incarnation never had any one off villians and nobody is giving the 2k12 version crap for the one off villains. The reason(or one of the reasons) why we are giving the 2k12 crap is because the 2k3 characters(who were major players in their own respective series) only appear in single digit episodes. So with the exception of the Rat King those characters were D class supporting characters who weren't major players

So then what's the point? Just because Hun and Bishop were major villains in one particular show doesn't mean they have to be in this one. Your argument is they're not the same? Bishop isn't even an antagonist in this show so its completely different.

I fail to see the logic here. There's no rule in certain characters have to be used more than others. Leatherhead didn't even appear in IDW for over 50 issues and nobody is making a big deal out of it when he's a major character introduced early in every other incarnation.