Cylons' Thoughts on the DCEU

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-13-2016, 10:05 PM

With the Deadshot and Sirens announcements, I thought, "what the hell, let's look at the grand scheme of things here."

Current State of the DCEU

Man of Steel (2013) A-
Pa Kent was terribly written, but other than that, damn good movie. You haters don't know what you want, except for the fact that you want Supes wearing those ridiculous red panties.

Batman V Superman (2016) B-/C+
Damn you, Jesse Eisenberg; you ruined Lex Luthor. Wonder Woman and Batman were great, but Batman really shouldn't have been a murdering psychopath. "Martha" was a bad idea. And Superman just really deserved to have a standalone sequel, because none of you cared about him in this movie. (Oh, and Lex's plan was overcomplicated BS.)

Suicide Squad (2016) B-/C+
Another damn sky portal showdown. Enchantress was delightfully creepy; Deadshot, Waller, Harley, Boomerang, Croc, El Diablo... hell, EVERYONE in this movie was great. But we didn't need Katana. And Joker was terribly shoehorned in. Great cast, pretty poor story.

Wonder Woman
Hopefully it'll be great. Gal and Chris will both be highly praised, there will be at least one highly divisive element (whether plot point or character), but for the most part, I think it'll be the most successful DC movie to rival or surpass MoS.

Justice League
No matter what, at this point, it's going to be as good or as bad as BvS was. Gal, Ben, and Cavill will be great; Momoa will be a surprisingly great part of the movie. Flash's SFX will be great, the character not so much. Cyborg will suck. The villain will suck. Superman's return will probably be botched.

The Flash
I'll be astonished if this film ever actually makes it to the big screen. It's still vastly unnecessary (thanks, CW!), Ezra Miller is still "eh", and no director wants to touch it. The SFX will probably be awesome, the story will feel abhorently redundant (thanks, CW!), and if it DOES happen, it will do no better than the 2011 Green Lantern. Close to a flop, I'm sure.

Aquaman
It'll happen, it'll be a little weird, and the effects will hopefully be amazing. Diehard Aquaman fans (if there are such a thing) will hate it because of Momoa's visual portrayal, but I think this movie will be good.

Shazam
Again, this film is never actually going to make it to the big screen. Don't make me laugh; it's not even connected to the DCEU proper. Dwayne Johnson will star in this like Vin Diesel will star in the MCU "Inhumans" movie. Never.

Cyborg
This isn't happening. Ever. No matter what they say, Cyborg will be the Hulk of the JL lineup, except Universal never made a movie before the big team-up movie. Sorry, Vic... you lose. We wanted Martian Manhunter instead.

Green Lantern Corps
If this movie ever happens, it'll be like Suicide Squad. Somebody wanted to do a good movie and there was a lot of potential, but the studio's lack of faith (thanks, 2011 GL) will end up causing a lot of problems. Reshoots, sloppy script, etc. The acting will be great, the story not so much.

The Batman
IF Ben Affleck ever does confirm he's actually working on it, it'll be pretty good. I'm personally still pissed we're not getting the Court of Owls or Hush or Red Hood or anything other than Deathstroke, though. Manu Bennett was enough for me, I want someone new on the big screen. Also, it won't actually have ANY of the Robins or Batgirls, not even Oracle, so I'll be REALLY pissed off. Even more pissed off. Enraged, actually.

Justice League Dark
Yeah, this isn't happening either. Del Toro wanted to make it, isn't that enough of a clue? Never happen.

Deadshot
A Batman/Deadshot team-up, if they can convince Affleck to do it. People will go see it because Will Smith (who was great)... but seriously, we don't need this movie. For that reason, it just might get made.

Gotham City Sirens
It COULD be good. I have Aquaman/WonderWoman levels of optimism for this. The casting will be quality, I'm sure, but the script could be bad. Also, we haven't had a great menacing memorable DC villain since Zod, so that's a concern as well...

Justice League 2
IF the DCEU survives long enough for a sequel, this movie will be better than the first. It will have to be, because JL1 is going to be crucified. But I wouldn't bet your kids' college education savings on it.

Lobo
Hell, a Cyborg movie will happen first.

Man of Steel 2
THIS movie deserves to be made but won't. Cavill deserves a chance to star in a sequel that can hopefully bring in some of you MoS-hating Superman fans, because he's a damn good actor. It will hopefully improve Lex Luthor's abysmal performance (damn you, Jesse Eisenberg) and bring in Brainiac. WE DESERVE THIS MOVIE. So we probably won't get it. Because we don't get nice things.

Suicide Squad 2
It'll be better than the first, I'm hopeful. Hopefully they'll also do a better job of living up to the nature of the story, i.e., let's see some more shocking deaths! The animated film "Assault on Arkham" killed off heavy-hitters like King Shark and Killer Frost, and the cinematic version only killed off Slipknot!?

*plastroncafe* · 12-13-2016, 10:13 PM

I know exactly what I wanted from Man of Steel: to have been in another theater watching just about anything else.

*PApagreg* · 12-13-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

With the Deadshot and Sirens announcements, I thought, "what the hell, let's look at the grand scheme of things here."

Current State of the DCEU

Man of Steel (2013) A-
Pa Kent was terribly written, but other than that, damn good movie. You haters don't know what you want, except for the fact that you want Supes wearing those ridiculous red panties.

Hey man those bad boys aren't ridiculous

*ProactiveMan* · 12-13-2016, 11:21 PM

I didn't like Man of Steel at all, but I saw it again about a month ago and I kind of warmed up to it. I have no idea why - maybe I knew what to expect this time so I was able to pay more attention to the plot or something. It's not that bad; some of it's pretty good.

*CyberCubed* · 12-14-2016, 12:03 AM

I'm surprised you rated the first two movies so high, I expected them to be more in the C+ range.

*DestronMirage22* · 12-14-2016, 12:04 AM

I agree with almost everything you said, Cylon. Except for Suicide Squad, which I haven't seen, and MoS, which I hate (since I hate Superman).

*Krutch* · 12-14-2016, 07:11 AM

Man of Steel was 98 percent trash. Only redeeming things were a couple Hans Zimmer tracks. Nothing else.

Which reminds me, I really should get back to editing my 2 hour doc deconstructing all the flaws of the film...

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 12-14-2016, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Krutch

Man of Steel was 98 percent trash. Only redeeming things were a couple Hans Zimmer tracks. Nothing else.

Lol, I don't even think Zimmer had much of a hand in the best track of the film. Andrew Kawczynski wrote the cue for when Lois and Supes are escaping the ship.

Of course Zimmer's theme is used but I think Kawczynski is the one who wrote it.

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

The Flash
I'll be astonished if this film ever actually makes it to the big screen.

Shazam
Again, this film is never actually going to make it to the big screen.

Ditto. I don't understand why they revealed their film schedule so early. You really shouldn't tell everyone your plans up to 2020 when in 2014 you're on very shaky ground. When these two films are (almost) inevitably pulled from production, WB and DC will look like complete fools for not being able to handle starting a cinematic universe. And then people will have even less faith in their abilities. It's like the guy at Sony who said that they would make a Women Ghostbusters 2: it's not going to happen, the company will look like idiots when it doesn't, and it's not worth the 15 minutes of good publicity directly following the announcement.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-14-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised you rated the first two movies so high, I expected them to be more in the C+ range.

I did rate BvS a low B/high C... mainly for the cast. I frickin' loved Man of Steel.

Basically, at this point, it's painfully obvious that the DCEU is never going to succeed. It's too reactionary, jumping from one thing to another.

Marvel laid out their Phase 1 plans, did it, laid out their Phase 2 plans, did it, laid out their Phase 3 plans, and are doing it.

The only changes they've made to their slate is removing "Inhumans" (which was a Perlmutter movie being foisted onto Feige) and bumping movies down the road to make room for new movies that were successes like a sequel to "Antman."

I love DC's characters better than Marvel's, but at this rate, it's not going to be pretty.

*TurtleTitan97* · 12-14-2016, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

With the Deadshot and Sirens announcements, I thought, "what the hell, let's look at the grand scheme of things here."

Current State of the DCEU

Man of Steel (2013) A-
Pa Kent was terribly written, but other than that, damn good movie. You haters don't know what you want, except for the fact that you want Supes wearing those ridiculous red panties.

Guess we gotta agree to disagree.

I'm still not a fan of Amy Adams portrayal of Lois Lane, and BvS certainly didn't help to change my mind. IDK, personality wise, it feels like the DCEU Lois is lacking the "edge" the character has had for years when looking at past versions.

Also, the final battle between Zod and Supes should have featured Clark saving more civilians instead of having the two of them crashing back and forth in between buildings.

*THGhost* · 12-14-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

The Batman
IF Ben Affleck ever does confirm he's actually working on it, it'll be pretty good.

He is indeed.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-14-2016, 11:27 AM

All of that sounds about right to me. And I'm still betting Jesse Eisenberg will quietly go away and never be seen/heard of/mentioned again when Papa Luthor comes back to roost. They did give themselves that backdoor and at this point they probably know they need to use it.

Hopefully they can talk Joaquin Phoenix into it fully this time.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-14-2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

All of that sounds about right to me. And I'm still betting Jesse Eisenberg will quietly go away and never be seen/heard of/mentioned again when Papa Luthor comes back to roost. They did give themselves that backdoor and at this point they probably know they need to use it.

Hopefully they can talk Joaquin Phoenix into it fully this time.

http://orig14.deviantart.net/8cc6/f/...ms-d6yhq4a.png

One can only hope.

I still say Karl Urban would be a kick-ass Luthor.

*plastroncafe* · 12-14-2016, 01:34 PM

Karl Urban is a kick-ass EVERYTHING.
(that...that right there, might get me to see another movie in this universe. If somehow Karl Urban wound up cast in it.)

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-14-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Karl Urban is a kick-ass EVERYTHING.
(that...that right there, might get me to see another movie in this universe. If somehow Karl Urban wound up cast in it.)

Dredd, Éomer, Bones McCoy, Agent Cooper from RED... seriously, he'd be great with a bald head as Lex Luthor. Or anyone, really. Snatch that guy up.

*THGhost* · 12-15-2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

One can only hope.

I still say Karl Urban would be a kick-ass Luthor.

I still want Bryan Cranston to play Luthor.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-15-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

I still want Bryan Cranston to play Luthor.

He'd be good, but he's much older. Lex and Superman probably should be closer in age. Also, Cranston has said before that people only want him to play this role because he's famous for bald bad guys.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-15-2016, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

He'd be good, but he's much older. Lex and Superman probably should be closer in age.

Lex can be a little older, but not nearly that old.

*AT-Man* · 12-15-2016, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Karl Urban is a kick-ass EVERYTHING.
(that...that right there, might get me to see another movie in this universe. If somehow Karl Urban wound up cast in it.)

Urban will be Skurge in Thor: Ragnarök. JOY!

*plastroncafe* · 12-15-2016, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AT-Man

Urban will be Skurge in Thor: Ragnarök. JOY!

Yeah...I'm okay with that.
I'm MORE than okay with that.

12-13-2016, 10:05 PM	#1
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Cylons' Thoughts on the DCEU With the Deadshot and Sirens announcements, I thought, "what the hell, let's look at the grand scheme of things here." Current State of the DCEU Man of Steel (2013) A- Pa Kent was terribly written, but other than that, damn good movie. You haters don't know what you want, except for the fact that you want Supes wearing those ridiculous red panties. Batman V Superman (2016) B-/C+ Damn you, Jesse Eisenberg; you ruined Lex Luthor. Wonder Woman and Batman were great, but Batman really shouldn't have been a murdering psychopath. "Martha" was a bad idea. And Superman just really deserved to have a standalone sequel, because none of you cared about him in this movie. (Oh, and Lex's plan was overcomplicated BS.) Suicide Squad (2016) B-/C+ Another damn sky portal showdown. Enchantress was delightfully creepy; Deadshot, Waller, Harley, Boomerang, Croc, El Diablo... hell, EVERYONE in this movie was great. But we didn't need Katana. And Joker was terribly shoehorned in. Great cast, pretty poor story. Wonder Woman Hopefully it'll be great. Gal and Chris will both be highly praised, there will be at least one highly divisive element (whether plot point or character), but for the most part, I think it'll be the most successful DC movie to rival or surpass MoS. Justice League No matter what, at this point, it's going to be as good or as bad as BvS was. Gal, Ben, and Cavill will be great; Momoa will be a surprisingly great part of the movie. Flash's SFX will be great, the character not so much. Cyborg will suck. The villain will suck. Superman's return will probably be botched. The Flash I'll be astonished if this film ever actually makes it to the big screen. It's still vastly unnecessary (thanks, CW!), Ezra Miller is still "eh", and no director wants to touch it. The SFX will probably be awesome, the story will feel abhorently redundant (thanks, CW!), and if it DOES happen, it will do no better than the 2011 Green Lantern. Close to a flop, I'm sure. Aquaman It'll happen, it'll be a little weird, and the effects will hopefully be amazing. Diehard Aquaman fans (if there are such a thing) will hate it because of Momoa's visual portrayal, but I think this movie will be good. Shazam Again, this film is never actually going to make it to the big screen. Don't make me laugh; it's not even connected to the DCEU proper. Dwayne Johnson will star in this like Vin Diesel will star in the MCU "Inhumans" movie. Never. Cyborg This isn't happening. Ever. No matter what they say, Cyborg will be the Hulk of the JL lineup, except Universal never made a movie before the big team-up movie. Sorry, Vic... you lose. We wanted Martian Manhunter instead. Green Lantern Corps If this movie ever happens, it'll be like Suicide Squad. Somebody wanted to do a good movie and there was a lot of potential, but the studio's lack of faith (thanks, 2011 GL) will end up causing a lot of problems. Reshoots, sloppy script, etc. The acting will be great, the story not so much. The Batman IF Ben Affleck ever does confirm he's actually working on it, it'll be pretty good. I'm personally still pissed we're not getting the Court of Owls or Hush or Red Hood or anything other than Deathstroke, though. Manu Bennett was enough for me, I want someone new on the big screen. Also, it won't actually have ANY of the Robins or Batgirls, not even Oracle, so I'll be REALLY pissed off. Even more pissed off. Enraged, actually. Justice League Dark Yeah, this isn't happening either. Del Toro wanted to make it, isn't that enough of a clue? Never happen. Deadshot A Batman/Deadshot team-up, if they can convince Affleck to do it. People will go see it because Will Smith (who was great)... but seriously, we don't need this movie. For that reason, it just might get made. Gotham City Sirens It COULD be good. I have Aquaman/WonderWoman levels of optimism for this. The casting will be quality, I'm sure, but the script could be bad. Also, we haven't had a great menacing memorable DC villain since Zod, so that's a concern as well... Justice League 2 IF the DCEU survives long enough for a sequel, this movie will be better than the first. It will have to be, because JL1 is going to be crucified. But I wouldn't bet your kids' college education savings on it. Lobo Hell, a Cyborg movie will happen first. Man of Steel 2 THIS movie deserves to be made but won't. Cavill deserves a chance to star in a sequel that can hopefully bring in some of you MoS-hating Superman fans, because he's a damn good actor. It will hopefully improve Lex Luthor's abysmal performance (damn you, Jesse Eisenberg) and bring in Brainiac. WE DESERVE THIS MOVIE. So we probably won't get it. Because we don't get nice things. Suicide Squad 2 It'll be better than the first, I'm hopeful. Hopefully they'll also do a better job of living up to the nature of the story, i.e., let's see some more shocking deaths! The animated film "Assault on Arkham" killed off heavy-hitters like King Shark and Killer Frost, and the cinematic version only killed off Slipknot!? __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

12-13-2016, 11:21 PM	#4
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	I didn't like Man of Steel at all, but I saw it again about a month ago and I kind of warmed up to it. I have no idea why - maybe I knew what to expect this time so I was able to pay more attention to the plot or something. It's not that bad; some of it's pretty good. __________________ ProactiveMan!

12-14-2016, 11:27 AM	#12
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,560	All of that sounds about right to me. And I'm still betting Jesse Eisenberg will quietly go away and never be seen/heard of/mentioned again when Papa Luthor comes back to roost. They did give themselves that backdoor and at this point they probably know they need to use it. Hopefully they can talk Joaquin Phoenix into it fully this time. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-14-2016, 12:03 AM	#5
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,881	I'm surprised you rated the first two movies so high, I expected them to be more in the C+ range.

12-14-2016, 12:04 AM	#6
DestronMirage22 Yukipedia Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 1,723	I agree with almost everything you said, Cylon. Except for Suicide Squad, which I haven't seen, and MoS, which I hate (since I hate Superman).

12-14-2016, 07:11 AM	#7
Krutch Like, stupid rich. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Rawkzone Posts: 2,808	Man of Steel was 98 percent trash. Only redeeming things were a couple Hans Zimmer tracks. Nothing else. Which reminds me, I really should get back to editing my 2 hour doc deconstructing all the flaws of the film...