New Episodes In Korean (Warning Spoilers)

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by NikitaZhukov

I think Donnie killed Bebop and Rocksteady as well.

I think B&R most likely survived. Their ending was goofy and didn't seem lethal as opposed to Razhar and fishface who were disposed off pretty seriously in ways that people normally wouldn't survive.

Whether they survived though Id say is up to speculation at this point. I personally think that they probably managed to survive somehow despite the odds being against them, just like how Splinter previously survived falling down 20,000 feet and even Razhar was unscathed after being run over by a train in the same episode.

So far:
1. Splinter and Shredder are both confirmed dead
2. Tiger Claw and Baxter Stockman are confirmed to have survived
3. Bebop and Rocksteady also probably survived (in my opinion)
4. Razhar and Fishfaces' fates are uncertain.

[neatoman]

So now I've watched the episodes. Decent action, pretty well directed, liked seeing Casey's classic mask and felt that Stockman being de-mutated was a good idea (I really hate the fly angle to be honest, it's so stupid and I don't see it ever being a good idea). But like I suspected, the death scene doesn't really have much of an effect on me.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I agree that they all use shock value.

However, I disagree that they all dwell on uncertainty regarding Splinter's death, atleast not all of them.

The only time it felt uncertain to me was in the ending of "The Super Shredder". All the other times coming up to this episode, it was obvious due to some cue at the end that Splinter was going to survive or come back.

This time though, he's gone for good and the turtles have to deal with it. It was kind of the point of the episode if you haven't seen it. After seeing his departure done excellently and with lots of heart in the episode, its kind of really insulting to just dismiss it as another fake-out that will be reversed via mutagen magic or something.

I think Nick brilliantly approached this arc. First, the turtles had to deal with Splinter's absence, albeit knowing he would survive (farm house arc). Then, they actually lost Splinter, but knew they could bring him back (space arc). This time however, he's gone for good, and they have to live their lives dealing with his permanent departure, a crucial part of growing up which the turtles have done throughout the course of the series.

I'm not dismissing it as another fakeout, I'm just saying it's difficult to take seriously given the fakeouts, even if it is for real this time.

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I think B&R most likely survived. Their ending was goofy and didn't seem lethal as opposed to Razhar and fishface who were disposed off pretty seriously in ways that people normally wouldn't survive.

Whether they survived though Id say is up to speculation at this point. I personally think that they probably managed to survive somehow despite the odds being against them, just like how Splinter previously survived falling down 20,000 feet and even Razhar was unscathed after being run over by a train in the same episode.

So far:
1. Splinter and Shredder are both confirmed dead
2. Tiger Claw and Baxter Stockman are confirmed to have survived
3. Bebop and Rocksteady also probably survived (in my opinion)
4. Razhar and Fishfaces' fates are uncertain.

These characters are constantly shown to survive scenarios like being run over by a train, I think it's a safe bet to say all the henchmen survived this time. If they survived everything else, they survived this.

[victory_angel]

Splinter's death is a huge turning point for the turtles. Yeah, it sucks they are all orphans now. But with Splinter being a constant presence in their lives they don't feel the need to grow up. Instead they fall into a complacent mindset where they believe they will be together as a family forever.

Season 2 they wanted to hope for the best, but they were forced to fear the worst. And struggled to survive in their makeshift little family until they learned Splinter was alive and they were ready to return to the city.

Season 3 They actually see Splinter die before their eyes. And know their family will also suffer death together in a matter of moments until Honeycutt arrived and enabled them to reset history and prevent Earths distruction.

Season 4 the turtles have a series of death scares such as the various near death experiences that have happen to them individually and as a group. Each time they have survived it has made their team and family stronger. But it has also left them with a false belief that they could face anything and they would all be together because their unity makes them strong.

[Storm Eagle]

Originally Posted by TMNTInsighter

It's called a business.

Yeah well I still don't think anyone is getting fired, and all because they're not airing the episodes in a way that's to our liking.

[TLP]

I found Shredder's death kinda unsatisfying. Too ambiguous. The scumbag deserved an onscreen death for all the horrible things he did over the course of the series.

I wish they would have done some clever sorta-"family-friendly" camera trick to show the aftermath of him being decapitated.

Still, I really enjoyed the finale and how brutal it was.

Originally Posted by neatoman

Would you prefer coming back as a Shark Monster, a Demon with a Dragon transformation, a Computer Virus or an Utrom?

Computer Virus?

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by TLP

I found Shredder's death kinda unsatisfying. Too ambiguous. The scumbag deserved an onscreen death for all the horrible things he did over the course of the series.

I wish they would have done some clever sorta-"family-friendly" camera trick to show the aftermath of him being decapitated.

That's why they did the killing shot in black and white to keep it "friendly". I guess the reason they didn't show Shredder's body because they showed Splinter's death/dead body in the previous episode. They couldn't really show 2 dead bodies 1 after the other, they have to balance it out to keep it kid friendly.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TLP

Computer Virus?

The Cyber Shredder, created from Shredder's digitally stored memories and an alien computer virus named Viral.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

That's why they did the killing shot in black and white to keep it "friendly". I guess the reason they didn't show Shredder's body because they showed Splinter's death/dead body in the previous episode. They couldn't really show 2 dead bodies 1 after the other, they have to balance it out to keep it kid friendly.

I'm pretty sure you can show two dead bodies in a kid show

[NinjaMan]

Do we know who the main villain of season 5 will be? Gonna miss this version of the foot clan.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

I'm pretty sure you can show two dead bodies in a kid show

I guess It depends on the age group, TMNT is for 5 to 11 years right and I don't think Nickeodeon would like a lot of complaints from parents.

I don't watch many cartoons now, only this and Thunderbirds. Did they show dead bodies in other cartoons, Korra ect.

[Redworld96]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Did they show dead bodies in other cartoons, Korra ect.

Well these were some deaths on Korra:






Only we can see the dead body of the girl without arms (2nd video), but the other deaths were off-screen

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Redworld96

Well these were some deaths on Korra:

Only we can see the dead body of the girl without arms (2nd video), but the other deaths were off-screen

I was talking about dead bodies (not including skeletons) on screen not on screen deaths.

Tang Shen was the first onscreen death but we don't see her dead body.
Splinter's death in season 3 final was onscreen and we do see his dead body
Splinter in season 4 episode 25, his death is onscreen (but you don't see him hit the ground but I expect he was already dead before he hit the ground) and again we see his dead body.
Shredder in Season 4 final, his death is on screen but we don't see his dead body.

[asfaloth12]

Oh, wow. I never thought I would come close to crying during a TMNT cartoon. Splinter
Can't wait to see the original version so I can understand the dialogue , but my goodness the animation and the music were great.
The final fight between the Turtles and Shredder was just awesome.

[JH24]

Those were amazing episodes, especially the second one. The final fight was grim and desperate, it really felt like all or nothing. The way Rahzar and Fishface were defeated was pretty dark. It was nice to see Stockman being turned back into a human again. In a sense he was a victim as well, he was punished enough.


I always felt that Casey, even though it was said he was being part of their family, was still kind of an outsider, in the sense that he didn't appear in every episode. In this two-parter, I really felt for the first time, he was truly being part of their family, and not as an outside character who appears when needed. The way they mourned Splinter's death, their preparations and battlecry, all of them fighting together as they made their way through Shredder's hideout. Or even the little things like Casey interacting with Mikey, etc.

In a way it felt unreal, seeing them all together, not to mention the scene of Karai (I couldn't understand what they were saying but it felt very emotional) in the hospital and near the end. They're a new family now. They're all in it together, and Splinter will always be a part of them. In a way, the final screen really gave a sense of closure. I realize season 5 is coming, but the ending screen really gave the feeling they're all heading into a new future, and whatever that future will bring, they'll face it together, as a family.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by asfaloth12

Oh, wow. I never thought I would come close to crying during a TMNT cartoon. Splinter
Can't wait to see the original version so I can understand the dialogue , but my goodness the animation and the music were great.
The final fight between the Turtles and Shredder was just awesome.

Yeah I expect Splinter death will be lot more heartbreaking when you watch it in English and hear the original voice actors.

I'm actually looking forward in hearing Seth, Greg, Rob and Sean for Splinters death scene.

[asfaloth12]

Vicky82,
Yes, I expect so. We're lucky to have such good voice actors playing the turtles
I'm also really looking forward to hearing the original actors in that vision (?) scene with Splinter and Leo, as well as the final fight between Leo and Shredder. The latter seemed pretty intense.

JH24
Great comment. Agree with you on Casey; I really liked him in these two episodes.

[Dust]

You can always bet on the finales to be some of the best episodes of the show and season 4 delivered. The Turtles had no mercy in episode 26, Jesus Christ. I felt bad for the Foot this time around lmao.

[JH24]

JH24
Great comment. Agree with you on Casey; I really liked him in these two episodes.

Yeah. I really liked him as well in these episodes. It really seems to depend on how he's written. After re-watching, It kind of feels Mikey and Casey have grown together. Mikey seems to be the one looking after Casey a lot. We see them interacting, Mikey was the one saving Casey from falling at Shredder's hideout, as well as being a support for Casey to lean on after he was being knocked down by Tigerclaw.


Near the end there was a billboard with 'Stockman Industries - Making today's dream tomorrow's reality." Does this mean Stockman now has his own company? That's pretty cool, actually.

[NinjaMan]

Hearing the original voice actors for this is gonna be great. I must have watched these at least five times now lol.

[Vicky82]

One thing we haven't really mentioned was the CPR on Karai scene, my heart jumped to my throat.

I love to see a CPR scenes in Cartoons, ever since Gargoyles when Elisa performed CPR on Angela, it's always given me chills when I watch it.