Spider-Man 2017 film

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

It's evidence that Sony still just does not get it. This rushing headlong you see them doing with Venom and Black Cat is exactly what they will do with Spider-Man once they pull out of the MCU. It's what they did with ASM2 as well, which cost them quite a pretty penny in the end.

I did very much enjoy seeing Spidey in Civil War, but the reason I and others are annoyed by this is because none of us trust Sony to do the web-head justice. Between ASM2, Ghostbusters, and no doubt the upcoming Emoji Movie, the company is a complete laughing stock. For them to so boldly imply that they'll be making Spider-Man movies on their own after 2019 (because we all know that's exactly what they'll do) can only be met with laughter and ridicule given their track record.

In one of the leaked 2014 emails, some Sony high-up noted that the company was viewed as "the bad guy" by the public when it came to Spidey. That's because it's always depressing to see someone have a really nice toy and then break it constantly. That's what Sony does almost time they produce a Spidey movie these days - they damage the property's value.

Those are fair points, but I don't feel they really tackle the angle SDP was taking on it. The fact that it happened is reason to celebrate.

Now, when it comes to fears of the future, you have every right to think Sony will drop the ball, but it's not a guarentee. Look at how badly Fox was doing over the previous decade before Deadpool and Logan (X-3, First Class, Fantastic Four and DOFP were all pretty darn medicore or worse, imo, though I'm sure mileage will vary on this).

Things change and improvements can happen. Sony did put out the excellent Spider-Man 1 and 2, then the terrible Spider-man 3 and medicore ASM's. There's a constant ebb and flow with these studios, so there is also room to remain optimistic.

I'd say even moreso now, because Sony has likely picked up some tips and tricks from working alongside Marvel. Especially in relation to what makes Spider-Man tick.

And as great a job as Marvel Studios usually does, they aren't immune to dropping the ball. I would sure be disappointed if we got an ongoing Spider-Man series from Marvel that has the quality of Thor 2, Iron-Man 2, or even Dr. Strange, which was enjoyable enough, but felt incredibly safe and well...boring, to me.

Just my two cents.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Now, when it comes to fears of the future, you have every right to think Sony will drop the ball, but it's not a guarentee. Look at how badly Fox was doing over the previous decade before Deadpool and Logan (X-3, First Class, Fantastic Four and DOFP were all pretty darn medicore or worse, imo, though I'm sure mileage will vary on this).

And Deadpool and Logan were the two films where the creators themselves were given considerable reign over the final product... hmm...

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I'd say even moreso now, because Sony has likely picked up some tips and tricks from working alongside Marvel. Especially in relation to what makes Spider-Man tick.

I wouldn't bet on it. This new trailer is exactly what the marketing for ASM 2 looked like: everything in the film thrown onto the screen in some feverish attempt to get somebody, anybody, interested in the film. They try way too hard to cram as much stuff as they can in.

I for one (perhaps naively) took it for granted that we'd see a teenage Pete grow up in the MCU, and, when the Infinity War was over, be the backbone of the New Avengers. It just sucks that Sony is more interested in "experimenting" with the character themselves instead of extending the deal and letting that scenario come to pass.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

And Deadpool and Logan were the two films where the creators themselves were given considerable reign over the final product... hmm...



I wouldn't bet on it. This new trailer is exactly what the marketing for ASM 2 looked like: everything in the film thrown onto the screen in some feverish attempt to get somebody, anybody, interested in the film. They try way too hard to cram as much stuff as they can in.

I for one (perhaps naively) took it for granted that we'd see a teenage Pete grow up in the MCU, and, when the Infinity War was over, be the backbone of the New Avengers. It just sucks that Sony is more interested in "experimenting" with the character themselves instead of extending the deal and letting that scenario come to pass.

Yes, the creators of Deadpool and Logan were indeed given more creative control on their projects....after Fox clearly muddled their hands all over Wolverine: Origins, The Wolverine, and Fantastic Four. No one would have ever expected them to let Logan and Deadpool happen, yet they did.

So it's a good point, but I feel like it really serves my arguement more.


I'd also love to see Spider-Man grow up in the MCU. I'm sure they want him to be the backbone as well, and anything is still possible.

It's not that I'm advocating for Spidey to go back, but I do see a silver lining if he does.

[Splinter the boss]

Nice trailer, I think the movie might come out great. I don't know why some are worrying.

[Andrew NDB]

Trailer seems fine to me. My only worry is what we're not seeing... i.e., Sony hamfisting little things and characters into the movie that set up their own other movies.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

So it's a good point, but I feel like it really serves my arguement more.

How so? It's true that Sony is experimenting with the property - there's that upcoming Venom movie, but here's the thing: that film has been in development hell for a decade, but this isn't an Ant-Man or Deadpool situation where there's been one man, with a real vision on how to proceed, gunning for this to be made for years.
Suddenly, Sony announces a release date a year-and-a-half from now. That's all they have. Right now it's nothing more than an empty date; no director, no cast, no effing screenplay even. It's being fast-tracked. It's Sony being Sony: sloppy, haphazard, unwittingly self-harming. Logan and Deadpool were projects that were brainchilds of the actors themselves, not a last resort as Venom appears to be.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

How so? It's true that Sony is experimenting with the property - there's that upcoming Venom movie, but here's the thing: that film has been in development hell for a decade, but this isn't an Ant-Man or Deadpool situation where there's been one man, with a real vision on how to proceed, gunning for this to be made for years.
Suddenly, Sony announces a release date a year-and-a-half from now. That's all they have. Right now it's nothing more than an empty date; no director, no cast, no effing screenplay even. It's being fast-tracked. It's Sony being Sony: sloppy, haphazard, unwittingly self-harming. Logan and Deadpool were projects that were brainchilds of the actors themselves, not a last resort as Venom appears to be.

I think it's too early to judge where Venom is going. I can't blame you for being pessimistic about it, but we haven't really seen Sony's plan with Spider-Man properties since the deal was made. I'm willing to be open-minded for now.

I can't help but feel like some of your statements are contradtictory though. In your last post, you say that the new Homecoming trailer looks pretty bad, as if they are trying to cram stuff in. So why would you want Spider-Man to stay at Marvel then? They are creatively taking the lead right now with Homecoming.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

That would be Stark's ultimate Come-to-Jesus moment, wouldn't it?

- Start a civil war in the Avengers over the death of a teenage boy
- Stupidly recruit a teenage boy to help out
- Kid gets killed being a super hero

It would be the one thing powerful enough to finally tear away his obnoxious ego.

Good points all, and here I was overthinking the "Let's put PETER in the MCU." as a, "Once the deal with Marvel is over we kill Parker and it's a perfect time to pull in Miles Morales."

Call me jaded, but that's how I wonder if things will play out.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

Good points all, and here I was overthinking the "Let's put PETER in the MCU." as a, "Once the deal with Marvel is over we kill Parker and it's a perfect time to pull in Miles Morales."

Doubtful... if only because Sony will want to continue using him in their Sony-exclusive movies and will want to keep their pre-existing audience from the Marvel Spider-Mans. And I don't think Marvel has the rights to use Miles Morales without Sony's say-so, as he's pretty indisputably a Spider-Man character... same reason Marvel couldn't just, you know, throw Rhino or Norman Osborne into an MCU movie.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I can't help but feel like some of your statements are contradtictory though. In your last post, you say that the new Homecoming trailer looks pretty bad, as if they are trying to cram stuff in. So why would you want Spider-Man to stay at Marvel then? They are creatively taking the lead right now with Homecoming.

I'm not fully satisfied with how the Spidey mythos are being handled in the MCU, but I'm a lot more comfortable with it than Sony's in ASM. There's no magical third option.
And Homecoming isn't looking to be a real disaster to me; I'm really enjoying the look of the film - the colors jump off the screen, all bright and solid like a '60s comic book. I'm just not happy with the misguided interpretation of Peter's character; he's supposed to be more than just a whiz kid with a dead uncle.

[Dust]

I think the movie will be here to establish that Peter is still Spider-Man without Tony Stark, hence the removal of his proper suit.

[DestronMirage22]

Trailer looks good and all, but I wish the costume Peter came up with himself didn't look so trashy. They could've had him make a simple version of his classic suit that's used in the comics, and it would've been more fitting.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Dust

I think the movie will be here to establish that Peter is still Spider-Man without Tony Stark, hence the removal of his proper suit.

Yeah, sort of seems like Captain America rejecting his SHIELD outfit and going back to his original duds in Winter Soldier.

[Dust]

Originally Posted by Dust

To be fair, that'd be the suit we already have, with less gadgets and tech. This one I like, it's cheaply made, sort of a mix between Tobey Maguire's wrestling suit Spidey and Scarlet Spider.

Also, seems like Peter made the eye tech himself, as the white on his goggles on his original costume move as well, so at least Peter appears to have made that and the webbing. The eye thing can be seen on the Hot Toys first suit Spidey that the company uploaded images of to their website the other day.

To be fair, that'd be the suit we already have, with less gadgets and tech. This one I like, it's cheaply made, sort of a mix between Tobey Maguire's wrestling suit Spidey and Scarlet Spider.

Also, seems like Peter made the eye tech himself, as the white on his goggles on his original costume move as well, so at least Peter appears to have made that and the webbing. The eye thing can be seen on the Hot Toys first suit Spidey that the company uploaded images of to their website the other day.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, sort of seems like Captain America rejecting his SHIELD outfit and going back to his original duds in Winter Soldier.

Yeah, I can see that. Peter does share many similarities with Cap, they both have a lot of heart and want to do what's right, always willing to fight the good fight, even if someone tells them not to. And they both stand up to Tony

I think this movie will be good, but I do hope the sequel is more standalone Spidey than Spider-Man ft. Iron Man, which I think it will be.

[Splinter the boss]

Originally Posted by DestronMirage22

Trailer looks good and all, but I wish the costume Peter came up with himself didn't look so trashy. They could've had him make a simple version of his classic suit that's used in the comics, and it would've been more fitting.

This, I agree with.

[Shark_Blade]

Would Peter's ass jiggle like Andrew Garfield's did in Amazing Spiderman 1?



All that junk in that tight spandex trunk.

[THGhost]

Would any of you say the new trailer shows the entire plot? Because I hear it does and therefore haven't watched it.

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Would any of you say the new trailer shows the entire plot? Because I hear it does and therefore haven't watched it.

Spoiler:

Oh no, the cat's out of the bag, Spider-Man is in this film!

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Would any of you say the new trailer shows the entire plot? Because I hear it does and therefore haven't watched it.

Do not watch it. It tells you 2/3 if the whole film, not exaggerating.

[Dust]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Do not watch it. It tells you 2/3 if the whole film, not exaggerating.

You say, having not seen the film.

Still, it does show a lot, so don't watch it if you want to avoid spoilers.