Official Episode Discussion S5 Ep 04: End Times

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Toadtrooper

It feels like Tales is going to just be Ciro's fangirl scrapbook of season ideas being cut down into a few episodes apiece. Not to tell a good story, but to get them onto his resume before production shuts down.

Kavaxas would have been a great season-long story arc. But as five episodes, it's too rushed, too overstuffed, too exposition-dependent, and doesn't add anything significant to the show's lore. Having Hamill voice Kavaxas is the only interesting thing about him, other than perhaps the Hothead toy design cameo.

Ciro shouldn't be patting himself on the back. He took what should be a vibrant, lasting intellectual property and made it tedious AF. Has he ever tried rewatching his own show? Might be the wake-up call he needs.

Doubtful. have you ever seen how people interact with him? it's like they are afraid to tell him an idea is bad, they have to constantly praise him in person. He gives me the impression of someone wound up so tight that he's one step away from having an outburst at a convention. or throwing stuff at santa on an ice hockey rink.


I will say I DID find Kavaxas interesting, but yeah, he should have been a longer season long villain. not for 4 episodes. Maybe they could have had shredder send him up from hell to replace him or something. Instead, we got a shredder that did nothing, had a complete out of character turn around to 'save the day', and an episode that felt like it was half an idea stretched out into 4 shows.


As for Shingami, not only is it one of the oddest character introductions that came out of nowhere in tmnt history, it's also one of the most useless. so, she's got what appears to be a little magic and looks like a goth character. what other purpose does she have? not a warrior.. isn't strong enough to defeat any enemies. other than a cool voice and interesting, if basic, look, rather useless..

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

LOL, using words like, "appalling" to describe Rahzar's fate is ridiculous. The character died last season. He was briefly revived as an undead minion and then was "dead" once more after he fell into the pit and Kavaxas was gone. That's it. Rahzar didn't need some any final closure when his character was done.

Yawn, while you're still quibbling over useless crap such as semantics, you have failed to prove how he was given proper closure. The way he was sent off in both Season 4 and Season 5 is underwhelming. Stop trying to debate with me irrationally if you're just going to stall and post complete gibberish. You know that's what I said, let's not act like I didn't.

[CyberCubed]

Because that IS closure. The character died! When any character dies in any show/movie/comic/whatever...that's the end of the character! They die! It's the same thing like heroes dying in the middle of battle or losing their loved ones or whatever, of course they don't get closure with their families...they're gone.

[Dust]

Bradford had no real character left, he had no arc to close. So killing him off in this instance is closure, I agree with Cubed.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Because that IS closure. The character died! When any character dies in any show/movie/comic/whatever...that's the end of the character! They die! It's the same thing like heroes dying in the middle of battle or losing their loved ones or whatever, of course they don't get closure with their families...they're gone.

There is closure and there is proper closure. His was the former where his death is not symbolic of a significant character who contributed to the story over the course of 4 years, even having been conferred an entirely new mutation as a sign of respect. Seriously, in what world is a meaningless death where even his comrades couldn't care less a form of profuse respect and proper closure?

Provide a response that does not misconstrue what I said or do not respond at all.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by Dust

Bradford had no real character left, he had no arc to close. So killing him off in this instance is closure, I agree with Cubed.

So because of horrible writing, Rahzar was left undeveloped and wasn't given the closure he deserved because of it. Do tell how that sounds like a fairly logical premise.

Simply having no arc left does not mean he should be discarded carelessly, that is just folly. What I'm getting at is the same reason why people were disaffected by Tiger Claw's departure in spite of being a well-written character, his story was closed off abruptly and off-screen which is inexcusable.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

There is closure and there is proper closure. His was the former where his death is not symbolic of a significant character who contributed to the story over the course of 4 years, even having been conferred an entirely new mutation as a sign of respect. Seriously, in what world is a meaningless death where even his comrades couldn't care less a form of profuse respect and proper closure?

Provide a response that does not misconstrue what I said or do not respond at all.

So were you expecting to see a funeral or a memorial for Rahzar or something.

Here lies an arsehole who followed orders from his master who was also an arsehole, we won't miss him and hope he will be tortured in hell for all eternity.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

So were you expecting to see a funeral or a memorial for Rahzar or something.

Nice exaggeration, but no I'm not.

As said before, I'm expecting that there would be more thought into Rahzar's departure to create at least feasible closure for him rather than what we got when he's one-of-a-kind and an important asset to the show. I'm not a writer, so I cannot tell you how it would be executed. I am simply arguing that based on how it was executed, it was rushed and poorly written.

In before someone resorts to another petty response without reading what I have to say.

[Anarchistguy]

The part that freaked me out the most is seeing that Rhazar was an undead zombie this whole arc...creeped me the hell out.

[DestronMirage22]

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

The part that freaked me out the most is seeing that Rhazar was an undead zombie this whole arc...creeped me the hell out.

But he already kinda looked like a zombie to begin with...

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

Nice exaggeration, but no I'm not.

As said before, I'm expecting that there would be more thought into Rahzar's departure to create at least feasible closure for him rather than what we got when he's one-of-a-kind and an important asset to the show. I'm not a writer, so I cannot tell you how it would be executed. I am simply arguing that based on how it was executed, it was rushed and poorly written.

In before someone resorts to another petty response without reading what I have to say.

Rahzar was a villian not a hero so he doesn't deserve proper closer. If he was a hero and didn't get a proper closure then I can understand where your coming from but he was a villain and villains aren't meant to get proper closures.

But to be honest If Requiem was Rahzar last appearance then I would of been annoyed because we didn't see his body and I thought he was still alive, so it wouldn't of been closure for me. Seeing him falling him into the Netherworld did give me closure because we know he aint coming back.

But I was still a little dissppointed how he died in Requiem or End times because I did actually want Mikey to kill him because of there history.

[Dust]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

Nice exaggeration, but no I'm not.

As said before, I'm expecting that there would be more thought into Rahzar's departure to create at least feasible closure for him rather than what we got when he's one-of-a-kind and an important asset to the show. I'm not a writer, so I cannot tell you how it would be executed. I am simply arguing that based on how it was executed, it was rushed and poorly written.

In before someone resorts to another petty response without reading what I have to say.

If Rahzar wasn't basically forgotten and received proper development through the series, I'd agree with your point. However, due to poor writing with his character, he's reduced to "guy who's loyal to the Shredder", and there is no sympathy for him, as the Shredder's actions can be interpreted as an extension of Bradford's. He's the only character who never questioned Shredder or his motives. If he was more competent, he would have become a second Shredder, a threat the Turtles do not want. Having him die is fitting, especially by Leatherhead's hands, as Bradford was Mikey's first "friend" while Leatherhead was his first REAL friend. I do agree it could've been handled better, and Rahzar himself could have been handled better.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

So because of horrible writing, Rahzar was left undeveloped and wasn't given the closure he deserved because of it. Do tell how that sounds like a fairly logical premise.

Simply having no arc left does not mean he should be discarded carelessly, that is just folly. What I'm getting at is the same reason why people were disaffected by Tiger Claw's departure in spite of being a well-written character, his story was closed off abruptly and off-screen which is inexcusable.

just like fish face and so many others before him, bradford basically got forgotten about.

and later pushed aside for the redundant bebop and rocksteady.

Poor writing at it's finest and more proof this show felt like too many hands involved.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by MCLeo28

In before someone resorts to another petty response without reading what I have to say.

that's all people do online these days, especially when they think making a petty or insulting response further solidifies their position that they are right. which, of course, it doesn't ;o).

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

just like fish face and so many others before him, bradford basically got forgotten about.

and later pushed aside for the redundant bebop and rocksteady.

Poor writing at it's finest and more proof this show felt like too many hands involved.

What on earth are you talking about now? Even after Bebop/Rocksteady were introduced they had Rahzar/Fishface and Tiger Claw as the main villains in various episodes.

In fact Bebop/Rocksteady weren't even in that many eps to begin with. They didn't get mutated until halfway into Season 3, then they weren't in the first 14 eps of Season 4 because of the obvious space arc, so then they only appear in the later parts of Season 4 and two or three Season 5 eps so far.

[Autbot_Benz]

My god the replies in this post summed up in one youtube video

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

My god the replies in this post summed up in one youtube video

hey, in order to survive, sometimes you gotta fit in with the crowd ;o)

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

My god the replies in this post summed up in one youtube video

Yeah. I know one I've given cubed a lot of crap over the years, but now he's just literally ruining threads.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah. I know one I've given cubed a lot of crap over the years, but now he's just literally ruining threads.

this place does remember it can ban people, right?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

this place does remember it can ban people, right?

You've been trolling the Nick section for at least 2 years, so you're not one to talk. You don't even seem like you actually watch the episodes.