Which was better: 'Turtles Forever' or Trans-dimensional Turtles

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by neatoman

As for West's death and the revived interest in the '66 Batman show... Look, this kind of thing always happens when a celebrity dies, when Stan Lee dies you can bet sales for reprints of classic Marvel is going to go through the roof. And of course, the home release of a once huge show that's been in copyright limbo for decades is going to sell well. The revived interest just isn't that surprising to me. It's going to fade away again eventually.

As for Gotham being trash, not sure what your point is. I'll agree that it's trash (I haven't watched it since season 2) but it's not like it and '66 are the only games in town when it comes to Batman shows. I'd still take TAS over both...

The revived interest in the '66 Batman show was happening before West passed away. In 2014, the complete series was released on Blu-ray and DVD. Last year was the 50th anniversary of the TV series and that was when Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders was released with West, Burt Ward and Julie Newmar reprising their roles. The LEGO Batman Movie, which was a success at the box-office had plenty of references to the series.

The FW Turtles, Batman, Robin, Batgirl, and the Power Rangers were my first superheroes and that is why they hold a special place in my heart. And believe me, they do in lots of other people's as well.

ETA: As for my thoughts on Gotham I've seen reviewers praising it for its very dark and gothic tone because that is what Batman is truly about I understand that and I enjoyed The Dark Knight film series. However, I'm in a place right now where I don't like watching stuff like that, especially after long days and weeks at work. Things that are light-hearted boost my spirits.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The revived interest in the '66 Batman show was happening before West passed away. In 2014, the complete series was released on Blu-ray and DVD. Last year was the 50th anniversary of the TV series and that was why Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders was released with West, Burt Ward and Julie Newmar reprising their roles. The LEGO Batman Movie, which was a success at the box-office had plenty of references to the series.

I went into that. Short version is that I'm not sure it'll last.

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The FW Turtles, Batman, Robin, Batgirl, and the Power Rangers were my first superheroes and that is why they hold a special place in my heart. And believe me, they do in lots of other people's are likely to.

I know. It's just that not everyone shares your sentiment and I don't think future generations will.

[ToTheNines]

Is it just the fact that the real voice cast was there that makes the FW zombies put up with any abuse given? Don't get me wrong, that goes a long way for me too, but geez.

[GoldMutant]

If Trans-Dimensional Turtles wasn't a regular episode (let alone in that space arc), I'm sure I'd like it more. Granted, it's still one of my favorite episodes of season 4 due to its entertainment, especially when compared to the majority of the season. It was a breath of fresh air, just wasn't placed in the right area at the right time.

Although I saw a lot of references to the 80's era right down to the animation goofs, it certainly hasn't aged well since my first viewing. I really don't like the 80's models in the Nickverse nor the flash animation. It felt way too skit so frantic with the pacing by the end. The main praise I can give it is despite their absence for twenty years, Clarke, Paulsen, Fraley, and Coleman still have it. Barry Gordon was still fine, but he sounded a bit off due to his age.

Turtles Forever was a nice send off to the 2k3 series. Just wish 2k3 had a little more poked fun at though to balance out the poking at FW. In addition, someone other than Dan Green as 80s Leo. Otherwise, it was excellent and easily can be a final tribute to the franchise.

Neither are perfect, but TF I'd take TD-Turtles.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, Dan Green kinda sucked. I just pretend he's imitating season one Leo and it's not that bad. Leo and Rocksteady were definitely the worst two, but everyone else was at least decent. If not spot on.

The biggest whiff in TF was the "mutant banana" scene. That should have been LH, Rat King, Slash, etc. in non speaking roles.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The biggest whiff in TF was the "mutant banana" scene. That should have been LH, Rat King, Slash, etc. in non speaking roles.

Is it bad I got a laugh out of the banana part? It's so random, but I got a chuckle out of it.

Definitely agree though it should've been some extra cameos.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Which TV series are considered animation classics?

Early Simpsons, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Samurai Jack, Batman: The Animated Series, Adventure Time, and, depending on who you ask, Gravity Falls and early SpongeBob.

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

The LEGO Batman Movie, which was a success at the box-office had plenty of references to the series.

The Lego Batman Movie had just as many, if not many more references to and jabs at other Batman incarnations.

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

The Lego Batman Movie had just as many, if not many more references to and jabs at other Batman incarnations.

Yes, I do remember those other ones as well.

[neatoman]

Was it more or less though? I haven't watched it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Aaronardo

Simpsons

By 2050, only Simpsons will be remembered of those, and maybe animated Batman. TMNT will be remembered as a franchise, not not as individual series.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Is it just the fact that the real voice cast was there that makes the FW zombies put up with any abuse given? Don't get me wrong, that goes a long way for me too, but geez.

The TMNT fandom has always been pretty weird about voice actors.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah, Dan Green kinda sucked. I just pretend he's imitating season one Leo and it's not that bad. Leo and Rocksteady were definitely the worst two, but everyone else was at least decent. If not spot on.

The biggest whiff in TF was the "mutant banana" scene. That should have been LH, Rat King, Slash, etc. in non speaking roles.

I guess those creatures came to Earth through a portal that opened, from any of those strange planets the turtles checked out in "Usagi Come Home" when searching for Usagi's Earth.

[Aaronardo]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

By 2050, only Simpsons will be remembered of those, and maybe animated Batman. TMNT will be remembered as a franchise, not not as individual series.

To say groundbreaking series like Samurai Jack or Avatar won't be remembered in 30 years by anyone even mildly interested in animation is a pretty ridiculous statement.

Also, TMNT not being remembered as one individual show was the original point. People remember Loony Tunes today because the quality of many of those shorts still hold up today, and that's why I say the above shows will have similar staying power, even if through popular cult followings. The point neatoman made was that the OT doesn't have that kind of staying power, as we've already seen.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Also, who came up with the idea of the original series turtles carrying mutagen canisters with them all the time?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Also, who came up with the idea of the original series turtles carrying mutagen canisters with them all the time?

Most likely the makers of Turtles Forever after watching the first season of the original cartoon and presuming that the turtles are always taking away mutagen from Shredder to prevent him from making new mutants.

Infact, Turtles Forever seems to take alot of cues from the first season of the Original Cartoon as opposed to the seasons that most people know. For e.g. Leonardo and Rocksteady speak in deeper voices closer to how they were in season 1, the turtles use a phonebooth elevator which only appeared in episode 4, the technodrome is moving in the beginning like it did in season 1 underground rather than being stuck, and some very obscure characters who appeared in the 1 made cameos as people on the street In the 80's world.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah the sniffer device from the first Lotus Blossom episode was pretty much the only post-season 1 reference.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah the sniffer device from the first Lotus Blossom episode was pretty much the only post-season 1 reference.

And Carter and Irma making cameos walking in the street.

Despite the makers probably watching only a little bit of 80's show with more than half being season 1, I loved how detailed they made the 80's universe and included references that it took me a few viewings to catch.

My favourite one was when the turtles entered the 80's universe and if you look very closely at the shops behind the pedestrians, you can see Ninja Pizza, Ninja Dentists, Ninja Dry Cleaners and Ninja Shoe Repairs just like in the first episode, done in the exact same order with the same designs.

[ToTheNines]

Are you sure about Carter? How have I missed it all these years?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Are you sure about Carter? How have I missed it all these years?

I didn't find out until I saw it pointed out somewhere on the Internet, probably Turtlepedia. Its only for 1 second and pretty hard to catch as Carters behind all the people walking on the street, opposite of the old lady who threatened the turtles with a gun.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

And Carter and Irma making cameos walking in the street.

Despite the makers probably watching only a little bit of 80's show with more than half being season 1, I loved how detailed they made the 80's universe and included references that it took me a few viewings to catch.

My favourite one was when the turtles entered the 80's universe and if you look very closely at the shops behind the pedestrians, you can see Ninja Pizza, Ninja Dentists, Ninja Dry Cleaners and Ninja Shoe Repairs just like in the first episode, done in the exact same order with the same designs.

How did those businesses reappear? They were run by Shredder in one district during the first season, and after the Technodrome was sent away from Earth, much of his criminal empire fell, reduced just to himself, Bebop and Rocksteady.