I'm not a fan of cinematic universes

[TigerClaw]

I love cinematic universes, its the only way to tell stories without cramming every hero in one movie, once you get to an Avengers movie, every movie that has come before it builds up to it.

[snake]

The culture that's sprung from these is just disgusting. Suddenly it's cool to be a "nerd", and you gotta flaunt it by showing off your latest Funko POP and Star Wars shirt. These movies are fashion accessories to a personality carefully crafted through focus groups and corperate executives.


It'll crash though, soon. The western did in the 60s and the cinematic universe will in the near future.

[PApagreg]

@Snake bland and safe I can understand but how is the MCU "colorless"

[TigerClaw]

Sounds like some people here are jaded.

[snake]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

@Snake bland and safe I can understand but how is the MCU "colorless"

Are you color blind? These movies have terrible cinematography. Everything is gray and visually bland.

[CyberCubed]

Ever since the original Star Wars trilogy and Back to the Future had multi-part continuation between movies, I felt this was tradition. You can even go further back with the original Planet of the Apes movies which was basically a 5-part movie.

I'm reluctant to include the James Bond films in this since most of them seem standalone, at least when they change actors. Are all the James Bond films intended to be in the same continuity when they change actors, or is just all reboots?

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by snake

Are you color blind? These movies have terrible cinematography. Everything is gray and visually bland.

Alright fair enough

[chrisdude]

I don't hate cinematic universes, but I agree that there are disadvantages. Movies having to build up to an event, or certain character is not being utilized, because they are plans for them elsewear. Blanket expectations of how mature the content can get. It's just a trend, and it will pass, some day.

I look at something like Spider-Man, and it bums me out. I've always thought of him as a character who is completely alone, and has no one to turn to for advice or help. But that's mainly a product of the specific Spider-Man content I grew up on. Plenty of other fans are thrilled to see him share a universe wth characters they're used to seeing him fight alongside in the comics.

At the same time, who is Captain Marvel if not an Avenger? I would argue that the modern version of Carol Dangers could not be done justice without a universe like the MCU having been established.

I'm more bothered by these movies being forced into a format. MCU films are mostly the same, in terms of story. They even look the same, visually. Only a couple stand out as great, in my opinion. (They're both Captain America movies.) And people can trash the X-Men movies, but at least they feel different. There's a different vision behind them. And they're free from whatever the next MCU event film is. Their freedom also allows them to make movies like Deadpool and Logan, which would never fly in the MCU. Nobody loved Fantastic Four, but, at least, it was a different angle on superhero movies.

I just think it's cool when different people are allowed to make different types of movies. That's why it bugs me when everyone says that such and such property needs to go back to Marvel Studios. You would just get those characters in the same old bland, 3.5-star movies you've been watching for almost 10 years.

Team ups and crossovers are fun, but I don't thing they're a BETTER way of doing things. Just different. It's got pluses and minuses.

[sdp]

I don't hate cinematic universes but I agree with most of your points Panda Khan. I've written about this on my blog and a few times here in the drome in misc. threads.

Quick points. Cinematic Universes are a buzzword that became a thing when Avengers became a B.O hit, they have always existed, it's just that the "modern" version of them was made by Marvel and yeah, it kind of sucks. Too many crossovers, I can't even believe I"m saying this but even TV shows like Arrowverse have become too bloated because of them while they should be mostly single shows with a crossover every once in a while and the reason many universes are failing is because they are doing it wrong putting too much effort into it besides a good single moviel

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

Still waiting on Gamera one day.

They announced a new Gamera movie when Shin Gojira was announced, whatever happened to that?

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by sdp

They announced a new Gamera movie when Shin Gojira was announced, whatever happened to that?

I'm referring to using Gamera in the Legendary Entertainment Monsterverse, not the Japanese films. I'm aware they don't have the rights to Gamera, but it would be nice.

[Shark_Blade]

Don't worry, it hates you too.

[Splinter the boss]

I love cinematic universes, they're so cool. They're frankly beautiful.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Cure

Maybe not everyone is 100% for them, but like, it's pretty clear you just wanted some kind of fanfare and validation for your opinion; most people can see through it and don't care.

Wrong, I was not seeking validation, I just wondered if anyone shared my opinion. I need no validation for my stance on things, I merely wondered other people stance. I am not coming on here trying to stir up trouble of any kind, though I admit I may have been venting a bit on how interconnected everything is. I don't understand hostility just because I don't like something so insignificant.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Okay now I'm legit curious:

What's your stance on sequels or trilogies?
Are you the only one to hate them too?

Does this extend to other forms of media?
Like television: Do you prefer shows that are self-contained "monster of the week" stories?

Or is it just things that are bad at what they're attempting to do that earn your ire?

Sequels I enjoy if done well. If they have a story to tell, it's just fine. A sequel for the sake of a sequel, and the story being secondary? No thanks.

TV series, I prefer if it stays self contained to a certain extent to that series itself. I actually prefer ongoing, connected story arcs, but not ones that intersect with other shows. I don't mind crossovers at all, as long as they are contained to the crossover episode itself.

You hit the nail on the head; the only ones I hate, are the ones that do it poorly.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by snake

The culture that's sprung from these is just disgusting. Suddenly it's cool to be a "nerd", and you gotta flaunt it by showing off your latest Funko POP and Star Wars shirt. These movies are fashion accessories to a personality carefully crafted through focus groups and corperate executives.


It'll crash though, soon. The western did in the 60s and the cinematic universe will in the near future.

This sums up a large portion of my problem.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I don't hate cinematic universes, but I agree that there are disadvantages. Movies having to build up to an event, or certain character is not being utilized, because they are plans for them elsewear. Blanket expectations of how mature the content can get. It's just a trend, and it will pass, some day.

I look at something like Spider-Man, and it bums me out. I've always thought of him as a character who is completely alone, and has no one to turn to for advice or help. But that's mainly a product of the specific Spider-Man content I grew up on. Plenty of other fans are thrilled to see him share a universe wth characters they're used to seeing him fight alongside in the comics.

At the same time, who is Captain Marvel if not an Avenger? I would argue that the modern version of Carol Dangers could not be done justice without a universe like the MCU having been established.

I'm more bothered by these movies being forced into a format. MCU films are mostly the same, in terms of story. They even look the same, visually. Only a couple stand out as great, in my opinion. (They're both Captain America movies.) And people can trash the X-Men movies, but at least they feel different. There's a different vision behind them. And they're free from whatever the next MCU event film is. Their freedom also allows them to make movies like Deadpool and Logan, which would never fly in the MCU. Nobody loved Fantastic Four, but, at least, it was a different angle on superhero movies.

I just think it's cool when different people are allowed to make different types of movies. That's why it bugs me when everyone says that such and such property needs to go back to Marvel Studios. You would just get those characters in the same old bland, 3.5-star movies you've been watching for almost 10 years.

Team ups and crossovers are fun, but I don't thing they're a BETTER way of doing things. Just different. It's got pluses and minuses.

THIS is the core of my argument, right here, thank you for stating it more simply than I could.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Okay, all I said was I didn't care for a type of interconnected film presentation, and I've got hostility from 2 or 3 people. Sorry I don't care for the way the big interconnected movie universes are handled by Hollywood. Okay, maybe I should've stated my opinion with a little less frustration, but yeesh.

[myconius]

i really don't like that this Cinematic universe has become such a huge fad!

i feel that the new Spider-man will suffer creatively from forcing it into the MCU.

at least the creators of Deadpool didn't shoehorn their film in with that mess of X-men films.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Wrong, I was not seeking validation, I just wondered if anyone shared my opinion. I need no validation for my stance on things, I merely wondered other people stance. I am not coming on here trying to stir up trouble of any kind, though I admit I may have been venting a bit on how interconnected everything is. I don't understand hostility just because I don't like something so insignificant.

"I HATE THING" is different than "I don't really like thing; here's why". The first way is how this thread began before you edited it and that's why you got some hostility, so don't pretend otherwise.

And Jesus Christ, multi-quote, man.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Cure

"I HATE THING" is different than "I don't really like thing; here's why". The first way is how this thread began before you edited it and that's why you got some hostility, so don't pretend otherwise.

And Jesus Christ, multi-quote, man.

No one's pretending anything. That's why I changed it at your suggestion, I let my frustration seep into my post, so I corrected it.

And sorry about the multi-post quote, I'll try to make this work, oy.